When did you first realise we don't have good owners?

[Gamble92]

3 minutes ago, dannythefox said:

I don’t think l’ll ever win with you. For me I’m glad the last 10yrs have happened and I’m very thankful to the owners. As we are now though something has to change. 

I only asked for examples of where there were examples at ownership level of good decisions or a genuine plan? The point is there never was one and only recently everyone realised that. Some of us realised it from the start. 

 

We're all grateful for the past 10 years. We could not have done that without their money. That's where it ends though. Could give many more examples of the massive luck that was involved. What choice was Ranieri? Like 11th? It's all been done without the kind of plans big clubs have that carry on sustained success. 

[Lambert09]

55 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

I only asked for examples of where there were examples at ownership level of good decisions or a genuine plan? The point is there never was one and only recently everyone realised that. Some of us realised it from the start. 

 

We're all grateful for the past 10 years. We could not have done that without their money. That's where it ends though. Could give many more examples of the massive luck that was involved. What choice was Ranieri? Like 11th? It's all been done without the kind of plans big clubs have that carry on sustained success. 

I think this is the uncomfortable truth. We hit the jackpot on some of the individuals recruited and then the success allowed us to develop and gave us a chance to grow. I do think that overall owners should be as hands off as possible but when you really dig into it, we’ve been run poorly for a long time. 

Whilst Rudkin was employed our demise was always inevitable. One failed bounce back and we will fall away from even being a yo-yo club. 
 

 

[foxy boxing]

Clearly Top doesn't really know how to properly run a football club and was thrust into it after his father's death with no experience or knowledge. Hes had to rely on other people with no clue like Rudkin. He needed a proper football and business person with an outside perspective who could have come in and seen what the club needed.

[Philkeavo]

That roped-off section on the pitch after the last home game against Blackburn last season, specifically for Top's Thai mates, wasn't it? Followed, of course, by a trophy parade that seemed to exclusively feature the same Thai mates. These are the moments I realised LCFC had completed the transition to KPFC.

[Pliskin]

For me King Powers greatest move was to initially appoint Pearson. I know some scoff when that’s mentioned, but Pearson wanted the club to be set up properly…. Specialists in every area and different departments to look after different areas of the playing squad. 
 

 

After he left there’s been a gradual erosion at the club. After the death of Vichai the erosion has accelerated.

 

It will be interesting to see what happens to teams like Brentford, Brighton, Bournemouth and Forest cope going forward. 

[LCFCJohn]

1 hour ago, dannythefox said:

I don’t think l’ll ever win with you. For me I’m glad the last 10yrs have happened and I’m very thankful to the owners. As we are now though something has to change. 

To be fair, you did reply to a post of @Gamble92just saying what a load of rubbish basically without anything further.

 

Gamble raised some legitimate points and asked a genuine question and you simply say you can’t win? Not really sure what Gamble has done wrong there to be honest.

 

My view for what it’s worth, a lot of stuff was overlooked due to the success and inevitably, when it goes to shit, people will think back to previous decisions that they essentially got away with. Like the Sousa/Sven stuff, Mills, Beckford etc. They got away with it as Pearson came back and fixed the mess and laid the foundations in terms of sports science, scouting etc. 

 

The financial irregularities with our first promotion, again they settled and it was brushed under the rug.

 

It is now that there is nobody like a Pearson and his team or even the renaissance with Puel/Macia to bail them out that it is oh so plainly obvious. 
 

It doesn’t mean not being grateful. But it does show that it wasn’t all down to the owners.

Edited 18 March by LCFCJohn

[Newbold Blue]

Not sacking Rodgers sooner for me. Should have gone after the Forest cup game then we would have had a chance, left it too late - inept.

 

Massive thankyou for the memories, the trophies, the charity work Vichai launched, but time to go.

[filbertway]

5 hours ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

The arrogance of breaking from the model that had served us so well (ie buy raw talent with a high ceiling and sell to reinvest).

A club like ours cannot sustain when “established signings” on big money and big contracts don’t work out. Unlike top 6 sides who can accommodate a few bad big money signings, it is simply too risky for us and getting it wrong consistently screwed us big time. And then when they didn’t work out, the good players we had woke up and realised it was only a matter of time before we declined - which they then accelerated by running down their contracts.

 

I always wonder what it would have been like had sensible people like Steve Walsh stayed. He knew what he was doing and knew the profile of player that fitted the model.

If it was arrogance we'd likely have rectified it by now.

 

I'd sway more to it being incompetence.

[HitchinFox]

15 hours ago, Electric Yetis said:

Disliked them ever since they removed the old frieze around the top of the stadium. Never trusted them since. 

 

Having the statue out front of the stadium is a proper sickener too.

Controversial take perhaps, but I always thought the statue was a bit of an odd one. Especially its location.

Also, it being where it is could become somewhat awkward, because, let's face it, King Power won't stay here forever.

Setting up a memorial garden at the actual site of the crash I 100% understand – and that should always be there. Perhaps the statue could be moved there too, eventually. 

 

[niyaminski]

2 minutes ago, HitchinFox said:

Controversial take perhaps, but I always thought the statue was a bit of an odd one. Especially its location.

Also, it being where it is could become somewhat awkward, because, let's face it, King Power won't stay here forever.

Setting up a memorial garden at the actual site of the crash I 100% understand – and that should always be there. Perhaps the statue could be moved there too, eventually. 

 

I’m surprised that’s all they did and there isn’t a stand named after Vichai. Thought that’d be the first thing they’d do after the crash. 

[Electric Yetis]

1 minute ago, niyaminski said:

I’m surprised that’s all they did and there isn’t a Stadium named after Vichai. Thought that’d be the first thing they’d do after the crash. 

 

[Gamble92]

1 hour ago, Pliskin said:

For me King Powers greatest move was to initially appoint Pearson. I know some scoff when that’s mentioned, but Pearson wanted the club to be set up properly…. Specialists in every area and different departments to look after different areas of the playing squad. 
 

 

After he left there’s been a gradual erosion at the club. After the death of Vichai the erosion has accelerated.

 

It will be interesting to see what happens to teams like Brentford, Brighton, Bournemouth and Forest cope going forward. 

Again though, we are talking about a man they had to go back to with their tail between their legs after he left because he got wind new owners wanted him gone. With Paulo Sousa watching on in the stands for our play off game with Cardiff too. 

 

They're lucky he didn't tell them to do one. Thankfully he didn't and like you say Pearson and his staff were able to lay all those foundations. 

 

Another massive question is why did Ranieri want to dismantle so much of it and why on earth did they let him?

[Vestan Pance]

It was the lazy contract extensions for mediocre players that started to worry me.

Choudhury

Ward 

Mendy

Nacho 

The list goes on....

 

Using the money on dross, and not correctly rewarding the decent players with contracts that were way above those given to crap. 

 

You can see why a player such as Tielemans would run his contract down when he sees a player like Vestergaard on similar money.

[dmayne7]

No surprise that there's so much revisionism here as everything has to be black and white. There also seems to be some kind of expectation that owners cannot make mistakes and everything must be perfect which is obviously a reaction to what's happening now.

 

Vichai made plenty of mistakes but he showed a willingness to learn from that. Of course everything aligned perfectly for us to have the success we did but it's completely disingenuous to suggest that we just got lucky. Clearly things had been done well. Doesn't mean to say that it wasn't going to go south soon but you can't suggest that he wasn't a good owner. Perfect? Of course not but compare him to others around and there really haven't been many better.

 

It's important to then separate the ownership under Top. Pretty much every decision they've made has been the wrong one, big or small and managed to piggyback on the work of others before his took charge. 

[Dr The Singh]

I still haven't realised

[Voll Blau]

4 hours ago, AKCJ said:

Basically made it easy for themselves at the cost of the fans.

Porto was ridiculous. Some five-star hotel out in the sticks.

 

Mind you, the local cafes must have made an unexpected profit that day flogging hundreds of bottles of Super Bock.

[AKCJ]

3 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

Porto was ridiculous. Some five-star hotel out in the sticks.

 

Mind you, the local cafes must have made an unexpected profit that day flogging hundreds of bottles of Super Bock.

Took us ages to find it.

[Muzzy_no7]

As soon as we won the title there was the odd good decision but the majority were poor decisions.

 

FA Cup papered over serious cracks.

 

Brenda gave up once he realised there was nothing but clowns above him. 
 

Hiring Enzo was a fluke, wasn’t even first choice. 

[john ridley]

Think they've always relied  on luck to some extent. Right from the Sousa appointment  through  to now there's  only been the pearson  period  where things looked together. .Not enough  good football people  at the club and the fact  any mistakes  are just paid off without the root causes rectified,so really no different  from other  dodgy  owners we laugh at. 

[sylofox]

Never wanted them and expected this from the start. Vichai changed my mind as he did care for us all and the club.

 

Top has turned us into what I expected from the start. Employing Rodgers done it for me. Horrible little cvnt with awful football and up his own arse.

 

 

[Gamble92]

50 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

No surprise that there's so much revisionism here as everything has to be black and white. There also seems to be some kind of expectation that owners cannot make mistakes and everything must be perfect which is obviously a reaction to what's happening now.

 

Vichai made plenty of mistakes but he showed a willingness to learn from that. Of course everything aligned perfectly for us to have the success we did but it's completely disingenuous to suggest that we just got lucky. Clearly things had been done well. Doesn't mean to say that it wasn't going to go south soon but you can't suggest that he wasn't a good owner. Perfect? Of course not but compare him to others around and there really haven't been many better.

 

It's important to then separate the ownership under Top. Pretty much every decision they've made has been the wrong one, big or small and managed to piggyback on the work of others before his took charge. 

Revisionism would suggest it's only being said now. Me and many were saying it during the success too. The success changed the narrative from what a lot of us could still see. 

 

I'd say Mandaric employing Pearson is an example of a man learning from his mistakes. He then didn't give a **** about letting Pearson go as soon as these lot asked for it though. 

 

It's a bit of a stretch to applaud them for the amount of risk they took in the Championship and being lucky enough that the man they forced out come back to sort it for them. 

[Scotch]

The Brendan situation made me realise we had disinterested owners. 

[Staffs Fox]

It’s really difficult to say without knowing all the stuff that goes on in the background.
 

I remember when we won the FA Cup, Top was on the pitch with Rodgers and Ian Wright was saying how amazing it is to have such amazing owners and he’s jealous (I think he was referring to Arsenal and Kronke). On the surface he was right. We’d won our second major trophy in 5 years. Built a really good side based on great recruitment and looked a club on the up. However what was happening on the pitch was clearly papering over what was happening off it. 
Despite regular top half finishes, European campaigns and selling key players at a premium our finances were ****ed. Our clubs commercial deals and revenue was dwarfed by our competitors, even those not from the so called Big 6. Our disastrous 21/22 transfer window where we signed Daka, Soumare, Vestergaard and Bertrand whilst not selling anyone can be pointed at but a club should be allowed to have one poor window without having to fall apart, however due to the rot which had set in behind the scenes we were not allowed this luxury. 
Alarms bells starting ringing, the following summer when we didn’t sign Lookman and only signed Faes as an emergency after we got an offer for Fofana we couldn’t refuse. I get they probably didn’t think a team consisting of Tielemans, Maddison, Barnes, Vardy, Castagne, Evans, Soyuncu etc should be relegated and we’d just build again the following summer but therein lies the problem, half of those listed were out of contract the following summer and were preparing to down tools and the other half couldn’t carry them. That said, the single biggest mistake was selling Kasper and thinking Ward could take his place. If Kasper was in goal we’d have had at least another 5/6 points and would have stayed up. I’d bet my mortgage on it. 
 

Despite these glaring on field mistakes, it’s the off field mismanagement which has lead to us having one of the worst Premier League teams in history. What makes matters worse is it’s been happening since 2018 and it’s the being done by the same people who are in charge now. It’s shameful that the only accountability seems to be the Managers when when people above hide away

[dmayne7]

22 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

Revisionism would suggest it's only being said now. Me and many were saying it during the success too. The success changed the narrative from what a lot of us could still see. 

 

I'd say Mandaric employing Pearson is an example of a man learning from his mistakes. He then didn't give a **** about letting Pearson go as soon as these lot asked for it though. 

 

It's a bit of a stretch to applaud them for the amount of risk they took in the Championship and being lucky enough that the man they forced out come back to sort it for them. 

But they (Vichai) wanted a new man (as most owners do) and tried to go down the big names path which failed. They had the humility to go back to the guy they had binned off and obviously gave him big reassurances that he could run it his way so big evidence they had learnt from their mistakes? As I said, it's not like every decision made was the correct one but the vast majority of them were, even off the pitch. What big decisions gave you cause for concern by 2016?

 

I'm not saying for a second that we had all that success because of Vichai but I'd be more more sympathetic to that view than the idea that we had success in spite of him. That's just a nonsense view.

[HankMarvin]

16 hours ago, Gamble92 said:

In what world are "dodgy dealings" good strategy by the way?

It was a good strategy because we ended up getting promoted for the first time in 10 plus years.

Without those dodgy sponsorship deals in place , we wouldn’t have had the highest wage to turnover in the league and wouldn’t have had the strength of squad we did.

whether is was ethical or not who cares, just like nobody did at the time.

 

Just like nobody really cared when we were getting promoted last season and challenging loopholes despite accounts showing how poorly the finances had been run in prior seasons.

 

If people are going to look back at things retrospectively and criticise, then it’s probably best to maintain that stance even when things are going well.