Steve Cooper SACKED! OFFICIAL!

[filbertway]

The air feels a little cleaner, the world a little brighter, the birds a little chirpier. 

 

People talking about the squad like they're a rag tag bunch of championship players that put together a good run of form. It was a mid table Premier League squad that got relegated due to persistently playing a conference north goalkeeper and a narcissistic manager happy to tank the club.

 

We could do with a few additions but we should comfortably be looking to to finish at the top end of the bottom 8.

 

As it stands, we're about to enter an unbelievably tricky period and we're hurtling towards the relegation zone with no brakes.

 

On one hand I'm impressed the club have acted. But to have wasted 2 weeks and then sack the manager after losing to one of the best teams in the league is par for the course for course for the leadership at the club. There's not a strategic braincell between them.

[Ricey]

3 hours ago, Clever Fox said:

I feel sorry for the Club because they were blindsided by Enzo's departure to Chelsea.

With the season 2 weeks away they were paniced into appointing someone. Cooper was never near the right appointment.

 

Now I hope they either have somone lined up to take over or take there time to make the right appointment.

Even if that means placing somone of the senior players temporily in charge.

People like Vardy, Coady, Vesty have been around long enough to know whats required.

 

The most important thing now is to get the Appointment right. 

Maresca was appointed at Chelsea on the 4th June, so that's over 10 weeks before the start of the season. Don't feel sorry for the club.

[baldeagle]

Shocking really 

[foxile5]

9 minutes ago, baldeagle said:

Shocking really 

Yet there will be people ready to stand up and say we've acted early.

[Golden Fox]

48 minutes ago, filbertway said:

It was a mid table Premier League squad that got relegated due to persistently playing a conference north goalkeeper and a narcissistic manager happy to tank the club.

Worth looking at that relegation team again. I've gone with total appearances - whether subs or not, and this is a list of the 15 players who played in at least half the games that relegation season.

 

Of the 15, only 6 remain: Daka and Ward, who nobody wants & can't get near the pitch this year with 1 sub appearance between them, so there are only 4 players who are still contributing.

 

Premier League Appearances in 22/23

 

 

Out of those matches: players gone = 59%, Ward & Daka = 13%. Still contributing - 28%.

 

This squad that got relegated got asset stripped. Nobody was willing to pay up for Soumare who has only just re-emerged, but you are looking at an older Vardy, Ndidi and Faes as the only real survivors of that season. This is not a defence of Cooper (if anything, it is praise for Maresca for doing what he did with what he inherited), but just that comparisons to the squad we had in the Premier League last time round are a bit redundant at this point.

Edited 25 November 2024 by Golden Fox

[DJW1]

Perhaps Cooper will go back to Forest, as their new "Referees Critic"/"Whinger" or whatever Clattenburg´s job title was. Or he could join the VAR crew at Burton since he´s the leading expert on football laws.

[filbertway]

7 minutes ago, Golden Fox said:

Worth looking at that relegation team again. I've gone with total appearances - whether subs or not, and this is a list of the 15 players who played in at least half the games that relegation season.

 

Of the 15, only 6 remain: Daka and Ward, who nobody wants & can't get near the pitch this year with 1 sub appearance between them, so there are only 4 players who are still contributing.

 

Premier League Appearances in 22/23

 

 

Out of those matches: players gone = 59%, Ward & Daka = 13%. Still contributing - 28%.

 

This squad that got relegated got asset stripped. Nobody was willing to pay up for Soumare who has only just re-emerged, but you are looking at an older Vardy, Ndidi and Faes as the only real survivors of that season. This is not a defence of Cooper (if anything, it is praise for Maresca for doing what he did with what he inherited), but just that comparisons to the squad we had in the Premier League last time round are a bit redundant at this point.

Youri, Maddison Barnes are the type of players that pushed is on to be a top 5 team. I still think the remains and players we've added are more than good enough to finish mid-table in this league if given a decent manager.

 

Very fair points though ^^ 

Replacing Ward with Hermansen alone is a massive boost.

 

Buonannotte is clearly destined to be a top 6 player. Bilal looks tidy if unproven.

 

Winks and Skipp have been part of a Spurs squad that has been in and around the top 6 consistently.

 

We're not some perennial championship team that's got to make up massive amounts of ground. We've got a very decent base that I'd expect a decent manager to get a tune out of.

[foxesfan98]

I've seen a lot of neutrals saying this is a terrible decision following it up by saying 'they'd be better off playing shit and staying up than playing nice football and going down'.

 

Why do people think those seem to be the only two options? Is it that unbelievable that a newly promoted team can play football that the fans can actually get behind and do well? Leeds, Wolves, Brentford & Fulham all did well in their first seasons in recent years with similar quality squads than we have now. Last season showed that these players are capable of it so don't see why they can't do it in the prem where there are some awful teams this season.

[filbertway]

8 minutes ago, foxesfan98 said:

I've seen a lot of neutrals saying this is a terrible decision following it up by saying 'they'd be better off playing shit and staying up than playing nice football and going down'.

 

Why do people think those seem to be the only two options? Is it that unbelievable that a newly promoted team can play football that the fans can actually get behind and do well? Leeds, Wolves, Brentford & Fulham all did well in their first seasons in recent years with similar quality squads than we have now. Last season showed that these players are capable of it so don't see why they can't do it in the prem where there are some awful teams this season.

Haha yep...

 

Under Cooper we weren't playing any football, be it ugly or nice. The players out there were given a general position and then generally, once we were losing they'd play on instinct and rescure the game.

[Beechey]

10 minutes ago, foxesfan98 said:

I've seen a lot of neutrals saying this is a terrible decision following it up by saying 'they'd be better off playing shit and staying up than playing nice football and going down'.

 

Why do people think those seem to be the only two options? Is it that unbelievable that a newly promoted team can play football that the fans can actually get behind and do well? Leeds, Wolves, Brentford & Fulham all did well in their first seasons in recent years with similar quality squads than we have now. Last season showed that these players are capable of it so don't see why they can't do it in the prem where there are some awful teams this season.

Especially since we were playing horrendous football and still losing, while conceding lots. It's not like we'd been solid defensively, we've conceded almost 2 goals per game. You're not likely to stay up while conceding 70-80 goals over a season.

Edited 25 November 2024 by Beechey

[Foxin_Mad]

its more the point we had no tactics:

 

If we play defensive and it works I don't mind

If we go gung ho attack and lose I don't mind

If we play hoofball and it works I don't mind

If the players give 100% and we lose to a genuinely better team I don't mind

 

The big issue is we are seeing no coherence one way or another. If we are genuinely not good enough fine, but if we go down giving it a go I no one will mind. The whole thing under Cooper just felt half assed. To be honest if the players had been giving 100% each game the style wouldn't bother me. I dont think we are the worst side in the division, but everything was Meh, even when we won we barely deserved it. 

 

The team just didnt seem to know what they needed to do. It seems this group need a strong manager who has a clear direction in mind.

 

I dont actually think West Ham under Moyes were ever that bad to watch, just West Ham fans are idiots. At least you can see what he is trying to achieve. 

[foxesfan98]

12 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

its more the point we had no tactics:

 

If we play defensive and it works I don't mind

If we go gung ho attack and lose I don't mind

If we play hoofball and it works I don't mind

If the players give 100% and we lose to a genuinely better team I don't mind

 

The big issue is we are seeing no coherence one way or another. If we are genuinely not good enough fine, but if we go down giving it a go I no one will mind. The whole thing under Cooper just felt half assed. To be honest if the players had been giving 100% each game the style wouldn't bother me. I dont think we are the worst side in the division, but everything was Meh, even when we won we barely deserved it. 

 

The team just didnt seem to know what they needed to do. It seems this group need a strong manager who has a clear direction in mind.

 

I dont actually think West Ham under Moyes were ever that bad to watch, just West Ham fans are idiots. At least you can see what he is trying to achieve. 

Exactly, the only time this season that we looked like we had a plan was the first half against Forest when we played Enzoball with Ricardo inverting. Even then Cooper abandoned it after an hour and just started throwing on attackers randomly hoping we might fluke a goal.

[KP Fox]

3 hours ago, filbertway said:

The air feels a little cleaner, the world a little brighter, the birds a little chirpier. 

 

People talking about the squad like they're a rag tag bunch of championship players that put together a good run of form. It was a mid table Premier League squad that got relegated due to persistently playing a conference north goalkeeper and a narcissistic manager happy to tank the club.

 

We could do with a few additions but we should comfortably be looking to to finish at the top end of the bottom 8.

 

As it stands, we're about to enter an unbelievably tricky period and we're hurtling towards the relegation zone with no brakes.

 

On one hand I'm impressed the club have acted. But to have wasted 2 weeks and then sack the manager after losing to one of the best teams in the league is par for the course for course for the leadership at the club. There's not a strategic braincell between them.

Might not have "a braincell between them" but they delivered Nigel Pearson,  Vardy, Mahrez, Promotion, Albrighton, Huth, The great escape, Shinji, Fuchs, Ngolo Kante, THE PREMIER LEAGUE TITLE, Champions league quarter finals, Maguire, Madderson, Fofana, THE FA CUP TROPHY, COMMUNITY SHIELD TROPHY, 2 fifth premiership places, more European football,  Promotion again - and for all that I will be eternally grateful for the joy that they gave this 65 year old man. and I will take any pain that these "brainless leaders" serve up to me for the rest of my life! 💙🦊🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆

[filbertway]

13 minutes ago, KP Fox said:

Might not have "a braincell between them" but they delivered Nigel Pearson,  Vardy, Mahrez, Promotion, Albrighton, Huth, The great escape, Shinji, Fuchs, Ngolo Kante, THE PREMIER LEAGUE TITLE, Champions league quarter finals, Maguire, Madderson, Fofana, THE FA CUP TROPHY, COMMUNITY SHIELD TROPHY, 2 fifth premiership places, more European football,  Promotion again - and for all that I will be eternally grateful for the joy that they gave this 65 year old man. and I will take any pain that these "brainless leaders" serve up to me for the rest of my life! 💙🦊🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆

 

If that logic makes you happy then who am I to argue

 

 

[FLAN]

Just heard Tanner on the totally football podcast. Zero inside knowledge 

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

7 minutes ago, FLAN said:

Just heard Tanner on the totally football podcast. Zero inside knowledge 

 

Yeah he chatted out of his arse on that, said the reason no one liked Cooper was because of his Forest connections and that performances had picked up.

 

This man is a journalist who gets paid to write about football, specifically us ffs.

[urban fox]

All these so called experts and pundits saying we acted hastily etc. After only 12 games. FFS we are a third of the way through the season with 10pts. Extrapolate that over a season and we are looking at 30pts, which is relegation. That doesn't take into account we have had a relatively easy fixture list.

[when_you're_smiling]

2 hours ago, filbertway said:

Youri, Maddison Barnes are the type of players that pushed is on to be a top 5 team. I still think the remains and players we've added are more than good enough to finish mid-table in this league if given a decent manager.

 

Very fair points though ^^ 

Replacing Ward with Hermansen alone is a massive boost.

 

Buonannotte is clearly destined to be a top 6 player. Bilal looks tidy if unproven.

 

Winks and Skipp have been part of a Spurs squad that has been in and around the top 6 consistently.

 

We're not some perennial championship team that's got to make up massive amounts of ground. We've got a very decent base that I'd expect a decent manager to get a tune out of.

You’re right to a point, but bar Okoli and Ward it’s the same defence and it was the defence that was the reason we got relegated. That relegation led to the attacking talent being stripped.

 

Mads is already showing he’s making a big difference thankfully. The rest of the defence  probably speaks for itself to be honest and is part of the reason Mads has had to stand out so far. 

[LeePhilpottsBaldSpot]

Sorry if this has already been covered!

 

Have any players posted anything on social media? 

 

Could be they've been asked not to and they'll all just post similar messages in a few days. But you'd have thought somebody would have posted something by now... unless they all hated him!

[ClaphamFox]

4 minutes ago, LeePhilpottsBaldSpot said:

Sorry if this has already been covered!

 

Have any players posted anything on social media? 

 

Could be they've been asked not to and they'll all just post similar messages in a few days. But you'd have thought somebody would have posted something by now... unless they all hated him!

Total radio silence from the players as far as I can tell...

[ealingfox]

21 minutes ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

Yeah he chatted out of his arse on that, said the reason no one liked Cooper was because of his Forest connections and that performances had picked up.

 

This man is a journalist who gets paid to write about football, specifically us ffs.

 

How had performances picked up the bald fraud, Man United was the worst of the lot

[RonnieTodger]

46 minutes ago, KP Fox said:

Might not have "a braincell between them" but they delivered Nigel Pearson,  Vardy, Mahrez, Promotion, Albrighton, Huth, The great escape, Shinji, Fuchs, Ngolo Kante, THE PREMIER LEAGUE TITLE, Champions league quarter finals, Maguire, Madderson, Fofana, THE FA CUP TROPHY, COMMUNITY SHIELD TROPHY, 2 fifth premiership places, more European football,  Promotion again - and for all that I will be eternally grateful for the joy that they gave this 65 year old man. and I will take any pain that these "brainless leaders" serve up to me for the rest of my life! 💙🦊🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆

You surprise me, with that username

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

Just now, ealingfox said:

 

How had performances picked up the bald fraud, Man United was the worst of the lot

 

Rob Tanner more like Bob Spanner if you ask me

[Sol thewall Bamba]

22 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

Would just like to point out that the article there describes Rudkin as all powerful. 
 

Worth remembering for those whom think he’s role is minor 

Yes but how do we know this FOR SURE. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

1 minute ago, RonnieTodger said:

You surprise me, with that username

Remember the backlash a few years ago when the "KPFC" thing first started to come out? There are genuinely people who place a duty free monopoly in a country they've never been to above the club ahah