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Russell Martin

By Stevosevic, in Leicester City Forum

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Dahnsouff

Dahnsouff

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4 minutes ago, LestaLad said:

Wouldn’t be surprised if Rudkin had leaked this so we’re all relieved when we announce we’re sticking with Ruud. 

And it would work. :o

stu

stu

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5 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

He's the worst option we have.

 

Keep Ruud, crawl back on our hand's and knees for Cooper, do anything but bring in the BTEC Brendan Rodgers. We saw how much destruction the actual one dealt to the club and Martin is a worse version of that.

I’ll concede that keeping Ruud would be a better option, however all the noise is that he isn’t going to be the manager next season.

 

Rodgers destroying the club was to do with spending money on crap players and insisting on moving away from being an annual selling club.
 

It’s looking likely that Martin isn’t going to get that option to spend money and will have to work with whatever he have left after gutting the squad.

 

Thats why I think he is the best free manager option, purely because those that remain will be more comfortable with Martin’s style than they will be with Dyche’s.

MrLuke

MrLuke

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24 minutes ago, Saint Jim said:

Saints fan here in peace. Just thought I'd give you some thoughts on Martin (steer well clear if you can)

 

1. Martin’s philosophy isn’t “Brave Football”—it’s risk-deferral disguised as bravery

The consensus says Martin’s teams play "brave," possession-heavy football. But real bravery in football means taking actions that carry visible, immediate risk in service of scoring or winning. Martin’s style delays risk—endless short passes in deep areas to “control” games—but avoids the direct danger of vertical play. It’s low-tempo safety dressed as courage

 

2. Martin's possession obsession is not about winning—it's about identity preservation

Football is a game where the winner is the team that scores more goals. Martin’s model instead tries to “play the right way”—even when that way doesn’t win. His identity as a manager is tied to aesthetics, not outcomes. 

 

3. He overrates system intelligence and underrates Human intelligence

Martin’s system demands extreme positional discipline, pattern recognition, and ball circulation. But football is a high-noise, low sample decision environment where intuitive improvisation often beats system logic. Martin tries to systemise what should be instinctual.

 

4. The real value Martin brings Is psychological safety, not tactical innovation

Martin’s real gift isn’t his tactics—it’s his ability to create an environment where players feel heard, respected, and emotionally safe. Consistency of emotion and trust accelerates player buy-in and cohesion. But it's also why his tactics go unchallenged—because players don’t push back.

 

5. Martin mirrors Guardiola without understanding the core mechanism

Guardiola’s model is opponent-reactive — he manipulates shape in response to pressure patterns and vulnerabilities. Martin’s is internally consistent — a closed loop of pattern repetition regardless of opposition response. Pep is playing chess and Martin plays ballet

 

I'd add to this, that Saints games under Martin have been on the whole the most boring and dull affairs I have ever seen. I remember a West Brom fan falling asleep at St Marys and I can't blame him

 

Can you be our manager please

BillyFOX12

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8 hours ago, teblin said:

He speaks brilliantly in this and is likeable from this. But there is inter with Ruud and with Neville where he comes across well.

 

I did wonder when I watched it if the club had got agent lineker to help his profile.

Consensus from Saints fans seems to be that he speaks well and is a likeable bloke - but this won't mean anything if he's out of his depth.

 

But if you actually watched Saints last season, or the one before, where they nearly bottled promotion, you’ll know.

 

It’s the worst kind of football imaginable. Yes, the squad was shit, but the style made it even worse. Endless ****ing about at the back to pad possession stats, extremely low xG and attempts on goal, and somehow they managed to rack up 20 defensive errors leading to goals - mind you, that's in just a third of the season.

 

Words genuinely fail to capture how shit of an appointment this is.

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Golden Fox

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14 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

Post of the year

To be fair, it is the only post this year to have used the phrase"football is a high-noise, low sample decision environment where intuitive improvisation often beats system logic."

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Vazman

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8 minutes ago, LestaLad said:

Wouldn’t be surprised if Rudkin had leaked this so we’re all relieved when we announce we’re sticking with Ruud. 

I was thinking this as well, it has to be a mind game, some sort of psychological tactic by Rudders to make us all relieved we've kept RVN instead... There can't be an alternative 

StanSP

StanSP

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1 hour ago, Saint1983 said:

What holds him back is just that - his overriding, pig headedness to change when his vanity project is falling apart. He takes things very personally when questioned and can be a bit spiky also.

 

that said, the players seemed to ‘buy into’ his philosophy and if they do, you’ll be ok.

Great, we're going straight into season 3 of Brendan Rodgers lol

 

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FoxTimmy2

FoxTimmy2

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8 hours ago, moore_94 said:

I don’t like Ruud but I honestly think I would rather stick with him than get Brussell

This.

 

Shocking, absolutely shocking if true. I remember them having one of the highest possession percentages in the first 10 games of this season, yet the fewest attempts on goal.

 

How did they "achieve" that? Endless backpasses and sideways passes until the opposition is gifted a goal. Rinse and repeat.

 

I ****ing hate this club. 

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StanSP

StanSP

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22 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Hopefully a Percy story tonight, that it’s not the case 

Not with Vardy gone...

Jazzy_Jeff

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2 minutes ago, Unabomber said:

Southampton fan I know seems to think this is definitely done. 

I think they’re right.

 

If he was available I think a deal with Norwich would have been done by now. 

honeybradger

honeybradger

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18 minutes ago, stu said:

I’ll concede that keeping Ruud would be a better option, however all the noise is that he isn’t going to be the manager next season.

 

Rodgers destroying the club was to do with spending money on crap players and insisting on moving away from being an annual selling club.
 

It’s looking likely that Martin isn’t going to get that option to spend money and will have to work with whatever he have left after gutting the squad.

 

Thats why I think he is the best free manager option, purely because those that remain will be more comfortable with Martin’s style than they will be with Dyche’s.

It's not just the style though, it's the mentality that comes with it.

 

There's nothing worse than a manager who ingrains a style where the team are scared to take risks in the opposition third and are more willing to take them in their own penalty box. Then the inevitable stray pass in the box happens and the opposition score a goal and it just crushes the players because there is no worse way to concede.

 

Martin won't take any responsibility for the struggles of the team either, like Brendan he is known for being elite at weaseling his way out of the firing line when the team is doing poorly.

 

Genuinely no football fan deserves to have a manager like Russel Martin, his archetype of manager is the worst around and he embodies it perfectly.

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Unabomber

Unabomber

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5 minutes ago, Jazzy_Jeff said:

I think they’re right.

 

If he was available I think a deal with Norwich would have been done by now. 

Yeah apparently his mate runs in the same circles as RM and his bird 

RedSoxUK

RedSoxUK

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Honestly you dinosaurs, what are you expecting? The club who have for the best part of a decade sucked off Manchester City and possession football to suddenly hire 442 compact low block no youth no wingers no creativity Seany Dyche.

 

We already have Brian Barry Murphy as first team coach probably stepping up as assistant who will give our possession lord and saviour Sir Russell Martin the **** list and 'who can keep the ball' list.

 

The creative youth, scouting network, coaching, and many first team players built for a style which he can adapt and he's more than adept at adapting on a team which he's done everywhere for limited periods without really having the time and money to really leave a mark.

 

Get with the programme quick, if you Dino anti Enzo twats boo when we inevitably pass too much, or occasionally lose to a lower championship side, you know full well it won't help because the players are going to do it his way and he'll be brought in to play his way whether you like it or not. 

HankMarvin

HankMarvin

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1 minute ago, RedSoxUK said:

Honestly you dinosaurs, what are you expecting? The club who have for the best part of a decade sucked off Manchester City and possession football to suddenly hire 442 compact low block no youth no wingers no creativity Seany Dyche.

 

We already have Brian Barry Murphy as first team coach probably stepping up as assistant who will give our possession lord and saviour Sir Russell Martin the **** list and 'who can keep the ball' list.

 

The creative youth, scouting network, coaching, and many first team players built for a style which he can adapt and he's more than adept at adapting on a team which he's done everywhere for limited periods without really having the time and money to really leave a mark.

 

Get with the programme quick, if you Dino anti Enzo twats boo when we inevitably pass too much, or occasionally lose to a lower championship side, you know full well it won't help because the players are going to do it his way and he'll be brought in to play his way whether you like it or not. 

I’d rather Seany D

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Guest Lako42

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Cooper in 

 

Anyone wanting big brick eating Sean now we have been relegated is a muppet. 

 

Our only decent players are wingers you weirdos

Saint1983

Saint1983

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29 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Great, we're going straight into season 3 of Brendan Rodgers lol

 

Enjoy 😉

 

can’t say I ever warmed to him; I think it’s a bit of a media driven facade about what a nice guy he is. Some people will buy it, some people won’t - same with the players.

 

If enough players do and you don’t get battered with a points deduction, I think he’ll do ok for you. If he gets you back up though, get rid. Immediately. He’ll go full Russball on you and before you know it, you’ll have more “goals conceded due to defensive errors” than actual goals scored your own team.

 

and you won’t be allowed to criticise him or he’ll get a bit prickly.

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