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I would say It is a collective issue.

 

Top. Forced into the position and is clearly inept in the role. Doesn’t set standards that a leader should follow. 
 

Rudkin. From the people I have spoken with about him. He is one of the hardest workers in the room. First in and last to leave. But he doesn’t have his own opinion. He asks everyone for input and uses other people’s answers as his thoughts. Signed off on some dreadful contracts which have ruined our club. 

Brendan. He gave up last year in the role. Didn’t get backing he wanted and he waited for a pay off. Played ward for 28 games when clear as day he can not cope. First 18 months brilliant. Last 18 months we are where we are largely due to his decisions. 
 

players- Maddison’s tweet summed it up for me. Play like that and we will be fine. They didn’t think about relegation until too late. And they played like it as well. 
 

supporters. Often fans are the 12th man. This has changed in recent seasons. I went to watch Boca Juniors at Bombanera 3 seasons ago. The game was won before kick off. 90 minutes before the game stadium packed and bouncing. I know the clappers we had people didn’t really like.  But for our fan base, they were great. We are a quiet fans. And a little idea like the clappers made a great noise when used together. Look at the loud boos to Danny Ward during Wolves game. He has not played since. Fans have a huge impact and vital role. If we want change have to voice opinion. Shout Rudkin out for duration of the game, not for  5 minutes. We are too passive and only really vocal online. We can make a huge difference the 2nd part of the season. 
 

scouts- some dreadful signings and recruitment over the last 4 seasons. We used to be the best and find Kante, Mahrez and Vardy. We are a shadow of that now. For every Mads Hermansen there are 5-6 dreadful transfers that have hurt us.

 

it is a huge collective issue that caused us to be in our current position 

 

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6 hours ago, JJD_LCFC said:

I would say It is a collective issue.

 

Top. Forced into the position and is clearly inept in the role. Doesn’t set standards that a leader should follow. 
 

Rudkin. From the people I have spoken with about him. He is one of the hardest workers in the room. First in and last to leave. But he doesn’t have his own opinion. He asks everyone for input and uses other people’s answers as his thoughts. Signed off on some dreadful contracts which have ruined our club. 

Brendan. He gave up last year in the role. Didn’t get backing he wanted and he waited for a pay off. Played ward for 28 games when clear as day he can not cope. First 18 months brilliant. Last 18 months we are where we are largely due to his decisions. 
 

players- Maddison’s tweet summed it up for me. Play like that and we will be fine. They didn’t think about relegation until too late. And they played like it as well. 
 

supporters. Often fans are the 12th man. This has changed in recent seasons. I went to watch Boca Juniors at Bombanera 3 seasons ago. The game was won before kick off. 90 minutes before the game stadium packed and bouncing. I know the clappers we had people didn’t really like.  But for our fan base, they were great. We are a quiet fans. And a little idea like the clappers made a great noise when used together. Look at the loud boos to Danny Ward during Wolves game. He has not played since. Fans have a huge impact and vital role. If we want change have to voice opinion. Shout Rudkin out for duration of the game, not for  5 minutes. We are too passive and only really vocal online. We can make a huge difference the 2nd part of the season. 
 

scouts- some dreadful signings and recruitment over the last 4 seasons. We used to be the best and find Kante, Mahrez and Vardy. We are a shadow of that now. For every Mads Hermansen there are 5-6 dreadful transfers that have hurt us.

 

it is a huge collective issue that caused us to be in our current position 

 

Superb post 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

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6 hours ago, JJD_LCFC said:

I would say It is a collective issue.

 

Top. Forced into the position and is clearly inept in the role. Doesn’t set standards that a leader should follow. 
 

Rudkin. From the people I have spoken with about him. He is one of the hardest workers in the room. First in and last to leave. But he doesn’t have his own opinion. He asks everyone for input and uses other people’s answers as his thoughts. Signed off on some dreadful contracts which have ruined our club. 

Brendan. He gave up last year in the role. Didn’t get backing he wanted and he waited for a pay off. Played ward for 28 games when clear as day he can not cope. First 18 months brilliant. Last 18 months we are where we are largely due to his decisions. 
 

players- Maddison’s tweet summed it up for me. Play like that and we will be fine. They didn’t think about relegation until too late. And they played like it as well. 
 

supporters. Often fans are the 12th man. This has changed in recent seasons. I went to watch Boca Juniors at Bombanera 3 seasons ago. The game was won before kick off. 90 minutes before the game stadium packed and bouncing. I know the clappers we had people didn’t really like.  But for our fan base, they were great. We are a quiet fans. And a little idea like the clappers made a great noise when used together. Look at the loud boos to Danny Ward during Wolves game. He has not played since. Fans have a huge impact and vital role. If we want change have to voice opinion. Shout Rudkin out for duration of the game, not for  5 minutes. We are too passive and only really vocal online. We can make a huge difference the 2nd part of the season. 
 

scouts- some dreadful signings and recruitment over the last 4 seasons. We used to be the best and find Kante, Mahrez and Vardy. We are a shadow of that now. For every Mads Hermansen there are 5-6 dreadful transfers that have hurt us.

 

it is a huge collective issue that caused us to be in our current position 

 

Spot on. And this is why Ipswich and wolves will likely survive and we won’t. There’s now an established disconnect between the fans and the club, it’s like a husband and wife divorcing but choosing to live together for the kids… we are a dysfunctional family and are in desperate need of a clear out and refresh…. The likelihood is that we’re about to do a Southampton, we’re heading for league one in my opinion (if we go down) so now’s the opportunity for Top to really assess what he wants from this club, or even does he want it anymore…… we’ve seen the result of poor leadership, it just doesn’t end well for clubs of our size, but the sheer amount of money we have pouring out of this club, another series of poor decisions could finish us off.

 

The ownership appears not to be interested, the fans are disconnected and the squad is substandard…… the worst part about all of it, is Vardy’s career with us is likely to have an unsavoury end, not befitting of what he has delivered for this club. He should have taken himself off to Saudi or America in the summer and earned himself a nice wedge ready for retirement, his departure from the club would have been on a high……

 

Our problem is nothing is being resolved, we just appear to be patching up bad decisions as we go, and eventually all of that comes catching up to you. We could do with an masterclass from Brighton on how to run a football club. 

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Can’t help but wonder where we would be right now if we’d appointed Potter on the basis of a new DoF if there’s any substance to the rumours. However I’m still convinced we can turn it around.

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It goes back as far for me to the misuse of the title and champs league monies and  a series of events since that have compounded those first seasons issues.

16/17: Slimani, Musa, Ndidi, Mendy bought in with Kante going out. Only Ndidi would remain the following season. The squad quality and cohesion starts to dilute.

17/18: Iheanacho, Iborra, Silva, Maguire bought in for a net £50m outlay once Drinkwater had gone. We made the money back by selling Maguire but none of those signings went on to be a regular starter. The identity and connection with the fans starts to change.

18/19: We let Mahrez go, who wouldnt be replaced. We bought in great players like Maddison, Ricardo Evans, Soyuncu who improved the first XI and delivered stability in top 8 but also farted away £52m(!!!) on benkovic, ward and ghezzal. The sort of wastage a mid ranking club cant afford that bloats the squad and prevents you growing long term. We move to being a posession based side who look to dominate games, but retain 1 up top with Vardy meaning we are always a bit of a hybrid between the counter punching side that sits deep and the high line side that tries to play through a low blocking opposition. This identity crisis is hidden by the sheer quality for a while but rears its head when we get injuries that take out ndidi and our stronger defenders.

19/20/21: Tielemans, Perez, Castagne, Fofana, Vestergaard, Soumare, Bertrand come in. We have reached peak post success bloat where the excellence of Maddison, Tielemans, Vardy, Barnes masks the rotten core of shit overplayed players that make up the other 50% of the squad. The FA Cup is amazing but the team cant sustain injuries to key players despite having 2 or 3 for every position. 

22/23: when it becomes apparent we cant sustain spending or contracts due to ffp the whole jig is up. rodgers, schmeichel, tielemans, soyuncu, evans, bertrand, vestergaard all start to act up or disappear. A core of.quality is still there but the rest is a shallow husk and the crowd is lost. At the first sign of adversity the players crumble and so does the confidence of a crowd STILL just happy to have seen us achieve such great things but not behind a squad they know has a lot of players overpaid and underperforming.

RELEGATION

A great punt on Enzo gives us back an identity almost by accident and his force of personality and some great / fortutious recruitment of Hermansen, Mavididi, Winks and Fatawu turns us into a Man City of the championship.

PROMOTION

we jettison ALL of that style of play after promotion and after losing Enzo making some truly baffling signings like Skipp, Okoli, BDR and Ayew - almost like we dont remember why we got promoted or what kind of side we want to be. We sign a baller in el khannous but decide not to play him, mavididi, fatawu or ricardo much in the first 19 games in favour of some kind of self hating pragmatism that ensures low scoring defeats or draws.

We still havent succession planned for Vardy even with a nominal £1m on an up and coming lower league protegee and so he manfully plugs away.

We are unlucky to see Fatawu get injured (the only player who has ever looked vaguely capable of replacing Mahrez) and so are back to square one on that front with a thin glimmer that our brighton loanee can play off the right while we wait his return.

 

All this leaves us with only Hermansen, El Khannous, Buonanotte and Vardy that most fans truly believe have the quality to play high end premier league football, and Vardy is clinging on. 

Unless we luck out in jan with two defenders, a midfielder and a forward we will be RVNs threadbare army in the championship to celebrate the 10year anniversary of the title win and the subsequent mismanagement and misfortune that has stopped us cementing a place at the top table.

 

But i still wouldnt swap it to be forest who will similarly be robbed of gibbs white, elanga, odoi, aina, milenkovic and murillo over the next 18mths with wood succumbing to being 34.

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, JJD_LCFC said:

I would say It is a collective issue.

 

Top. Forced into the position and is clearly inept in the role. Doesn’t set standards that a leader should follow. 
 

Rudkin. From the people I have spoken with about him. He is one of the hardest workers in the room. First in and last to leave. But he doesn’t have his own opinion. He asks everyone for input and uses other people’s answers as his thoughts. Signed off on some dreadful contracts which have ruined our club. 

Brendan. He gave up last year in the role. Didn’t get backing he wanted and he waited for a pay off. Played ward for 28 games when clear as day he can not cope. First 18 months brilliant. Last 18 months we are where we are largely due to his decisions. 
 

players- Maddison’s tweet summed it up for me. Play like that and we will be fine. They didn’t think about relegation until too late. And they played like it as well. 
 

supporters. Often fans are the 12th man. This has changed in recent seasons. I went to watch Boca Juniors at Bombanera 3 seasons ago. The game was won before kick off. 90 minutes before the game stadium packed and bouncing. I know the clappers we had people didn’t really like.  But for our fan base, they were great. We are a quiet fans. And a little idea like the clappers made a great noise when used together. Look at the loud boos to Danny Ward during Wolves game. He has not played since. Fans have a huge impact and vital role. If we want change have to voice opinion. Shout Rudkin out for duration of the game, not for  5 minutes. We are too passive and only really vocal online. We can make a huge difference the 2nd part of the season. 
 

scouts- some dreadful signings and recruitment over the last 4 seasons. We used to be the best and find Kante, Mahrez and Vardy. We are a shadow of that now. For every Mads Hermansen there are 5-6 dreadful transfers that have hurt us.

 

it is a huge collective issue that caused us to be in our current position 

 

I agree with most of this but not on your take of the fans' role.  Yes, it would be great if we had a more passionate and louder fan base, but the fans role at the games is to lift and support the team and provide a hostile atmosphere for the opposition.  It is not our job to hire and fire and nor would I want it to be.  The most vocal supporters are not necessarily the brightest.  Besides, fans are not a single hive mind entity, but a collective with different thoughts and opnions.  I mean look at the this place.

 

A militant fan base would be a toxic fan base.  I'm old enough to remember the Sheff Utd debacle where the fans abused Martin O'Neill for which he never forgave us.  Would the fans have been so patient with a young Jamie Vardy?  Puel would have lasted five minutes, yet he did important work in our growth  and in recent years I have seen the fans booing the likes of Ghezzal, Soumare and Iheanacho as they made their way on to the field as substitutes.  Fans want instant gratification.  They are not best placed to run a football club.  The booing of Ward, to my mind is the exception to the rule as his inclusion is so costly and should have never been considered.

 

We may have poor leadership since the sad loss of Vichai, but what are we supposed to do?  The fans can only hound out incumbents, not choose successors which is another good reason why it should not be left to us.

 

 

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I’ve been convinced that we had still a good enough squad to have not been relegated. I feel even more convinced our levels of fitness during the relegation season was nowhere near good enough. 
 

our players physically and mentally could not compete, when we tried to press, opponents found it to easy to play quickly around us. opponents movement was sharper, quicker and better all round.
 

This meant players held back more, scared to press as they knew they couldn’t get near our opponents. This gave the view they didn’t care. 
 

as such I blame Rodger’s and the fitness team mainly for the relegation. 

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Maddison. Cost us a 4 point swing in the game against Everton with that pathetic penalty meaning they'd have been relegated in our place. Gave the ball away against Bournemouth at home leading to their 0-1 win and trotted around the pitch most games like he didn't give a shit then did really annoying interviews pretending he cares! Couldn't stand the bloke and still can't!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 31/12/2024 at 16:08, Pliskin said:

Spot on. And this is why Ipswich and wolves will likely survive and we won’t. There’s now an established disconnect between the fans and the club, it’s like a husband and wife divorcing but choosing to live together for the kids… we are a dysfunctional family and are in desperate need of a clear out and refresh…. The likelihood is that we’re about to do a Southampton, we’re heading for league one in my opinion (if we go down) so now’s the opportunity for Top to really assess what he wants from this club, or even does he want it anymore…… we’ve seen the result of poor leadership, it just doesn’t end well for clubs of our size, but the sheer amount of money we have pouring out of this club, another series of poor decisions could finish us off.

 

The ownership appears not to be interested, the fans are disconnected and the squad is substandard…… the worst part about all of it, is Vardy’s career with us is likely to have an unsavoury end, not befitting of what he has delivered for this club. He should have taken himself off to Saudi or America in the summer and earned himself a nice wedge ready for retirement, his departure from the club would have been on a high……

 

Our problem is nothing is being resolved, we just appear to be patching up bad decisions as we go, and eventually all of that comes catching up to you. We could do with an masterclass from Brighton on how to run a football club. 

I fully agree with your analogy, and that Ipswich and Wolves currently have a much better chance of staying up than us. Ipswich are certainly boosted by a positive home crowd and club in the same direction. Wolves have a good enough team to get out of any trouble. FA have clearly helped as well with banning Cunha when he is injured and for a cup game which he would have rested anyway.  

 

We have a large discontent between fans and board. It really does filter down to the players. Our ownership again seem increasingly unaware of what is going on. I was hoping the obvious need for new players would have meant we signed players as soon as the window opened. This is a huge transfer window. And need to use the time after the Villa game for any new players to adapt. 

 

If we go down, I do think that Vardy will stay for one more season to help get us promoted. As you said though this is a huge risk and could really end his career with us on a sour note. 

 

If only Tony Bloom could spend an hour with our board we certainly would be in a better position. 

 

From what I have been told, Rudkin is not a bad person. He is a very hard worker and always around. Results have proven that he is just incompetent in the role. As a result nearly of departments under him are performing sub par. 

 

 

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On 31/12/2024 at 17:59, murphy said:

I agree with most of this but not on your take of the fans' role.  Yes, it would be great if we had a more passionate and louder fan base, but the fans role at the games is to lift and support the team and provide a hostile atmosphere for the opposition.  It is not our job to hire and fire and nor would I want it to be.  The most vocal supporters are not necessarily the brightest.  Besides, fans are not a single hive mind entity, but a collective with different thoughts and opnions.  I mean look at the this place.

 

A militant fan base would be a toxic fan base.  I'm old enough to remember the Sheff Utd debacle where the fans abused Martin O'Neill for which he never forgave us.  Would the fans have been so patient with a young Jamie Vardy?  Puel would have lasted five minutes, yet he did important work in our growth  and in recent years I have seen the fans booing the likes of Ghezzal, Soumare and Iheanacho as they made their way on to the field as substitutes.  Fans want instant gratification.  They are not best placed to run a football club.  The booing of Ward, to my mind is the exception to the rule as his inclusion is so costly and should have never been considered.

 

We may have poor leadership since the sad loss of Vichai, but what are we supposed to do?  The fans can only hound out incumbents, not choose successors which is another good reason why it should not be left to us.

 

 

Thanks for your reply.

I do agree the fans role is to lift and support the team. At the moment we are not quite there. A lot of recent decisions and a lot of inaction has caused this disconnection. 

 

I do agree with you that we can not do this to every player / manager. Martin O'Neil became one of our best managers, Vardy is a club legend and probably will have a statue at the ground. 

 

As fans we do want instant results, and that is why most clubs do not have fans in control. I agree with this.

 

Just to explain. I do not want fans to boo every player. I do think that we have a huge role in the club if voiced correctly. Rudkin out chants should not be just 5 minutes when we are 0-3 down. They should be for a duration of a game if we want any change to happen. The booing of Ward happened after 35 games of poor performance, we all can see he is a huge detriment to the team. And already cost us the Wolves game where we are now firmly in the bottom 3. We were not in the relegation zone before he played for us. I do blame Ruud for his selection and fans took it upon themselves to make sure this error was identified. We need to do the same for Rudkin otherwise we are heading on a downward spiral which the board, are again, oblivious about. 

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On 31/12/2024 at 10:02, Chiltern Fox said:

Seagrave has a hand in this.

Nothing wrong with Seagrave itself I wouldn’t have thought. 
 

It’s a bit like filling the Playboy mansion with Great Grandmas. It’s not going to have the same result. 
 

World class facilities, need world class coaches. 

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It goes back as far for me to the misuse of the title and champs league monies and  a series of events since that have compounded those first seasons issues.

16/17: Slimani, Musa, Ndidi, Mendy bought in with Kante going out. Only Ndidi would remain the following season. The squad quality and cohesion starts to dilute.

17/18: Iheanacho, Iborra, Silva, Maguire bought in for a net £50m outlay once Drinkwater had gone. We made the money back by selling Maguire but none of those signings went on to be a regular starter. The identity and connection with the fans starts to change.

18/19: We let Mahrez go, who wouldnt be replaced. We bought in great players like Maddison, Ricardo Evans, Soyuncu who improved the first XI and delivered stability in top 8 but also farted away £52m(!!!) on benkovic, ward and ghezzal. The sort of wastage a mid ranking club cant afford that bloats the squad and prevents you growing long term. We move to being a posession based side who look to dominate games, but retain 1 up top with Vardy meaning we are always a bit of a hybrid between the counter punching side that sits deep and the high line side that tries to play through a low blocking opposition. This identity crisis is hidden by the sheer quality for a while but rears its head when we get injuries that take out ndidi and our stronger defenders.

19/20/21: Tielemans, Perez, Castagne, Fofana, Vestergaard, Soumare, Bertrand come in. We have reached peak post success bloat where the excellence of Maddison, Tielemans, Vardy, Barnes masks the rotten core of shit overplayed players that make up the other 50% of the squad. The FA Cup is amazing but the team cant sustain injuries to key players despite having 2 or 3 for every position. 

22/23: when it becomes apparent we cant sustain spending or contracts due to ffp the whole jig is up. rodgers, schmeichel, tielemans, soyuncu, evans, bertrand, vestergaard all start to act up or disappear. A core of.quality is still there but the rest is a shallow husk and the crowd is lost. At the first sign of adversity the players crumble and so does the confidence of a crowd STILL just happy to have seen us achieve such great things but not behind a squad they know has a lot of players overpaid and underperforming.

RELEGATION

A great punt on Enzo gives us back an identity almost by accident and his force of personality and some great / fortutious recruitment of Hermansen, Mavididi, Winks and Fatawu turns us into a Man City of the championship.

PROMOTION

we jettison ALL of that style of play after promotion and after losing Enzo making some truly baffling signings like Skipp, Okoli, BDR and Ayew - almost like we dont remember why we got promoted or what kind of side we want to be. We sign a baller in el khannous but decide not to play him, mavididi, fatawu or ricardo much in the first 19 games in favour of some kind of self hating pragmatism that ensures low scoring defeats or draws.

We still havent succession planned for Vardy even with a nominal £1m on an up and coming lower league protegee and so he manfully plugs away.

We are unlucky to see Fatawu get injured (the only player who has ever looked vaguely capable of replacing Mahrez) and so are back to square one on that front with a thin glimmer that our brighton loanee can play off the right while we wait his return.

 

All this leaves us with only Hermansen, El Khannous, Buonanotte and Vardy that most fans truly believe have the quality to play high end premier league football, and Vardy is clinging on. 

Unless we luck out in jan with two defenders, a midfielder and a forward we will be RVNs threadbare army in the championship to celebrate the 10year anniversary of the title win and the subsequent mismanagement and misfortune that has stopped us cementing a place at the top table.

 

But i still wouldnt swap it to be forest who will similarly be robbed of gibbs white, elanga, odoi, aina, milenkovic and murillo over the next 18mths with wood succumbing to being 34.

 

 

 

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On 01/01/2025 at 11:49, Walshy5 said:

Maddison. Cost us a 4 point swing in the game against Everton with that pathetic penalty meaning they'd have been relegated in our place. Gave the ball away against Bournemouth at home leading to their 0-1 win and trotted around the pitch most games like he didn't give a shit then did really annoying interviews pretending he cares! Couldn't stand the bloke and still can't!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maddison scored 10 goals and got 9 assists in a season we were relegated. He contributed much more than most of the other players. We lost him and now have very limited creativity and goals from midfield. He was far from the problem.

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scouts- some dreadful signings and recruitment over the last 4 seasons. We used to be the best and find Kante, Mahrez and Vardy. We are a shadow of that now. For every Mads Hermansen there are 5-6 dreadful transfers that have hurt us.

 

Think this bit is harsh. I don't think talent identification is a snigificant problem, in fact I think we've done pretty well at that in the last couple of years. I'd go so far as to say scouting and player identification is one of the reasons we've got to be optimistic. One of the few things Maresca was impressed with here was Glover.

 

The problem is the decision making above it. You allude to it yourself but we don't really have a conventional DOF, we have a long-term employee in the role who largely delegates responsibility and gives a lot of freedom to the manager to dictate transfer philosophy, which most successful clubs aren't now doing (to be clear, when I say successful, I mean Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth, Fulham, Villa - not just the big six.)

 

We didn't sign Ayew, BDCR and Skipp because Glover and a selection of scouts convinced Top and Rudkin they were a brilliant long term investment. We signed them because Steve Cooper's one guiding light was "just get me Premiership Experience."

 

This is partly on Cooper but it's mostly on Top, he needs to commit to going and finding an actual Sporting Director to navigate the club through financial uncertainty and build and develop a squad while doing it. It's hard, it's specialist, it'll cost Top money but you need elite staff that can handle elite pressures.

 

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7 hours ago, Sly said:

Nothing wrong with Seagrave itself I wouldn’t have thought. 
 

It’s a bit like filling the Playboy mansion with Great Grandmas. It’s not going to have the same result. 
 

World class facilities, need world class coaches. 

Shhhh, the last thing we need right now is Rooney pitching up.

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Think this bit is harsh. I don't think talent identification is a snigificant problem, in fact I think we've done pretty well at that in the last couple of years. I'd go so far as to say scouting and player identification is one of the reasons we've got to be optimistic. One of the few things Maresca was impressed with here was Glover.

 

The problem is the decision making above it. You allude to it yourself but we don't really have a conventional DOF, we have a long-term employee in the role who largely delegates responsibility and gives a lot of freedom to the manager to dictate transfer philosophy, which most successful clubs aren't now doing (to be clear, when I say successful, I mean Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth, Fulham, Villa - not just the big six.)

 

We didn't sign Ayew, BDCR and Skipp because Glover and a selection of scouts convinced Top and Rudkin they were a brilliant long term investment. We signed them because Steve Cooper's one guiding light was "just get me Premiership Experience."

 

This is partly on Cooper but it's mostly on Top, he needs to commit to going and finding an actual Sporting Director to navigate the club through financial uncertainty and build and develop a squad while doing it. It's hard, it's specialist, it'll cost Top money but you need elite staff that can handle elite pressures.

 

Very valid comment. My post was not against Glover. He has only fairly recently joined and I was pleasantly signed with his transfers at the start of the Championship season. Hermansen, Mavididi, Winks and Yunus all positively contributed. 
 

even the summer window, personally, I think Okoli has potential to do well here. I would play him ahead of Coady and Faes for example. I think he has potential and will go on to do well. If we give him the chance. As you said the Skipp, Ayew and Reid signings are shocking but that leans more to cooper than the direction of Glovers recent recruitment. 
 

my comment on scouting and recruitment is related to where I think Leicester as a club have gone wrong, and this is before Glovers arrival. every club gets some transfers wrong. They are not bad players. Just does not work at certain clubs. But we have been poor in recent seasons (before relegation to the championship). A long with the new signings on huge wages that made it very difficult to move players on. We are still in a mess because of transfers and wages. 
 

Transfer window before relegation was Faes, Kristensen and Souttar. 50 million on players who have never improved our team. And anpparently only operate at a level below the premier league. 
 

The year before that. We signed Vestegaard, Daka and Soumare. Not forgetting Bertrand on a free, on an enormous pension top up for him. I do believe our incomings and outgoings hugely negatively impacted our club and cost us top half premiership football for a few seasons and is a large reason we are where we are now. 
 

Daka is not a bad player. But my issue is, he was scouted and recruited based on his performances playing with a strike partner. We do not play with 2 strikers. Rather Defeats the purpose of signing him. If a team play with 2 strikers I think he will do well. 
 

My opinion is that we have recruited too many players who were not better than our starting players, on vast salaries and they had no resale value. 

 

Iwebema

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9 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

Think this bit is harsh. I don't think talent identification is a snigificant problem, in fact I think we've done pretty well at that in the last couple of years. I'd go so far as to say scouting and player identification is one of the reasons we've got to be optimistic. One of the few things Maresca was impressed with here was Glover.

 

The problem is the decision making above it. You allude to it yourself but we don't really have a conventional DOF, we have a long-term employee in the role who largely delegates responsibility and gives a lot of freedom to the manager to dictate transfer philosophy, which most successful clubs aren't now doing (to be clear, when I say successful, I mean Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth, Fulham, Villa - not just the big six.)

 

We didn't sign Ayew, BDCR and Skipp because Glover and a selection of scouts convinced Top and Rudkin they were a brilliant long term investment. We signed them because Steve Cooper's one guiding light was "just get me Premiership Experience."

 

This is partly on Cooper but it's mostly on Top, he needs to commit to going and finding an actual Sporting Director to navigate the club through financial uncertainty and build and develop a squad while doing it. It's hard, it's specialist, it'll cost Top money but you need elite staff that can handle elite pressures.

 

Nailed it.

 

We are operating like an old school club from 20 years ago, much like football at this level has moved well beyond managers like Cooper, as has the whole infrastructure of how serious clubs are run now, they have proper professional football people in charge. And as we've seen if they aren't performing they get evaluated and they are out very quickly.

 

Your absolutely bang average premier league team just has this installed, and we've just got chancers in serious roles who have no right to be here any more, thank you for what you did 10+ years ago but it's all moved on now. Everyone who was around our level stepped up their game and we have stood still trying to rehash things from a different era.

 

I do think Top gets some harsh criticism, I don't think you can accuse him of not caring, but he is out of his depth surrounded by incompetent people who seem to have him convinced they know what they are doing despite a long list suggesting otherwise.

 

 

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