Our system detected that your browser is blocking advertisements on our site. Please help support FoxesTalk by disabling any kind of ad blocker while browsing this site. Thank you.
Jump to content
 Share
Elsie Effcee

Who will benefit most from Ruud's presence ?

By Elsie Effcee, in Leicester City Forum

Recommended Posts

An Away Move

An Away Move

Posted
Posted (edited)
35 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Last season was frustrating, Enzo would have used him but each time there was an opening then Alves got injured again. Only real evidence Enzo perhaps renegaded on that intention was the final few games after promotion. Absolutely no reason he wasn't involved in the last game of the season.

 

He was very much part of the 1st team though.

💯

His inclusion in the open bus parade and pre-season publicity was designed to make him feel part of the first team. It’s why he didn’t go out on loan. Then Cooper and the focus on experience no matter what else. 

Edited by An Away Move
It'sblueupnorth

It'sblueupnorth

Posted
Posted
18 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

That's true. You never hear of players making the grade if they're not a regular by 19...

Football is obviously not linear but an acl at 16/17 when he was still growing and to miss 2+ years of his development, and now at 19 he’s not even playing for the 21s, I’m struggling to think of a player who’s kicked on in them circumstances. He needs to be playing football and he’s just not.

Really hoping I’m wrong and he does find his feet but he just seems to be in limbo here atm, maybe someone will take him on in January on loan and he can start getting matches under his belt

dmayne7

dmayne7

Posted
Posted
7 minutes ago, It'sblueupnorth said:

Football is obviously not linear but an acl at 16/17 when he was still growing and to miss 2+ years of his development, and now at 19 he’s not even playing for the 21s, I’m struggling to think of a player who’s kicked on in them circumstances. He needs to be playing football and he’s just not.

Really hoping I’m wrong and he does find his feet but he just seems to be in limbo here atm, maybe someone will take him on in January on loan and he can start getting matches under his belt

It's a valid concern but ACL injuries are so much more frequent and the care that these guys get is incredible. He was a bit older but our new manager famously had his move to United canned because of an ACL and yet he went on the be one of the greatest strikers of his generation.

 

We've got the greatest example of never writing off a player too soon playing for us. Not to mention, how many of the players that have properly made the grade here in recent years actually played regularly for us at 19? We're not good at getting players in really young.

 

Completely agree he needs to play. Just feels like that could have been with us.

  • Like 1
suffolk fox

suffolk fox

Posted
Posted
10 minutes ago, It'sblueupnorth said:

Football is obviously not linear but an acl at 16/17 when he was still growing and to miss 2+ years of his development, and now at 19 he’s not even playing for the 21s, I’m struggling to think of a player who’s kicked on in them circumstances. He needs to be playing football and he’s just not.

Really hoping I’m wrong and he does find his feet but he just seems to be in limbo here atm, maybe someone will take him on in January on loan and he can start getting matches under his belt

Similar thing happened to my lad some years ago.  Did his acl playing for Ipswich when he was 15yrs old.  Out for 2 years rehab, not playing, coupled with studying for his school exams, he was never the same afterwards.  Dropped by Ipswich academy, went on to play for Whitton Utd,but was never the same player.  

  • Like 1
VG Fox

VG Fox

Posted
Posted (edited)
43 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

That's true. You never hear of players making the grade if they're not a regular by 19...

JV??????  ....think you had me therelol

Edited by VG Fox
  • Haha 1
iancognito

iancognito

Posted
Posted
2 hours ago, pmcla26 said:

Mavididi and Bilal. Possibly Soumare.

 

Hopefully. The irony not lost on me that the only coach to get two half decent Soumare displays has now left. Let's hope he doesn't revert to Boubakary v.1

inckley fox

inckley fox

Posted
Posted
2 hours ago, dmayne7 said:

Rodgers gave him his debut as a 16 year old. He then played again as a 17 year old. Was supposedly going to be involved in the next few games but then had that awful injury. So Rodgers couldn't pick him, not could Sadler or Smith. So that's already 3 of your managers that could not have played him.

 

Then the rest of my original reply to your first post applies.

 

The idea that 6 managers have ignored him is just false.

Well, he played a few minutes in an FA Cup game in the winter of 21/22 then a few minutes in a League Cup game in the winter of 22/23, just before his injury. People had been crying out for him pretty much non-stop in the interim period and accusing Rodgers of not putting much stock in our youth. The fact that he was injured in an FA Youth Cup game when many on here expected him to be training with the first team ahead of the next fixture kind of underlines that Brendan didn't expect him to be breaking through as early as we did.

 

Yes, I'll grant you that the caretakers and interims couldn't have picked him, but Rodgers had plenty of Cup games between those two matches in which he could have blooded him. We're still talking about all three permanent managers and one set of caretakers who have overlooked whatever he has to offer. What I said isn't outright false, it just has the small caveat that one set of caretakers never had the chance to select him, for two games, and then an interim for seven or eight. That's a very small proportion of the 100 or so matches in which he's been available since his debut and not given a chance.

 

I also badly want to see the next emerging talent. You're not alone in that. I'm just yet to see the proof that Will Alves is going to be the one that we've all been waiting for. It could well be the case that he would have got his chance under Rodgers were it not for the injury. But then again the same injury probably curtailed his chances under all of the subsequent managers, in that he simply couldn't get back up to speed. It may also mean that, since the injury, his development hasn't been what they'd previously hoped, and therefore all of them have been right not to go for him.

 

If Rodgers, who had a fully fit (albeit younger) Alves at his disposal for longer than anyone else, can be excused for overlooking him, then surely it's also understandable that Enzo and Cooper did the same. Hopefully he'll get his chance and leave you feeling thoroughly vindicated and the rest of us wondering how consecutive managers could have been so daft to ignore him. After all, this is how we felt when Joachim, Heskey, Oakes, King, Gradel, Moore, Chilwell, Barnes and Dewsbury-Hall broke through - though in truth, it may just be the case that we waited for the right moment, and will do - if there's ever a right moment - with Alves.

 

How many youth team prospects who didn't get their chance with Leicester truly proved, in later years, that we'd missed out? You could argue that one or two of the aforementioned could have been useful at an earlier date (Barnes, for instance, under Shakespeare and Puel; or KDH under Rodgers, seeing as both had impressed while out on loan), and there's a smattering of players over the past couple of decades who carved out a career at a respectable level despite not making the grade with us. But generally-speaking the much-hyped but overlooked names confirm, over time, why they were overlooked.

shen

shen

Posted
Posted
6 hours ago, Ashley said:

RvN believes in youth. 

 

Monga, Cover, Alves and a few of the other academy lads who can potentially make something of their career. 

 

Monga from what I've seen though looks very good. 

 

Fatawu, Mav and Bilal as young first teamers

Mav, young?? The guy is 26...

sylofox

sylofox

Posted
Posted
7 hours ago, les-tah said:

 Alves is not the saviour, Enzo didnt fancy him really, nor did cooper, nor did the assistant at the weekend. Some of these people are clueless granted but there is a trend here that we cant ignore.

 


Please Note - id love to be wrong.

 

So Enzo didn't fancy him I'll give you that.

Cooper wanted a squad of geriatrics.

As for the weekends team you could have picked the first eleven fit people through the away turnstile and got a similar result.

 

None of those three not playing Alves or anyone else doesn't mean they ain't good enough. Season before last Vesty should never play again, but not many saying it at the end of last season. Relegation season Soyuncu was not even getting a game until Bodgers was sacked. But probably our best player in the run in.

 

New manager and the players to a point should be given a new start. Except for Ward.

Izzy

Izzy

Posted
Posted
3 hours ago, Daggers said:

The Elsie Effcee thread count

I think I know who Elsie Effcee really is...

 

F7F7D338-1311-4D20-B45E-C63732E1FC47.jpeg.5d319fd16e9b732eea0dcd730a5d2788.jpeg

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
×
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...