Russell Martin

[adam]

Apart from the one season at Southampton he hasn't really done anything, the Swansea fan I know thinks he a clown and plays some of the worst football you can watch too. So many better options but as usual we go for the cheap option.

[Silebyfox_89]

An English version of RVN.

 

God help us we're in a mess

[Langston]

23 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

Which is precisely why I said "they are not like for like but Martin has more in common with Enzo than differences" ....

Both styles are awful, which is why Chelsea fans are sick of him already. Both Enzo and Russell want to dominate possession for the same reason, to try to convince the opponent to lose shape and press, it's boring, it's sideways, it's negative imo. 

 

But you also said Enzo fans would be happy.. I liked Enzo but am completely anti-Martin..

[HankMarvin]

2 minutes ago, stu said:

However, that is a problem for another time as genuinely think now the top 17 of the premier league is now a closed shop and no-one in the championship will ever establish themselves in the league ever again due to PSR

Luton were only relegated in the final game of the season and next season will be in league one 

it’s a closed shop because the managers have been poor and the teams not good enough.

Let’s see how Leeds do with their 49ers owners 

[Noahfence]

What is our obsession with Southampton all about

[teblin]

1 minute ago, cityfanlee23 said:

Would snap your arm off for Claude Puel right now. A man who plays possession football, has a fantastic eye for a player, doesn’t take any nonsense from players and has a clear identity. 
 

If we can’t get a new DOF we need a manager/coach who can drive change despite the board incompetence.

I think that recruitment under purl was down the Mercia wasn’t it?

[Finnegan]

9 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Vestergaard and Winks straight back into the side then

 

In fairness, anyone that has a problem with Winks being in the team, especially in the Championship, needs their head seeing to. 

 

We've spent all season unable to get out of our own half watching Soumare, Ndidi and Skipp try and build from the back. 

 

Doesn't matter what style of play you want to play, someone's got to be able to get the ball up the pitch and those two are currently the only ones on our books who can actually break the lines. 

 

[TheGoldenGod]

Can't re-iterate enough "I told you so"...sorry if its low but I said time and time again to stick with Ruud....and this is what happens. Zero reason to change managers at this point, the chopping and changing is doing us no good. 

 

Brussell is Enzoball on steroids and also WORSE. We smashed them last season, beat them twice this season (don't care one of those times wasn't with Brussel), they are a tiny club that don't get appointments right on players or managers and we seem to be OBSESSED with their recruitment. 

 

KP OUT!

[Dan]

Would be very on brand for our cretinous ownership.

[cityfanlee23]

2 minutes ago, Langston said:

 

But you also said Enzo fans would be happy.. I liked Enzo but am completely anti-Martin..

I didn't say they would, I said I'm surprised they are not, because Martinball is a massive step in the same direction as Enzoball with very similar patterns of play. 
I can't see a massive difference between the two, so I'd be interested for someone to properly break down the difference between the two styles. 

I detest the style anyway, give me heavy metal gegenpressing over that any day. 

[moore_94]

3 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

In fairness, anyone that has a problem with Winks being in the team, especially in the Championship, needs their head seeing to. 

 

We've spent all season unable to get out of our own half watching Soumare, Ndidi and Skipp try and build from the back. 

 

Doesn't matter what style of play you want to play, someone's got to be able to get the ball up the pitch and those two are currently the only ones on our books who can actually break the lines. 

 

I personally have no problem with them both playing for us again in terms of how much better ball players they are than most of the others

 

The one advantage I saw with Ruud though is that it might have meant we would have possibly been able to move them and their stupid wages on

Edited 21 May 2025 by moore_94

[Chelmofox]

I seriously cant believe this.

[Langston]

3 minutes ago, TheGoldenGod said:

Can't re-iterate enough "I told you so"...sorry if its low but I said time and time again to stick with Ruud....and this is what happens.

 

They're both quite bad, I don't think this is the gotcha you think it is!!  

[TheGoldenGod]

Also there were parts of the fanbase, albeit a minority, that hated Enzoball despite WINNING most weeks! The club have the blueprint to a reaction when it goes slightly pete tong and they've decided to ignore the signs and appoint Martin anyway (if sources are true)....so we ALL know what's going to happen when he starts having a bad patch.

[SemperEadem]

The club is so stale, boring and predictable. 

[kingfox]

19 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Can’t wait to see which of their crap players we go for

If we don’t get a transfer embargo, Bednarek is available for £6 million 

[winteriscoming]

Would rather have Dyche and I don’t want him. 
Spacks of he will do as he’s available. 
Loads of managers I’d rather we went for. 

[TheGoldenGod]

Just now, Langston said:

 

They're both quite bad, I don't think this is the gotcha you think it is!!  

We're in a financial mess clearly based on the recent charges...so why sack a manager NOW we're relegated? You're piling on the finances...doesn't need to be a "gotcha", it'll come true quickly for anyone doubting me  

[Foxin_Mad]

20 minutes ago, Kp1984 said:

He’s lost heavy to Leicester yes but he did pretty well against the rest 

We don’t really want someone who did pretty well, he did dogshit against us, any team that can taking a spanking like that is a worry. Rudd might do pretty well in the Championship it’s a sideways move

[Joe_1992]

Will do similar to how Sousa did 

[Guest]

Yeah go on then. We obviously have no interest at all in being a serious football club anymore so might as well just try and lean right into the absurdity. Dropping into the Championship with a points deduction courtesy of the authorities and then a second, self-imposed one in the shape of Russell Martin is the ideal start

[Vindaloo FOX]

 

Enjoy 

[cityfanlee23]

6 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

In fairness, anyone that has a problem with Winks being in the team, especially in the Championship, needs their head seeing to. 

 

We've spent all season unable to get out of our own half watching Soumare, Ndidi and Skipp try and build from the back. 

 

Doesn't matter what style of play you want to play, someone's got to be able to get the ball up the pitch and those two are currently the only ones on our books who can actually break the lines. 

 

Winks is fantastic at 5 yard sideways and backwards passes, he's a master at it, but there are many championship level midfielders that could do what he did last season with a similar result, maybe not to his level entirely, but not far off. He was massively overrated for much of last season, on balance If we get to the end of the transfer window and we have signed all of the positions we need to fill and there is a CM position left and it's financially viable, I'd happily put Winks back in. 

But for the sake of his 90k a week and the fact beyond sideways and backwards passes he's pretty average I'd want to see him moved on, being better than the Champ isn't worth 90k a week, sadly we might be stuck with him for that very reason. 

[Finnegan]

5 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

I personally have no problem with them both playing for us again in terms of how much better ball players they are than most of the others

 

The one advantage I saw with Ruud though is that it might have meant we would have possibly been able to move them and their stupid wages on

 

Nobody is buying Vestergaard off us, we might as well use him while he's contracted. If we extend again then we're absolutely moronic for sure. 

 

I don't see anyone taking Winks for profit either, frankly. 

 

They're obviously not the only two players in the world who can do what they do, they're hardly my favourites, I'm fine if they're replaced. 

 

But Winks was far too good for the Championship last time out. I'm also not writing him off because Ruud has gone to war with him, it's ridiculously unfair to claim he's pampered or not committed purely because the most incompetent manager we've had since Martin Allen has used him as a scapegoat. 

 

Edited 21 May 2025 by Finnegan

[AjcW]

@StriderHiryu can you do your thing when you get a chance? Man plays about 45 different formations depending on which way the wind blows