Next Manager

[Ashley]

16 minutes ago, Quorn_fox said:

One thing that I don’t quite understand about RVN’s coaching career is that he’s 48 and has managed less than 100 competitive games. He spent donkeys years coaching the PSV youth sides. Usually an ambitious coach (especially with a profile like his) are testing themselves at a higher level right from the off.

See this is where I think you're wrong and others. 

 

Hear me out, Lampard, Rooney and Gerrard all went for it pretty much straight away and failed. 

 

Ruud has a way of playing and an identity. Especially with trusting and bringing youth through the systems. 

 

Plenty a manager have taken their time then gone into management. I think that's why we fail in this country to produce good managers and coaches. 

 

Coach badge costs have alot to do with the latter but that's another conversation. 

[Nolucklcfc]

2 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

Corberan grinding his way to another 0-0 with just 2 attempts at goal. Not for me.

Tbf a point at Sunderland this season is a cracking result 

[MGLCFC]

Be interesting to see how the players respond if it is RVN

[The_77]

RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUD

[Kitchandro]

29 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

I don’t think it’s like a nepo baby getting an acting job though. 

 

With football, a big player, one tends to understand the game better. A winner knows the right way a dressing room should be and the standards required. They often have a strong tactical knowledge as that’s what helped them get to the top of the game.

 

They walk in to a room and players respect them and their ideas and they can attract people.  Yes he hasn’t proved himself yet but if he had, he wouldn’t consider us. 

 

PSV are a huge club and if they were willing to give him a try than we are in good company. He looked the real deal at times there but it turned out it was a big job too soon, but i think he has the talent. 

Sorry but I don’t agree with a lot of this. History has proven that former players don’t necessarily have good tactical understanding - most managers are rubbish (very few are consistently good over a long period) and most managers are ex-players. I think you can get as much tactical knowledge just by watching football and having some critical thinking and analytical skills. It’s not a complicated game and the most common flaw of managers is trying to make it look like it is without any broad principles to inform their decision making.

 

Also, football players are often not even interested in football and it’s history. These days it attracts kids who may like playing but they aren’t necessarily football fans. A lot of our players won’t even remember watching Van Nistelrooy in his prime and even if they did, and even if for some reason that automatically led to them respecting him as a manager, he could still lose that very quickly if he doesn’t have the people skills.

 

I agree that being a ‘winner’ is a bonus but you can still have this personality and have only played for an average club because you had no pace.

 

In other words, I don’t think it matters a jot whether you were successful as a player or not. Fergie, Wenger and Klopp weren’t world class players. Football clubs should be vetting managers on how they explain and justify their tactical philosophy, and what sort of personality they have. When all the fuss has died down those are the only things that are going to matter.

I don’t care if I’ve never heard of them but Top and co are only interested in people they have heard of and seemingly want to do as little scouting as possible.

[Pliskin]

RVN credentials were better than Enzo’s when he arrived…. Also better than Coopers…. And no one had an issues with either of them joining initially. 

 

I would argue he’s ready now for a new challenge…. He’s proven that he is a more than capable manager, and is very tactically astute….. he’s an advocaat (pun intended). Of youth players…. 
 

He doesn’t lack experience, he’s had a couple of top jobs and has done really well. He’s also got bags of coaching experience. 

 

He’s an upgrade on Cooper that’s for sure, and isn’t that the point?

Edited 26 November 2024 by Pliskin

[justfoxes]

2 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

He's been promoted to Inductions Officer for new recruits. First thing he has to do is teach van der Sar how to use the fax machine.

And kids will say “ WHAT’S A FAX MACHINE ??) 😉😂

[Countesthorpe Fox 1884 12]

Just now, Pliskin said:

RVN credentials were better than Enzo’s when he arrived…. Also better than Coopers…. And no one had an issues with either of them joining initially. 

 

I would argue he’s ready now for a new challenge…. He’s proven that he is a more than capable manager, and is very tactically astute….. he’s an advocaat (pun intended). Of youth players…. 
 

He doesn’t lack experience, he’s had a couple of top jobs and has done really well. He’s also got bags of coaching experience. 

 

He’s an upgrade on Cooper that’s for sure, and isn’t that the point?

Sorry how were his credentials better than Cooper?

[STUHILL]

1 minute ago, Pliskin said:

Coopers…. And no one had an issues with either of them joining initially

Were you on here when Cooper was appointed? 

[john ridley]

They'd be people  for and against whoever we get ,let's enjoy the ride if it's him ,it'll be  a roller coaster ride for sure.

[niyaminski]

2 minutes ago, justfoxes said:

And kids will say “ WHAT’S A FAX MACHINE ??) 😉😂

What’s a FAX machine?

[Weller Wing]

4 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

RVN credentials were better than Enzo’s when he arrived…. Also better than Coopers…. And no one had an issues with either of them joining initially. 

 

I would argue he’s ready now for a new challenge…. He’s proven that he is a more than capable manager, and is very tactically astute….. he’s an advocaat (pun intended). Of youth players…. 
 

He doesn’t lack experience, he’s had a couple of top jobs and has done really well. He’s also got bags of coaching experience. 

 

He’s an upgrade on Cooper that’s for sure, and isn’t that the point?

If he's anything like Advocaat then if things start well , it could snowball from there

[Tielemans63]

If we can hold out for another week, then Pep might be available 

[Spiritwalker]

3 minutes ago, STUHILL said:

Were you on here when Cooper was appointed? 

Yeah my reaction to Coopers appointment was “ that’s fckin grim”.

[Wymsey]

1 minute ago, Tielemans63 said:

If we can hold out for another week, then Pep might be available 

Not Gus Hiddink for the rest of the season?..

[Lambert09]

54 minutes ago, Sooper Steve's shin said:

Sorry, I don’t agree. Being a good coach and a good manager of people requires much more than knowing how a good dressing room feels. Great players don’t always have great tactical nous, they’ve generally been the best and that probably more often counters a lack of normal tactical awareness. It’s a generalization, but I think it’s a more valid one than suggesting they are all tactical geniuses (or capable of transferring any of their genius to other people). 

my point is that there is more chance of someone being successful as a manager if they have that background than none at all. 

 

Xavi alonso’s career took him to top clubs around the world. He obviously has the right mind for it but if his experience had been all at hartlepool, i doubt he would be as good. 

Edited 26 November 2024 by Lambert09

[Ric Flair]

I get why fans want a more proven manager, but what you also get with a proven manager is a catalogue of failures (unless you're a very attractive proposition) and repeat pattern behaviour of sticking with the same principles that got them the sack before.

 

But going for a manager with minimal 1st team managerial experience is a punt that you're relying on high reward from high risk. The rewards though can be massive and as fans it's unlikely we truly know whether such a manager is destined to do so, where as a robust recruitment process from an effective sporting director and board should be able to tap in to that.

 

There's plenty of examples either way of such appointments that go astonishingly well and utterly wrong but I see precious little evidence of better success rate going for the types of proven manager we could attract.

[The Doctor]

6 hours ago, Clever Fox said:

Ruud would also be in a great position for loaning  a few of the UTD academy players.

we're allowed two PL loanees. To get in a single one we'd have to send Edouard back if we have the option to

[Pliskin]

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

I get why fans want a more proven manager, but what you also get with a proven manager is a catalogue of failures (unless you're a very attractive proposition) and repeat pattern behaviour of sticking with the same principles that got them the sack before.

 

But going for a manager with minimal 1st team managerial experience is a punt that you're relying on high reward from high risk. The rewards though can be massive and as fans it's unlikely we truly know whether such a manager is destined to do so, where as a robust recruitment process from an effective sporting director and board should be able to tap in to that.

 

There's plenty of examples either way of such appointments that go astonishingly well and utterly wrong but I see precious little evidence of better success rate going for the types of proven manager we could attract.

This.

 

And Jake put it beautifully on the pod, for anyone with any doubts get on the pod and listen to how he describes his feeling towards a new manager. Spot on. 

[The_77]

Peter knows

[Bilo]

2 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I get why fans want a more proven manager, but what you also get with a proven manager is a catalogue of failures (unless you're a very attractive proposition) and repeat pattern behaviour of sticking with the same principles that got them the sack before.

 

But going for a manager with minimal 1st team managerial experience is a punt that you're relying on high reward from high risk. The rewards though can be massive and as fans it's unlikely we truly know whether such a manager is destined to do so, where as a robust recruitment process from an effective sporting director and board should be able to tap in to that.

 

There's plenty of examples either way of such appointments that go astonishingly well and utterly wrong but I see precious little evidence of better success rate going for the types of proven manager we could attract.

I'll admit that I thought Iraola was going to flop at Bournemouth as a total unknown with no PL experience and three years at a fairly unfashionable Spanish club, but he's done a belting job there.

[urban.spaceman]

13 minutes ago, Countesthorpe Fox 1884 12 said:

Sorry how were his credentials better than Cooper?

He's not Cooper, which is a massive plus.

[Stadt]

2 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

we're allowed two PL loanees. To get in a single one we'd have to send Edouard back if we have the option to

I’d do that even if we didn’t get another loan in. Sack of shit, I’m embarrassed we even pay a percentage of his wages 

[Pliskin]

20 minutes ago, Ashley said:

See this is where I think you're wrong and others. 

 

Hear me out, Lampard, Rooney and Gerrard all went for it pretty much straight away and failed. 

 

Ruud has a way of playing and an identity. Especially with trusting and bringing youth through the systems. 

 

Plenty a manager have taken their time then gone into management. I think that's why we fail in this country to produce good managers and coaches. 

 

Coach badge costs have alot to do with the latter but that's another conversation. 

People are overlooking his experience as a coach…. For which he has a lot of experience, working at a high level. 

[EnderbyFox]

Cooper is an experienced manager who has survived a relegation scrap before but I'd rather chew my own foot off than have him back. Who gives a shit about credentials when your gaffa looks like this