Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[kenny]

3 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

Still 15 mins beats nothing right?
In my view we far easier to play against now.  Too predictable and trying to play in a way above our squad's quality level.

A slightly smaller turd in your mouth is absolutely better than a full size. No doubt.

[Chrysalis]

Just now, kenny said:

A slightly smaller turd in your mouth is absolutely better than a full size. No doubt.

The ppg, goals scored is a much smaller turd.  Cooper also was also getting more of a tune out of Vardy, I dont think slow build up's has ever been something Vardy has liked.

Edited 3 April by Chrysalis

[kenny]

1 minute ago, Chrysalis said:

The ppg, goals scored is a much smaller turd.  Cooper also was also getting more of a tune out of Vardy, I dont think slow build up's has ever been something Vardy has liked.

It was an unmanaged decline.

 

The longer the squad has spent away from Enzo's rigid system the worse it looks. We will never know, but I think RVN's record is similar to what Cooper would have achieved in that timeframe. Different ineptitude perhaps,but the same outcome. Its also clear that the squads attitude has declined throughout the year and I can't that it would have been different under Cooper either.

[Pliskin]

2 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

Because the EFL will have responsibility for overseeing our accounts next season and they’re even bigger ***** than the EPL?

Can they do that though? Is we sack him now?

[Chrysalis]

Enzo if he stayed we would have been fighting Southampton, the squad doesnt have the quality to play to his ideology in the EPL.  He struggled with it enough last season, only winning many games by one goal as we had the better quality squad for the full game.
Its sad to see so many still see him and his style of play as some kind of messiah.  Even Pep has admitted its flawed when your opponent stops fearing you.

[ClaphamFox]

1 minute ago, Pliskin said:

Can they do that though? Is we sack him now?

Yes. If we breach PSR for the current period, it will very likely fall upon the EFL to determine the punishment next season.

[Ricey]

I'd be shocked if there wasn't some kind of relegation break clause that both sides are counting down to days until.

[Guy]

4 hours ago, Crinklyfox said:

I agree but he won't do it for the simple reason that as such a massive failure he's unlikely to get another job.  His only hope is to hang on in there and if we do better in the Championship he won't look as bad.

Yes, I fear that is what is most likely to happen as things presently stand. He appears to be extraordinarily calm in post match interviews, all things considered and not at all flustered orshowing signs of feeling any pressure, unless he's just a fine actor. Moreover if there's not even any press/media talk or a hint of his being sacked being banded about (like there very much should be after losing 14/15 and having not scored in the league since January 26th!), then like many are starting to fear then it looks like he's going to be judged on next season now in the Championship (his first full one) if he's retained, not on this supposed "inherited Cooper's mess" wretched one!! 

[RowlattsFox]

7 minutes ago, Ricey said:

I'd be shocked if there wasn't some kind of relegation break clause that both sides are counting down to days until.

Has to be. Surely even our 'loyal' hierarchy can't see anything remotely positive about his time here. 

[RedSoxUK]

  

[LVFox]

32 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

Enzo if he stayed we would have been fighting Southampton, the squad doesnt have the quality to play to his ideology in the EPL.  He struggled with it enough last season, only winning many games by one goal as we had the better quality squad for the full game.
Its sad to see so many still see him and his style of play as some kind of messiah.  Even Pep has admitted its flawed when your opponent stops fearing you.

I actually really disagree on this, think the cup display at Bournemouth showed a more pragmatic side whilst still sticking to a style of play.

 

I think we'd have been very close to Wolves under Enzo

 

[teblin]

11 minutes ago, LVFox said:

I actually really disagree on this, think the cup display at Bournemouth showed a more pragmatic side whilst still sticking to a style of play.

 

I think we'd have been very close to Wolves under Enzo

 

Also, We'd have had the continuity of the manager and not just buying "experience" and instead people to fit a specific way of playing.

Edited 3 April by teblin

[RowlattsFox]

Enzo wouldn't have signed Ayew and Reid, that's for sure  

Although Reid was quite an early signing if I'm remembering right so maybe he was on the radar. Probably pushed Enzo to leave

 

I think we'd have started well under Enzo but been found out as the season progressed and probably still went down. 

[lcfcbluearmy]

18 minutes ago, LVFox said:

I actually really disagree on this, think the cup display at Bournemouth showed a more pragmatic side whilst still sticking to a style of play.

 

I think we'd have been very close to Wolves under Enzo

 

The fact that some people on here think Enzo would have done worse than Cooper or RVN shows there knowledge of football

[Lionator]

We’d have been still relegated under Cooper but I think it’s clear we wouldn’t be going through this current humiliation. 

[ClaphamFox]

5 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said:

Enzo wouldn't have signed Ayew and Reid, that's for sure  

Although Reid was quite an early signing if I'm remembering right so maybe he was on the radar. Probably pushed Enzo to leave

 

I think we'd have started well under Enzo but been found out as the season progressed and probably still went down. 

Indeed. This idea that Maresca would have just turned out to be an Italian Russell Martin has no basis in reality, but that doesn't stop people from mindlessly repeating it. Maresca is a far better and more pragmatic manager than Martin - there's no comparing them. If Maresca had stayed we'd likely have had a new DoF and other technical staff last summer, we'd have had a much better transfer window and would very likely have stayed up this season. His decision to leave for Chelsea threw us into a tailspin from which we still haven't recovered.

[Rusko187]

41 minutes ago, RedSoxUK said:

  

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Les-TA-Jon]

13 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Indeed. This idea that Maresca would have just turned out to be an Italian Russell Martin has no basis in reality, but that doesn't stop people from mindlessly repeating it. Maresca is a far better and more pragmatic manager than Martin - there's no comparing them. If Maresca had stayed we'd likely have had a new DoF and other technical staff last summer, we'd have had a much better transfer window and would very likely have stayed up this season. His decision to leave for Chelsea threw us into a tailspin from which we still haven't recovered.

Which in and of itself speaks volumes to the (lack of) strategic planning and nous at the club.

 

The manager should fit into the culture and strategy, not be the driving force of it. Otherwise, each managerial change (which for a club of our stature occurs every 12-24 months) runs the risk of upending the whole endeavour. 

[Chelmofox]

53 minutes ago, LVFox said:

I actually really disagree on this, think the cup display at Bournemouth showed a more pragmatic side whilst still sticking to a style of play.

 

I think we'd have been very close to Wolves under Enzo

 

There was more fight under Enzo, with the squad playing for him and really buying in to what he wanted to do.  

 

Even against Chelsea in the FA Cup last year we attacked and offered something. 

 

Right now, the team is playing for no one.  I dont think we would have capitulated so quickly. It would have been hard, but Enzo wouldn't have gone down staring at the pitch aimlessly for 90 minutes.

[ClaphamFox]

19 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Which in and of itself speaks volumes to the (lack of) strategic planning and nous at the club.

 

The manager should fit into the culture and strategy, not be the driving force of it. Otherwise, each managerial change (which for a club of our stature occurs every 12-24 months) runs the risk of upending the whole endeavour. 

100%. And after Enzo left, the two top names on our shortlist were Graham Potter and Steve Cooper - two completely different types of manager. If we'd have appointed Potter, we'd have gone in a completely different direction with transfers. The fact that our entire transfer policy hinged solely on whoever came in as manager does indeed speak volumes.

[Number 6]

Relegation clause makes more sense than PSR. 

 

Would be easy to navigate PSR by coming to some mutual agreement that he receives his wage for the remainder of the financial year, and then a lump sum in the new financial year as termination. PSR shouldn't be an issue here.

[Filbert Fireworks]

3 hours ago, kenny said:

It was an unmanaged decline.

 

The longer the squad has spent away from Enzo's rigid system the worse it looks. We will never know, but I think RVN's record is similar to what Cooper would have achieved in that timeframe. Different ineptitude perhaps,but the same outcome. Its also clear that the squads attitude has declined throughout the year and I can't that it would have been different under Cooper either.

No I have to diagree. We scored most games under cooper. The GD would be better. 

[Fox92]

1 hour ago, Chelmofox said:

There was more fight under Enzo, with the squad playing for him and really buying in to what he wanted to do.  

 

Even against Chelsea in the FA Cup last year we attacked and offered something. 

 

Right now, the team is playing for no one.  I dont think we would have capitulated so quickly. It would have been hard, but Enzo wouldn't have gone down staring at the pitch aimlessly for 90 minutes.

In some of the defeats we looked awful though. Bristol City and Plymouth stick out in my mind. We didn’t look bothered at Sheffield Wednesday either when we dropped points. I think some are blanking some of the bad parts of last season.

[Richmondfox]

2 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

Indeed. This idea that Maresca would have just turned out to be an Italian Russell Martin has no basis in reality, but that doesn't stop people from mindlessly repeating it. Maresca is a far better and more pragmatic manager than Martin - there's no comparing them. If Maresca had stayed we'd likely have had a new DoF and other technical staff last summer, we'd have had a much better transfer window and would very likely have stayed up this season. His decision to leave for Chelsea threw us into a tailspin from which we still haven't recovered.

And then losing the energy, press, tackles, goals and assists of KDH and replacing it with Soumare is one of many, but to me the biggest contribution to our demise. 

[Dmitry]

Whoever game this man, RVN, a 3-year contract is a complete ass. I wonder whose name is on the dotted line of that contract.