Ruud awakening for the Premier League!

[Saxondale]

Leicester fans now: “Great appointment”

 

Leicester fans as soon as we go two without a win: “Such negative football”

 

”He’s got no Plan B”

 

”I’m tired of Ruud-ball”

 

[CrazyKopCorner]

28 minutes ago, Saxondale said:

Leicester fans now: “Great appointment”

 

Leicester fans as soon as we go two without a win: “Such negative football”

 

”He’s got no Plan B”

 

”I’m tired of Ruud-ball”

 

FM wait until 5pm this Saturday will ya before slaughtering the bloke 

[CrazyKopCorner]

7 hours ago, Happy Fox said:

Ruud dancing after we win the FA Cup this season 

Even when he's larking about he's fuching cool. 

 

Dude Ruud

 

I'm not sure about this one but fuch me it's lit up a pretty shambolic season 

 

A message to you Ruudi 

Edited 28 November 2024 by CrazyKopCorner

[Mr.Bingles]

 

[Mr.Bingles]

Chuffed with RVN, feels like the same kind of appointment as Enzo. Young, hungry manager, wants to prove himself. Time will tell. Ruskin and Top better back him and give him the dosh he needs to bring in some defensive steel in January. And maybe a few Dutch wonder kids. 

[Raj]

Flavour of the month atm.

Wonder if he would have been on anyone's radar had he not had a few games in charge of man u?

[ClaphamFox]

2 minutes ago, Raj said:

Flavour of the month atm.

Wonder if he would have been on anyone's radar had he not had a few games in charge of man u?

He was a candidate in 2023 before we appointed Maresca, so he was definitely on the club’s radar. I’m not sure his few games at Man Utd had any influence on the decision. 

[Costello]

That new manager bounce needs to be stratospheric ! I'm interested to see how he takes this squad and makes them better. 

[fox_favourite]

I do have my reservations about Ruud. Not sure he'll have enough to keep us up. But saying that when Cooper was appointed, I wasn't impressed at all.

 

I'll back him and give him time, and hopefully he can shift those reservations I have. The team around him is vitally important. I don't expect a Rooney/Lumpard/Gerrard type of failure, he has a lot more about him then that and gone the right way round about learning his trade. It's a big step for him as well. 

 

I'll get behind him and let's be positive this season. One thing I will say, he won't take people chatting back at him! 

 

Edited 28 November 2024 by fox_favourite

[SemperEadem]

Bolo Zenden is a shout for coming with him.

[FoxesWalk]

Wouldn’t have been my first choice, and feels like an unnecessary risk, but I’ll back him as I did Cooper…

[Elsie Effcee]

If you have the right image you can succeed regardless of what you do.  Ruud, like Enzo and Claudio has an attractive image imo

[sylofox]

25 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

 I’m not sure his few games at Man Utd had any influence on the decision. 

Rudkin " he's just beat us twice so that'll be 6pts in the bag"

 

Top " Jon you need to think about that a little bit longer"

 

Rudkin "Why?

[Robo61]

1 hour ago, Mr.Bingles said:

Chuffed with RVN, feels like the same kind of appointment as Enzo. Young, hungry manager, wants to prove himself. Time will tell. Ruskin and Top better back him and give him the dosh he needs to bring in some defensive steel in January. And maybe a few Dutch wonder kids. 

He's older than Cooper!!!,  The club are still very much limited by FFP, but as with all previous managers I am sure Top will provide the finance allowed. As you saytimewill tell.

[foxfanazer]

He's got two days to turn Faes in to prime Beckenbauer or he's out

[Pliskin]

9 hours ago, Bilo said:

The Premier League experience argument is something of a red herring. Look at the current managers before taking up their current post.

 

Arteta - None as manager.

Emery- PL experience prior to Villa was a dire spell at Arsenal.

Iraola - No PL experience.

Frank - No PL experience.

Hurzeler - No PL experience.

Maresca - No PL experience.

Glasner- No PL experience.

Dyche - PL experience at Burnley.

Silva - Relegated once and sacked twice in PL.

McKenna - No PL experience.

Slot - No PL experience.

Guardiola - No PL experience.

Howe - PL experience at Bournemouth.

NES - PL experience at Wolves and sacked by Tottenham.

Martin- No PL experience.

Postecoglou - No PL experience.

Lopetegui - PL experience at Wolves.

O'Neil - PL experience at Bournemouth.

 

 

 

This needs to be pinned.

[mozartfox]

Statue for Jon Van Ruudkin.

[Jazzy_Jeff]

5 hours ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

A little bit of tactical analysis for anyone interested on RVN, his style reminds me very much of elements of Maresca's side but with more midfield stability defensively as well as a willingness to go direct if needed. 

 

RVN appears to prefer a 4-2-3-1 approach which turns into a 3-2-4-1 whilst on the ball.

 

The back line consisted of a wing back who when attacking joined the play as a winger, I would not be surprised if RVN eventually tries McAteer in this role (Should he have not got injured I could have very much seen RVN turning Fatawu into a right sided wingback) the other full back who tucks into a back 3 when on the ball, but also comfortable playing as a left back when defending. Remind you of anyone? 

 

RVN liked having a ball winning midfielder alongside someone who is tidy in possession and keeps the ball moving in a defensive midfield two. The roles of the midfield two are very rigid and do not allow much freedom going forward ensuring a defensive structure is present should you get hit on the counter attack. I think these roles suit perfectly for all of our current options in Wilf, Winks, Skipp and Hamza. 

 

The attacking midfielders consisted of an out and out winger who is responsible for keeping the width on that side, however, is expected to make diagonal run across the defender in behind the attack when in the final third. The other winger is expected to drift inside more centrally creating space for the wingback to join as a winger. The central attacking midfielder is then essentially allowed a roaming role ensuring that he finds pockets of space to be an outlet and create things moving forward or create space if being man marked allowing the inverted winger to find space in behind, similar to the role Madders often played for us.

 

The striker was used more as a target man, someone who can be used as a direct outlet should the oppositions press be effective rather than force the team to play unnecessarily. Should the build up play be fine, the target man has a role of linking up play in the build up, however, when in the final third is expected to be ready in the box to get on the end of crosses. 

 

Overall RVN likes to play a possession based style without being as obsessed like Maresca whilst putting a lot more empathises on not being hit on the counter attack with his rigid midfield two. He wants plenty of movement in the final third with plenty of runs in behind the defence by the wingers and striker (similar to how Liverpool use their wingers), however, if this is not available he likes to commit men into the box and create havoc with whipped crosses. Off the ball RVN likes to play with a high press, he wants both fullbacks to essentially man mark the opposition wingers regardless of how deep they come for the ball, allowing our front 4 to commit pressing the oppositions back line whilst not having to worry about marking space behind them, essentially a man to man press is expected from the fullbacks and defensive midfielders with the aim of keeping the opposition in their own half. One thing I found intriguing is should the fullback be successful in pinning the opposition back in the press, he is then allowed to continue pressing into the opposition back line knowing he has the stability with his defensive midfielders behind him essentially creating overloads in the press and if done correctly as a collective forcing the other team to go long. As referenced in the striker section, RVN does not force a build up play and if the opposition is committing men in their own press, he is happy to go with a direct ball to the target man, with the wingers being instructed to immediately make a run behind their defender, anticipating that the flick on will be won. This left PSV being unpredictable and made the opposition think twice prior to committing to many men forward over fear of being hit on a quick counter attack. Unlike Enzo's patient build up play RVN wants his possession based style to be played quickly in hope that the defensive structure is not set allowing the central attacking midfielder and inverted winger to find space in the pockets in the final third.

 

I am intrigued by RVN as it has the potential to be a faster more direct approach of Enzo ball, however, could also have a lot similarities to what Cooper was attempting to achieve. One thing that did become clear to me is that RVN style would require for us to sign an attacking wingback who's comfortable playing as a winger whilst having great work rate as well as a target man, interestingly two positions that was recently reported that we wanted to strengthen in the January transfer window. If money stretched a quick left footed centre back would also be important. 

 

With our current squad I would expect us to look like this until the January window, with either Faes or Okoli playing on the left side of defence and JJ joining as the winger whilst attacking, allowing Bounanotte to play his favoured role.

 

Mads

 

JJ,   Faes/Okoli,   Vesty,  Faes/Okoli

 

Wilf,  Winks

 

Bounanotte, Bilal, Mavididi 

 

Vardy

 

If he plays this way with us, we will need a new RB, centre back, left winger and striker.

 

Would be surprised is Soumare isn’t the “tidy” player in centre mid, played very well against Utd in both games Ruud managed.

 

Great post 👍

Edited 28 November 2024 by Jazzy_Jeff

[Jimbo]

If/when we go down, I just want to see us trying and making an effort to avoid it.

 

The year before we won the league, the great escape season, I'd accepted that we were going down on boxing day. We lost to Spurs, it took me about 3 hours to get home because of the snow and all the way home I couldn't help thinking that we were going down. We played so well, and had been playing decent all season long, but just couldn't get a win. We deserved at least a point from that game, we probably deserved the win, but we kept losing while playing well, and I was fine with it, because we were giving a decent account of ourselves.

 

Of course, expectations have changed since the, but that's all I want, play decent and make an effort. If we go down while doing that then we just have to accept that our best wasn't good enough.

 

But that's all I want and I saw hardly any of that from us under Cooper. It's like he set us up to draw 0-0 every game and hope for a lucky bounce during a set piece.

 

If Ruud can get something out of this team, some effort, some "pashun", some grit then I'll be happy enough. I do genuinely believe that this squad of players is well capable of finishing 12th-14th but we've not seen anything from them to suggest that we're up for it. He needs to unlock whatever it was holding them back under Cooper, it's quite apparent that at least the majority never bought in to Cooper, seeing how he set us up makes it hard to argue against them (player power is another argument for another day) but hopefully the aura around someone like Ruud makes them instantly sit up and listen.

 

It's a risk, but out of the names that have been mentioned the only one I'd have probably had over him is Moyes. 

Edited 28 November 2024 by Jimbo

[fox_favourite]

15 minutes ago, mozartfox said:

Statue for Jon Van Ruudkin.

I'm thinking more P45 

[Guest worth_the_wait]

As lots of others have said, the appointment is a gamble, buy hopefully it works out.  

 

Just one thing ...

 

When our new manager picks players we don't rate, or the team doesn't start the game as well as we'd hoped, or we can't quite understand what the tactical formation is, or he makes a few weird substitutions (or not at all), or players make individual mistakes leading to us conceding goals ... I just hope us fans give the new manager the support and patience he deserves.  Because I think he's going to need it.  

 

I don't think our squad is as quite good as some people make out.   We've got long term injuries to Perreira and Fatawu.  37 year old Vardy is one bad tackle away from being crocked.   We're just above the relegation places, but Ipswich and Wolves look like they're picking up.  Palace and Everton are grizzled old teams use to fighting relegation.  We're in a real relegation fight, and always were.  

 

And some of our players need to give their heads a wobble as they still seem to be worshiping the ground Maresca walked on, even though he Foxtrot Oscar'd off as soon as you could say "Chelsea money".  

 

Anyway, onwards and upwards.  Bring on the Brentford!
 

[SpacedX]

Whilst the new manager bounce back is possible, it will take time to adapt and to engender a workable system during training and tactics on field that were sorely lacking. There will inevitably be losses at which point the usual suspects in the match threads will immediately turn on the new manager, the usual vitriol and negativity re-emerges and the "get out of my club" merchants will already have their pitchforks primed before a ball has been kicked in anger. 

 

We appointed him not because of his short spell at PSV Eindhoven in which he won the Dutch cup, but his potential...and, the lack of compensation made him a very attractive prospect right now. Perhaps one of the reasons that he wasn't really in the running at United was that the memory of Solskjær still looms large. My hope is that the man who recently presided over putting seven goals past us in under a fortnight at least appreciates our defensive frailty and how to fix it whilst ushering in an optimistic and fluid attacking brand of football that we all crave. 

Edited 28 November 2024 by SpacedX

[brookfox]

Feels like we’ve left an unhappy marriage for the hottie in accounts that we snogged at the Christmas party. She’s a bit of a looker and seems fun, but you have a niggling doubt why an attractive woman in her 30s has never had a serious relationship.

[Realist Guy In The Room]

2 minutes ago, brookfox said:

Feels like we’ve left an unhappy marriage for the hottie in accounts that we snogged at the Christmas party. She’s a bit of a looker and seems fun, but you have a niggling doubt why an attractive woman in her 30s has never had a serious relationship.

Yeah but you’re mostly happy you’re gonna get a few months of some proper fanny.

[whoareyaaa]

Across the 2022-23 campaign, Van Nistelrooy favoured a 4-3-3 formation that looked to build the ball up slowly from the back and in central areas, before hitting direct balls to the wingers. 

 

Van Nistelrooy is known for his tactical flexibility, favouring formations such as 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1. His teams aim to dominate possession with compact structures, effective pressing, and a focus on control in the central areas.