General News Thread

[Wymsey]

He could well sue them after this (like Trump)..

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c332g6gk0jlo

 

[Trav Le Bleu]

An old bloke I delivered a parcel to yesterday, after I'd asked for his name and signature, said to me, "I'm a bit worried because the Amazon delivery driver wanted to check the numbers on my parcel... AND he was Asian!"

 

I replied, "we're all ageing." with a wry grin.

 

"No we are NOT!"

 

"Nevermind. Bye."

[FoxesDeb]

28 minutes ago, Fox in the North said:

Excellent response from Starmer on this imo.

I genuinely hadn't watched this before I made my post above. But yes, this. It's basic human compassion.

[worthosoriginals]

28 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

He could well sue them after this (like Trump)..

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c332g6gk0jlo

 

Well he is the British trump

[leicsmac]

33 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

He could well sue them after this (like Trump)..

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c332g6gk0jlo

 

"It suggests that Mr Farage, far from condemning racialised treatment, was himself invoking race as a basis for public anger."

 

Reform are right on that to be honest.

 

Media entities shouldn't be merely suggesting it, they should be flat out saying that exactly that invoking public anger is happening as a matter of record. Because it is, and has been for some time, wrapped up in a thin veneer of flowery language and obfuscation. 

 

Perhaps then Farage et al might be less able to hide behind weasel words and faux injured innocence. 

[Voll Blau]

1 hour ago, Fox in the North said:

Excellent response from Starmer on this imo.

You can see in Farage's face there's not a shred of human compassion there.

 

The man's a psychopath.

Edited Wednesday at 18:59 by Voll Blau

[Jattdogg]

7 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

You can see in Farage's face there's not a shred of human compassion there.

 

The man's a psycopath.

I'd gladly fart in his open mouth, maybe even turtle a bit.  He is such a massive coont.

[Foxdiamond]

So annoying that Farage makes a comment that the media concentrate on far more than comments made by politicians from other parties that currently are in power or the leading opposition party etc. 

[Foxdiamond]

4 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

So annoying that Farage makes a comment that the media concentrate on far more than comments made by politicians from other parties that currently are in power or the leading opposition party etc. 

Just to add. We know Reform currently have 8 MPs. The Tories 116 and Lib Dems 72 but the media make it all about Farage

[Voll Blau]

9 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

So annoying that Farage makes a comment that the media concentrate on far more than comments made by politicians from other parties that currently are in power or the leading opposition party etc. 

The sily ****'s been given open season to say what he likes for two decades now.

 

His rise is the most abject failure in the history of British journalism.

Edited Wednesday at 19:01 by Voll Blau

[Voll Blau]

Just now, Voll Blau said:

The sily ****'s been given open season to say what he likes for two decades now.

 

His rise is the most abject failure in the history of British journalism.

Oh, turns out you can't even say **** on here by spelling it with a v these days. Maybe are Nige is right!

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

The sily ****'s been given open season to say what he likes for two decades now.

 

His rise is the most abject failure in the history of British journalism.

I can see the logic in a way - sunlight being the best disinfectant for such viewpoints in the "marketplace of ideas" had worked pretty well up until the last couple of decades. 

 

Unfortunately, now that advances in tech have managed to make such ideas spread and with them has come a dedicated attempt to subvert the very idea of truth in order to make them stay there. 

 

The world has changed, and is changing. Such paradigms as the one above are well meaning in principle, but may well no longer hold now or in the immediate future. 

[Voll Blau]

10 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

I can see the logic in a way - sunlight being the best disinfectant for such viewpoints in the "marketplace of ideas" had worked pretty well up until the last couple of decades. 

 

Unfortunately, now that advances in tech have managed to make such ideas spread and with them has come a dedicated attempt to subvert the very idea of truth in order to make them stay there. 

 

The world has changed, and is changing. Such paradigms as the one above are well meaning in principle, but may well no longer hold now or in the immediate future. 

Good point. That one appearance on Question Time ended Nick Griffin but the same rules don't apply now.

[leicsmac]

12 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

Good point. That one appearance on Question Time ended Nick Griffin but the same rules don't apply now.

Yes, exactly. 

 

And, with that being said, what happens now, or what should happen now? The Chinese have their own solution, but that's hardly optimal or really ideal.

[CrazyKopCorner]

10 hours ago, st albans fox said:

Of course it was wrong to cuff him

bit it’s not a criminal offence 

 

if they’d seen him ‘bleeding out’ then they would have dealt with it differently. The stab wounds  to the heart that effectively killed him led to massive loss of blood into his lungs. 
 

they denied him dignity in death. His life wasn’t saveable by the time they arrived.  

 

I think they may rightfully be in a lot of trouble 

[Clogger_]

The name Nigel should only be bestowed on the very greatest of humans, not that tw*t

[westernpark]

People might not like Keir Starmer as a leader but he’s a good person that if you read what he says(rather than listen), you’d back him all the way.

Vile to see the established class like Clarkson(public school) poke fun at Starmer in the grand scheme of things. Acts by him will contribute to this country becoming reform.

[Super_horns]

5 hours ago, Corky said:

I really feel for Henry's family and his father's very dignified statement. Time to listen to his words, let the family grieve and any investigation take its course.

 

Again, it is horrifying how quickly younger people think that stabbing is the answer. Sadly, I don't see an easy solution.

It is sad when people jump on a tragic event like this for their own gain.

 

I am sure the police involved really regret what they did but in the heat of the situation though what they did was right.
 

[CrazyKopCorner]

21 hours ago, st albans fox said:

Of course it was wrong to cuff him

bit it’s not a criminal offence 

 

if they’d seen him ‘bleeding out’ then they would have dealt with it differently. The stab wounds  to the heart that effectively killed him led to massive loss of blood into his lungs. 
 

they denied him dignity in death. His life wasn’t saveable by the time they arrived.  

 

No checks taken when he was clearly in distress is gross negligence and there is a case for corporate homicide. 
 

They aded to his assault and death. 

They should face criminal prosecutions

. 

 

[Trav Le Bleu]

I think this is a clear case of double standards.

 

Farage calls for rage = disgrace

 

Dylan Thomas calls for rage = classic literature 

 

[Pliskin]

31 minutes ago, CrazyKopCorner said:

No checks taken when he was clearly in distress is gross negligence and there is a case for corporate homicide. 
 

They aded to his assault and death. 

They should face criminal prosecutions

. 

 

Not necessarily, if they’ve looked for a stab wound and haven’t been able to find one, it’s a difficult one to quantify…. It’s more down to incompetence than anything sinister in my opinion. 
 

This is why in my opinion they need to release entire clips of footage, not just a small snippet because it creates a completely different story. 
 

The officers have definitely failed in their duty of care, because they should have called for an ambulance immediately, that may have been the only way to tell he had been stabbed, as sometimes stab wounds to the torso don’t always bleed and look obvious. 
 

Unless we know the full story, rather than snippets it’s very difficult to make a fully informed conclusion. 
 

I’m not saying that these officers haven’t neglected their duty, because they have, but it may not be a clear as the information we have suggests. 
 

Is it necessarily criminal? It’s gross misconduct because it’s a failure to uphold the very path police officers swear, but is it necessarily criminal to essentially be crap at your job? 
 

There’s so many variables that we aren’t privy too, as we saw in the case of Chris Kabba, different scenario but in terms of information being shared with the public, it suddenly paints a completely different picture…..

 

The incident looked horrifying, and when you say a young man who’s been stabbed has been handcuffed laying on the floor saying he’s been stabbed…..

 

But how many times do we think police officers go to incidents, where people are drunk, or drugged in claiming to be stabbed and they haven’t? Potentially these officers have been to many incidents like this, and have unfortunately slipped into a complacent approach….. 

 

Essentially what I’m trying to say, is there’s more to the bigger picture of decision making than we’re privy too. 
 

It doesn’t make the situation less shocking, it just means that this incident if more officer incompetence more than two tier policing as alot of the far right are suggesting. 

[LCFCCHRIS]

10 hours ago, westernpark said:

People might not like Keir Starmer as a leader but he’s a good person that if you read what he says(rather than listen), you’d back him all the way.

Vile to see the established class like Clarkson(public school) poke fun at Starmer in the grand scheme of things. Acts by him will contribute to this country becoming reform.

Reform voters are too far gone. Beyond any reasoning. 

I have one in the family. Have no real explanation as to why they "HATE STARMER" yet they do. 

 

Edited yesterday at 07:24 by LCFCCHRIS

[LCFCCHRIS]

38 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Not necessarily, if they’ve looked for a stab wound and haven’t been able to find one, it’s a difficult one to quantify…. It’s more down to incompetence than anything sinister in my opinion. 
 

This is why in my opinion they need to release entire clips of footage, not just a small snippet because it creates a completely different story. 
 

The officers have definitely failed in their duty of care, because they should have called for an ambulance immediately, that may have been the only way to tell he had been stabbed, as sometimes stab wounds to the torso don’t always bleed and look obvious. 
 

Unless we know the full story, rather than snippets it’s very difficult to make a fully informed conclusion. 
 

I’m not saying that these officers haven’t neglected their duty, because they have, but it may not be a clear as the information we have suggests. 
 

Is it necessarily criminal? It’s gross misconduct because it’s a failure to uphold the very path police officers swear, but is it necessarily criminal to essentially be crap at your job? 
 

There’s so many variables that we aren’t privy too, as we saw in the case of Chris Kabba, different scenario but in terms of information being shared with the public, it suddenly paints a completely different picture…..

 

The incident looked horrifying, and when you say a young man who’s been stabbed has been handcuffed laying on the floor saying he’s been stabbed…..

 

But how many times do we think police officers go to incidents, where people are drunk, or drugged in claiming to be stabbed and they haven’t? Potentially these officers have been to many incidents like this, and have unfortunately slipped into a complacent approach….. 

 

Essentially what I’m trying to say, is there’s more to the bigger picture of decision making than we’re privy too. 
 

It doesn’t make the situation less shocking, it just means that this incident if more officer incompetence more than two tier policing as alot of the far right are suggesting. 

I bet they deal with 10 incidents like this every day where someone claims to not be able to breathe when getting arrested etc. 

It's negligence of duty but I don't see how it could be intentional or discrimination against a white guy.

[davieG]

12 hours ago, Foxdiamond said:

Just to add. We know Reform currently have 8 MPs. The Tories 116 and Lib Dems 72 but the media make it all about Farage

I'm fed up with them bringing Jenrick out every five minutes, like he's the future PM and the founder of all that is good about England and the World for sound bites. How the guy can keep a straight face when criticising other parties when he and the Conservatives are as culpable as anyone with is many U-turns on policy and party politics

[davieG]