General News Thread

[Dr The Singh]

12 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Serious, serious question.

 

Who actually, really, feels threatened by immigrants - even illegal ones.

 

Cos I don't and never have. I honestly really don't understand.

Me, where my mum lives.  Its quite scary at.night for me, let alone a old sikh women.

 

There's men, just roaming around, drinking.

 

I live in the one of the best parts.of UK, I will never see it.

 

However my mum will never leave our roots in the UK,.for an immigrant to feel more fear then the far right, says something.

[Bellend Sebastian]

If they got 110,000 that would be a very good turn out for a right wing march.

 

They claimed a million for one of Robinson's previous events where everyone else (coppers etc) said it wasn't even 6 figures. 

 

For all the drama and media attention they just don't get the numbers. Go through the list of the biggest demos ever in the UK and it's all Stop the War, CND, EU vote, anti- austerity, stuff like that. 

 

I don't know if this is indicative of the level of support or whether right wing people just can't be arsed

[Heathrow fox]

1 hour ago, Wymsey said:

Who is/What is to blame for it?

The economy is the main reason

[MaidstoneFox]

9 minutes ago, StanSP said:

I feel more threatened by those trying to 'unite' the country as I do than the ones they claim ruin the country. 

 

7 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

And it's pretty verifiable that the path they want to lead everyone down hurts everyone in the end, even themselves.

Doesn't really matter, it's an outlet for misplaced anger as it always has been. A home for the easily radicalised: the lonely; the economically and culturally marginalised.

 

Nothing they say touches on the bigger issues and reasons for immigration, because that's an inconvenient truth. Why does someone want to leave their own country? Who is making money from the sale of arms to fuel wars in despotic countries, which causes so much migration?

 

2 million people fled Ireland during the great famine in the 19th Century as a result of British policy.

 

The reality of the situation is that more people have more access to freedom of speech than ever in history.

[Super_horns]

22 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

So the original report on arrests was awry ……..

Ah thought 9 arrests seemed very low all things considering .

[leicsmac]

8 minutes ago, MaidstoneFox said:

 

Doesn't really matter, it's an outlet for misplaced anger as it always has been. A home for the easily radicalised: the lonely; the economically and culturally marginalised.

 

Nothing they say touches on the bigger issues and reasons for immigration, because that's an inconvenient truth. Why does someone want to leave their own country? Who is making money from the sale of arms to fuel wars in despotic countries, which causes so much migration?

 

2 million people fled Ireland during the great famine in the 19th Century as a result of British policy.

 

The reality of the situation is that more people have more access to freedom of speech than ever in history.

I'd say it matters from the point of view of the consequences that will happen in its name, but I do agree here.

[MaidstoneFox]

7 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

I'd say it matters from the point of view of the consequences that will happen in its name, but I do agree here.

I mean look, my argument would be that greater distribution of wealth, more opportunities and greater say in how things work at a local level would dissipate a great deal of this feeling, but I think even then there would still be a vehicle for political opportunists to march and recruit under the banner of far-right ideology. 

[BKLFox]

20 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Serious, serious question.

 

Who actually, really, feels threatened by immigrants - even illegal ones.

 

Cos I don't and never have. I honestly really don't understand.

Immigrants no, illegal you bet I do.

 

Immigrants: I trust in the system that papers they have highlight they have no outstanding warrants or red flags from their past much like when I travel the world with my passport.

 

Illegal: There is no starting point for investigation & therefore no link to their past.

 
I’m suspicious of anyone really tbf but looking at those that pay a ‘gang’ to get them through illegal means triggers a flag, the fact that the majority of those are young men triggers another, the countries they come from triggers another.

 

We have all commented on the vile goings on around the world over the past 2+ years & all have been dumbstruck how a person can do things we’ve heard of to another human being.

Now what’s to say those that committed those inhumane atrocities are not on a boat for what ever reason or is it totally out of the realms of possibility?

 

Once you have been part of something and been part of the horror, that never leaves you.

Look to who we would call the good guys and our service personnel that wake up screaming with their hands around their wife / partners neck & the demons they battle on a daily basis & they haven’t been killing defenceless women & children with ak47s and everything else that we’ve heard that goes on.

 

We know how smuggling gangs operate it’s not a ok thanks for your 20k enjoy your new life, they are in-debt until the gang has done with them & I wouldn’t bet against the fact most end up part of the gang that got them here, doing god knows what.

 

Once you have blood on your hands, once you have violated a woman or child in the manner we have witnessed recently & you’re now potentially walking the streets amongst us, does that scare me, you bet ya ass it does.

 

 

[Zear0]

Looked like at least 10m people to me. 

[StanSP]

17 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Immigrants no, illegal you bet I do.

 

Immigrants: I trust in the system that papers they have highlight they have no outstanding warrants or red flags from their past much like when I travel the world with my passport.

 

Illegal: There is no starting point for investigation & therefore no link to their past.

 
I’m suspicious of anyone really tbf but looking at those that pay a ‘gang’ to get them through illegal means triggers a flag, the fact that the majority of those are young men triggers another, the countries they come from triggers another.

 

We have all commented on the vile goings on around the world over the past 2+ years & all have been dumbstruck how a person can do things we’ve heard of to another human being.

Now what’s to say those that committed those inhumane atrocities are not on a boat for what ever reason or is it totally out of the realms of possibility?

 

Once you have been part of something and been part of the horror, that never leaves you.

Look to who we would call the good guys and our service personnel that wake up screaming with their hands around their wife / partners neck & the demons they battle on a daily basis & they haven’t been killing defenceless women & children with ak47s and everything else that we’ve heard that goes on.

 

We know how smuggling gangs operate it’s not a ok thanks for your 20k enjoy your new life, they are in-debt until the gang has done with them & I wouldn’t bet against the fact most end up part of the gang that got them here, doing god knows what.

 

Once you have blood on your hands, once you have violated a woman or child in the manner we have witnessed recently & you’re now potentially walking the streets amongst us, does that scare me, you bet ya ass it does.

 

 

I agree with what you say. There's nothing debatable about the risk people coming into this country carry. 

 

But my main issue that I've been thinking about today? 

 

Where are the riots or protests when a Brit commits such heinous crimes? Where's the uproar when a white grooming gang abuses children for years? Where's the vitriol when a Filipino nurse is racially abused just going about her business in a park? Where's the outrage when a Sikh woman gets sexually assaulted and raped? 

 

You know, I'm all protecting women and kids (and everyone, why narrow it down?). But if you only protest at the crimes committed by non-Brits, and don't provide the same energy to when your own folk do it, it kind of numbs the argument down as to how much you actually care about what you say you are. 

 

If there was that same energy output, either verbally or in person en masse, maybe there'd be more people listening to paying attention. But if you hone in on only Asian grooming gangs or allegedly islamophobic tropes, you kind of pigeonhole yourself into such a corner. 

Edited 13 September 2025 by StanSP

[Jattdogg]

2 hours ago, StanSP said:

 touching the bone

Think everyone needs to do this tonight, release some tension.

 

Sorry, not offering to help though! Lol

 

 

[South Shire Fox]

8 hours ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

If they got 110,000 that would be a very good turn out for a right wing march.

 

They claimed a million for one of Robinson's previous events where everyone else (coppers etc) said it wasn't even 6 figures. 

 

For all the drama and media attention they just don't get the numbers. Go through the list of the biggest demos ever in the UK and it's all Stop the War, CND, EU vote, anti- austerity, stuff like that. 

 

I don't know if this is indicative of the level of support or whether right wing people just can't be arsed

I imagine there were a lot of people with similar views who went to football matches instead today. Id guess and say that if it was on during the international break then many more would of gone

Edited 14 September 2025 by South Shire Fox

[Scotch]

2 hours ago, South Shire Fox said:

I imagine there were a lot of people with similar views who went to football matches instead today. Id guess and say that if it was on during the international break then many more would of gone

Which is ridiculous in itself. 

 

So they care about the state of the country and what immigration is doing to it... as long as it doesn't interfere with the Chelsea game! 

[leicsmac]

50 minutes ago, Scotch said:

Which is ridiculous in itself. 

 

So they care about the state of the country and what immigration is doing to it... as long as it doesn't interfere with the Chelsea game! 

You're making the mistake of assuming logic and consistency of thought where there is none. 

[Trav Le Bleu]

11 hours ago, Zear0 said:

Looked like at least 10m people to me. 

They can't have been that tall!

[Trav Le Bleu]

10 hours ago, Jattdogg said:

Think everyone needs to do this tonight, release some tension.

 

Sorry, not offering to help though! Lol

 

 

You'd like to though.

[Zear0]

3 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

They can't have been that tall!

Not sure there's much height in that crowd... 

[foxes1988]

If someone has concerns about immigration then that's fair enough. I just can't stand the dehumanising slogans and vitriol based on emotions rather then facts that goes with it.

 

How to address immigration is a fair political question but as like Brexit it won't be answered with truths but with slogans sound bites and misinformation(the more pro immigration side will do this too a degree too)

 

Having said that there's many issues in the country and pretending that immigration is the No 1 problem I just find disingenuous at best. 

[Nalis]

Divide and conquer lives on in both the left and right, and as always the rich are the only winners. In a time when access to information has never been better, the rich probably cant believe how well divide and conquer is still going as a tactic.

[leicsmac]

24 minutes ago, foxes1988 said:

If someone has concerns about immigration then that's fair enough. I just can't stand the dehumanising slogans and vitriol based on emotions rather then facts that goes with it.

 

How to address immigration is a fair political question but as like Brexit it won't be answered with truths but with slogans sound bites and misinformation(the more pro immigration side will do this too a degree too)

 

Having said that there's many issues in the country and pretending that immigration is the No 1 problem I just find disingenuous at best. 

 

10 minutes ago, Nalis said:

Divide and conquer lives on in both the left and right, and as always the rich are the only winners. In a time when access to information has never been better, the rich probably cant believe how well divide and conquer is still going as a tactic.

Pretty much, yes. 

 

The only thing I would say is that it's the powerful and sociopathic, as well as the rich, and the way they do things can't - won't - survive the new world that is changing in the long term anyway. It will end as well for them as everyone else. 

[bovril]

I think it's worth remembering that the scale of immigration since 2020 has been unprecedented and there was always going to be some reaction to it, especially in a country with declining material conditions like Britain.

[leicsmac]

20 minutes ago, bovril said:

I think it's worth remembering that the scale of immigration since 2020 has been unprecedented and there was always going to be some reaction to it, especially in a country with declining material conditions like Britain.

Right, and it isn't going to get any better either. 

 

So, there either needs to be a proper action to address the root cause of this migration in the first place, or the UK/other places accept that their policies on the matter will mean their additional comfort comes at the direct and indirect cost of human lives. 

[MonkeyTennis?]

Alongside all the other stuff, I just do not understand the vehement hatred of Starmer. He's a fairly uninspiring technocrat who has a habit of picking the wrong battles, and his government are obviously struggling to actually deliver the change they promised, which is disappointing, but I'm struggling to see what he's done that has made the right so angry. 

[bovril]

13 minutes ago, MonkeyTennis? said:

Alongside all the other stuff, I just do not understand the vehement hatred of Starmer. He's a fairly uninspiring technocrat who has a habit of picking the wrong battles, and his government are obviously struggling to actually deliver the change they promised, which is disappointing, but I'm struggling to see what he's done that has made the right so angry. 

Cognitive dissonance. They voted for brexit and Boris Johnson so they want somebody else to blame for high immigration numbers. 

[Unabomber]

51 minutes ago, MonkeyTennis? said:

Alongside all the other stuff, I just do not understand the vehement hatred of Starmer. He's a fairly uninspiring technocrat who has a habit of picking the wrong battles, and his government are obviously struggling to actually deliver the change they promised, which is disappointing, but I'm struggling to see what he's done that has made the right so angry. 

Yeah fully agree it’s pretty odd.