Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[leicesterseddon]

The constant moan of the modern manager is that they can only improve the team by buying new players.

 

What about coaching the players we already have, so they become better? Or giving a chance to younger prospects?

 

Or pursuing a tactical strategy that reflects the strengths/weaknesses of the current team?

 

And if they aren't doing any of these things, can they really call themselves a manager at all?

 

[Paninistickers]

11 minutes ago, leicesterseddon said:

The constant moan of the modern manager is that they can only improve the team by buying new players.

 

What about coaching the players we already have, so they become better? Or giving a chance to younger prospects?

 

Or pursuing a tactical strategy that reflects the strengths/weaknesses of the current team?

 

And if they aren't doing any of these things, can they really call themselves a manager at all?

 

A lost art. 

 

Best recent example is Eddie Howe who got Newcastle booting and hoofing their way to safety....and then transitioned the  seamlessly into what they are now..

 

Needs must sometimes 

[lcfc sheff]

I hope whilst we’ve realised we couldn’t afford the players we want at the moment; that we’ve looked into our two potential futures and identified some targets with Ruud’s blessing. Back the manager regardless of the division. We can’t keep signing players that only suit one managers play style and then just sack him 

[Sunbury Fox]

39 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

A lost art. 

 

Best recent example is Eddie Howe who got Newcastle booting and hoofing their way to safety....and then transitioned the  seamlessly into what they are now..

 

Needs must sometimes 

Have to say that I'm hugely impressed by Howe. Yes, he's had money to spend, but he's also improved so many players who were looking as bad under Bruce as ours do now eg Murphy, Longstaff, Schär, etc. Last night he showed it is possible to change shape to suit the occasion and be successful, rather than doing the same thing over and over like Ruud has been doing. 

[HoustonFox]

7 hours ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

It's been a tough old start for Ruud and we're no better off in any way really. Fantasies of playing better football and bringing in players from man u and Holland never materialised and I'd say he seems pretty clueless as to what to do next.

 

 

 

Is this based on like for like opponents? 

[Grebfromgrebland]

No

[filbertway]

The best thing Howe did was realising that Steve Bruce had been playing a CM up front.

 

Best improvement i've seen since someone realised that Kisnorbo was a CB and not a CM

 

[HoustonFox]

6 hours ago, Lako42 said:

Our stats have been terrible all season.

 

After 10 games we were bottom of XGA and XGF but were somehow managing to paper over the massive cracks. 

 

It was only a matter of time until those stats heavily impacted results and they have done for a long time now. 

Totally agree. Nearly every point we got under Cooper felt like a robbery. Last min equalisers or winners, Mads consistently having worldies. Massively over achieved points vs expected points. But not in a way that was sustainable 
 

I think it stings more that we had such a great start under Ruud with the West Ham game and Brighton games and then the wheels came off spectacularly against Newcastle. Let’s not talk about that Wolves game ever again. 
 

Liverpool and Man City gave us false hope, Villa we should have got more.

 

QPR again was perhaps.. especially with the run of beatable opposition that followed. 
 

Pathetic against Palace (maybe I am being harsh but that was winnable!) and Fulham, with that Spurs match again false optimism. Everton game? 🤮

 

Sorry for walk down memory lane.
 

TLDR? Ruud > Cooper 

[Spudulike]

Limited transfer cash no surprise - Van Nistelrooy - https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cdxnpvxz594o

 

[Pliskin]

Hopefully, he will give the youngsters a go, and be forced into trying something different…… the fact we haven’t signed anyone could be a good thing if Ruud is up for it……….

 

 

[kingfox]

Understandable explanation regarding transfers, especially when it comes to only wanting players to improve the starting 11, but operating like that, you’re just restricting yourself even more especially with our budget. Adding the right quality was either going to be too expensive, or those types of players probably had zero interest in joining us because of our current situation. 
 

Still disappointing though that we didn’t get at least one loan in from abroad, surely we could’ve got someone better to improve our defence. 
 

With the budget we had, I’d rather we went for some upcoming talent in the £5-10 million range, at least then you’d be building for the future. 
 

Now it looks like Ruud will have to dip into the future any way, with academy products such as Monga and Evans. 

[deep blue]

Just now, ClaphamFox said:

In the press conference he basically said that there was a budget but that other clubs whacked their prices up, which made it impossible to bring any of our targets in. 

But surely if, say, they targetted 3 players then shouldn't the increase in prices have meant that they could just drop one of the targets thus making it affordable to still bring in the other 2?

[FLAN]

5 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

In the press conference he basically said that there was a budget but that other clubs whacked their prices up, which made it impossible to bring any of our targets in. 

Shows a complete lack of flexibility on our recruitment. Not being able to bring in a single player to improve the 11 is down to poor planning not funds. There would have been free agents or those on last 6 months available. Even European loads. We just weren’t prepared for all scenarios. How the manager can accept this is beyond me.

[FLAN]

Ps. Id  argue there are better equipped players in league one than Vestegard when it comes to athleticism and attitude. 

[deep blue]

Just now, Fox92 said:

Under Van Nistelrooy it's felt like step 10 then. We offer nothing in games and against teams around us. Only wins were also "lucky" because West Ham should have scored more than 1 and Spurs practically had their B team out.

 

There's a whole lot more than just Van Nistelrooy being "unwilling to change from a system that clearly isn't working". He picks the same formation and team every week then either leaves subs to late or makes the wrong ones. 

 

Pearson also believed in having experience within the squad. Although I don't want to bring up Pearson's name in the same sentence as these two managers.

I would phrase it slightly differently with Pearson - rather than "experience", I think it was "character" that was an important quality for him.  Our Prem-winning side had bags of it.

 

[Mickyblueeyes]

2 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

A lost art. 

 

Best recent example is Eddie Howe who got Newcastle booting and hoofing their way to safety....and then transitioned the  seamlessly into what they are now..

 

Needs must sometimes 

How much has Howe spent. He replaced long staff with bloody Bruno in the middle. Acquired Gordon. Signed Trippier. Signed Isak. Botman. Tonali. It’s been seamless because he has added some real expensive quality, These are top players. 
 

I get what you’re saying but Howe (who might be a good coach) but he has quite a bit of help! 

Edited 6 February by Mickyblueeyes

[Paninistickers]

1 minute ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

How much has Howe spent. He replaced long staff with bloody Bruno in the middle. Acquired Gordon. Signed Trippier. Signed Isak. Botman. Tonali. It’s been seamless because he has added some real expensive quality, These are top players. 
 

I get what you’re saying but Howe (who might be a good coach) but he has quite a bit of help! 

I was more referencing that when he joined, they hoofed kicked and shithoused their way to staying up. Proper ugly..

 

But after that initial phase, it gave him the platform to impose a different style. 

 

Basically point is, he works with what he's got. Unlike our fella and most other top flight managers 

[Bordersfox]

2 hours ago, Sunbury Fox said:

Have to say that I'm hugely impressed by Howe. Yes, he's had money to spend, but he's also improved so many players who were looking as bad under Bruce as ours do now eg Murphy, Longstaff, Schär, etc. Last night he showed it is possible to change shape to suit the occasion and be successful, rather than doing the same thing over and over like Ruud has been doing. 

One of the best managers currently operating in the league imo, along with Frank.  Not fashionable, not popular but doing a fine job and, whilst they've spent, they've not absolutely splurged because of PSR. 

 

Totally out managed Arteta over two legs in the Cup.  

 

Of course, having Isaak helps.  

[splinterdream]

I can't make my mind up with Ruud. I listen to him talk, and i can't help but feel he deserves to finish this season and beyond if he wants it. He seems committed to his credit despite getting zero support, and that deserves the fans to get behind him, my brain tells me he might need to improve on his homework though, with our tactics and that of the opposition

[Bordersfox]

9 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

How much has Howe spent. He replaced long staff with bloody Bruno in the middle. Acquired Gordon. Signed Trippier. Signed Isak. Botman. Tonali. It’s been seamless because he has added some real expensive quality, These are top players. 
 

I get what you’re saying but Howe (who might be a good coach) but he has quite a bit of help! 

Yeah take your point but loads of clubs spend and sh1t load and end up nowhere.   

Partly recruitment issues at those clubs but it requires both manager and recruitment to be right for success and Newcastle seem to have got it largely right.  

[Mickyblueeyes]

8 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

I was more referencing that when he joined, they hoofed kicked and shithoused their way to staying up. Proper ugly..

 

But after that initial phase, it gave him the platform to impose a different style. 

 

Basically point is, he works with what he's got. Unlike our fella and most other top flight managers 

 

Just now, Bordersfox said:

Yeah take your point but loads of clubs spend and sh1t load and end up nowhere.   

Partly recruitment issues at those clubs but it requires both manager and recruitment to be right for success and Newcastle seem to have got it largely right.  

Yeah I can accept both those points. I do think the number 1 criticism of RVN is so far he isn’t adapting despite the obvious shortcomings. I mean, I think his style would be fine with Maddison, Evans, Soyuncu and Tielemans (the good one not the fat lazy one). So not necessarily a seamless transition from Howe. One, guided by a very capable Dan Ashworth. 
 

[jim5000]

Statistically, Ruud is performing worse than Cooper at this point, although there's not much in it. Cooper also had more first team players available.

 

It might just be that the squad isn't good enough.

 

[ClaphamFox]

11 minutes ago, jim5000 said:

Statistically, Ruud is performing worse than Cooper at this point, although there's not much in it. Cooper also had more first team players available.

 

It might just be that the squad isn't good enough.

 

It isn't. A team with Faes and Vestergaard as its centre-half pairing isn't serious about staying up - especially when that team also provides little protection in midfield. Our spine is far too fragile. The signing of Okoli hasn't worked out, but that can happen sometimes - it only becomes a problem if you place too much faith in one player, which is exactly what we did. If we'd have spent the Skipp money on another central defender, we might not be in the position we're in.

Edited 7 February by ClaphamFox

[Sean321]

Is Ruud the problem or the board they put him in a very difficult situation he has Steve Coopers terrible players and the same back line as when we got relegated. And we had no more money to spend in the transfer market. But Ruud does keep trying the same thing again and again and expects different results. There is a very small chance we stay up.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

3 hours ago, jim5000 said:

Statistically, Ruud is performing worse than Cooper at this point, although there's not much in it. Cooper also had more first team players available.

 

It might just be that the squad isn't good enough.

 

These stats are completely worthless because Cooper had 4 key players available to him that RVN hasn't. That's almost half of our best XI out injured for basically the entirety of RVN's time.