General News Thread

[leicsmac]

8 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

Its actually quite funny Trump is going to try to dump this terrible deal, and no doubt the associated terrible decision to go to wat in the first place on Vance and Netanyahu.  They deserve everything they get.

Yep, one thing Trump excels at is finding fall guys to blame, and watching the fallout is going to be funny. 

 

An observation on this; if Netanyahu really has some form of compromat on Trump (Epstein related or otherwise), it will be interesting to see how far things may go before he decides he may as well make it public. 

 

 

[Jon the Hat]

25 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Yep, one thing Trump excels at is finding fall guys to blame, and watching the fallout is going to be funny. 

 

An observation on this; if Netanyahu really has some form of compromat on Trump (Epstein related or otherwise), it will be interesting to see how far things may go before he decides he may as well make it public. 

I am not sure I believe he does, I think Trump was just sold on the glory of fixing something no one else could fix, because he is a moron with a massive ego.

[chuck'em]

1 hour ago, RowlattsFox said:

Such a big bi election and just over half the people could be bothered voting. At least spoil your ballot paper.

The result proves how much of a protest vote greens are because they all go back to Labour when it matters. 

 

With restore on the table, reform and Conservatives need to join up and become a less extreme right wing party. I think there is a lot people of people who have centre right views but can't vote for extreme policies. 

Not sure I agree with this. I think the councils elections were a bit of an eye opener for a lot of people with regards to the support reform has. The split in the left vote allowed Reform to make gains in a lot of areas. My local seat was won by reform by 12 votes from the Labour incumbent, and Greens had a decent vote share. People weren't voting greens as a protest, but if you asked the majority the following day if they'd have switched their vote to Labour they'd say yes. The left have realised that a split plays right into Reforms hands and unity is required now. 

 

Incidentally our new Reform councillor has since been in court charged with weapons offences, so hopefully we will get a chance to see how the vote plays out with with a bit of hindsight.

[deep blue]

3 minutes ago, chuck'em said:

Not sure I agree with this. I think the councils elections were a bit of an eye opener for a lot of people with regards to the support reform has. The split in the left vote allowed Reform to make gains in a lot of areas. My local seat was won by reform by 12 votes from the Labour incumbent, and Greens had a decent vote share. People weren't voting greens as a protest, but if you asked the majority the following day if they'd have switched their vote to Labour they'd say yes. The left have realised that a split plays right into Reforms hands and unity is required now. 

 

Incidentally our new Reform councillor has since been in court charged with weapons offences, so hopefully we will get a chance to see how the vote plays out with with a bit of hindsight.

Interesting.  What area of Manchester are you?  I'm with the LibDems in Stockport where we did a good job of holding off the Reform challenge in the recent local elections.

[Sampson]

I don't think greens are a protest vote either. I think they're a clear voice that a certain proportion of the voters are a bit sick of the right wing economic system we've had pretty much unabated in the UK since 1979. While we of course don't know Burnham's policy the fact he's actually talking about more state intervention and you've got Tony Blair calling him far-left because he talked about inequality makes me think he's going to actually offer a more social democrat economic policy more akin to both Labour and the Tories largely believed in 1945-1979 and win back those Labour voters.

 

I'm Portsmouth South and here we have a LibDem run council and usually have LibDem MPs and they're generally very popular here and many like what the LibDems do here on a local level. They swept up here at the locals, we did go Labour for a few years, but I think it'd be hard to shift the LibDems in many of these parts of the country.

 

The Greens and LibDems actually have a 25-30% between them in all the polling. If Labour could win some of those votes back they could still win 2029 but i also dont think its as simple as them being protest votes either. LibDems especially are very popular in certain parts of the country because of their councils and local mps.

 

What would be more interesting would be if Greens and LibDems formed some kind of voter pact either between them or with Labour. I mean there's definitely the votes there to easily beat Reform if they're distributed right. But I think it'd probably mean Labour and LibDems both giving up of the economic policy of Thatcher and Blair and re-finding their social democratic roots.

[Robo61]

2 hours ago, RowlattsFox said:

Such a big bi election and just over half the people could be bothered voting. At least spoil your ballot paper.

The result proves how much of a protest vote greens are because they all go back to Labour when it matters. 

 

With restore on the table, reform and Conservatives need to join up and become a less extreme right wing party. I think there is a lot people of people who have centre right views but can't vote for extreme policies. 

It was also the first by election since 1984 that has had a larger turnout than the most recent GE. 

[chuck'em]

21 minutes ago, deep blue said:

Interesting.  What area of Manchester are you?  I'm with the LibDems in Stockport where we did a good job of holding off the Reform challenge in the recent local elections.

I'm in Trafford, about 100m inside the Davyhulme area unfortunately. It felt like Greens had a genuine chance here and in neighbouring Flixton, but all that happened was it took hundreds of votes away from Labour in both areas. Flixton stayed labour but only by about 20 votes, whilst Greens picked up about 800. I can't see people risking it again.

[leicsmac]

1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said:

I am not sure I believe he does, I think Trump was just sold on the glory of fixing something no one else could fix, because he is a moron with a massive ego.

That's a possibility too. 

[CosbehFox]

@Muzzy_no7

 

Laugh all you want - on the very face of it the two candidates Reform and Restore put out were shambolic. Reform and Restore simply can't get the quality of candidate out. When they put in a by election and they are under scrutiny, everyone works out they are simply not suitable for the job. Alas that's harder to do with an election / local councils but the latter is unravelling at the rate of knots. 

 

Makerfield has a 90% plus British white demographic. They can't pin this like Gorton - they are deseprately trying to say it's a vote against Starmer now as opposed to a rejection of piss poor policy by themselves that has zero direction. For all their money, Reform's tactics are way off the mark. Their MPs and self imposed Zia Gobshite started going about how Burnham can't vote in this by-election. This was the party that went with a Hertfordshire based car salesman type who uses AI to write a book at their previous high profile by-election in Manchester. While only one of their existing standing MPs lives in constituency. 

 

The size of that majority says people in Makerfield were fed up of Young Bob, the 'aduitors' and et al the circus which follows Reform and Restore turning up on their doorstep. Burnham is a public figure who are in the process is scrutinised as a result of that - he's intelligent whilst not coming across as some Eton ****boy

Edited 18 hours ago by CosbehFox

[AKCJ]

The bloke responsible for pushing a toddler into a crocodile enclosure needs to be strung up.

[Bellend Sebastian]

I would totally get behind LCFC binning Filbert off and getting in the fox stood behind Andy Burnham when he gave his victory speech

[ajthefox]

46 minutes ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

I would totally get behind LCFC binning Filbert off and getting in the fox stood behind Andy Burnham when he gave his victory speech

I'm surprised Burnham didn't eat the fox, what with him being such a snake!

[Lionator]

Burnham could be appalling as a PM policy wise but he’d still end up better than Starmer, Sunak, May (robots) and Johnson (donkey) so it wouldn’t be hard to do. 

[LCFCJohn]

BBC stating Reform lead opinion polls. Their boys took a hell of a beating last night and they are trying to justify it 

 

Hopefully it shows that the support Reform had in the local elections was showing that it was people protest voting really wanting reform from the serious parties rather than Reform UK.

[st albans fox]

5 hours ago, AKCJ said:

The bloke responsible for pushing a toddler into a crocodile enclosure needs to be strung up.

Sounds like he’s a special needs person and his carer wasn’t doing their job v well. 
he’s been released on bail because he’s not mentally fit for police interview 

 

raises a lot of questions 

 

 

[goose2010]

43 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Sounds like he’s a special needs person and his carer wasn’t doing their job v well. 
he’s been released on bail because he’s not mentally fit for police interview 

 

raises a lot of questions 

 

 

to be honest the first question for me is why the F in this world do we still allow private Zoo's, why has a bloke in Huntington got Bears and Crocodiles amongst other wild animals. It needs banning, no one should be able to own animals that are capable of killing anyone (certain dog breeds included!). 

 

I'm not saying this couldn't happen at places like Twycross or Chester but serious questions need to be asked. 

[Robo61]

59 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Sounds like he’s a special needs person and his carer wasn’t doing their job v well. 
he’s been released on bail because he’s not mentally fit for police interview 

 

raises a lot of questions 

 

 

Which is why we should never speculate about the complete culpability of any alleged offender until.after trial.

[LCFCJohn]

Sick how some people (right wingers) always want to make it about politics. 
 

On the incident, a couple of thoughts as a parent of a 3 year old, who have annual membership to a local wildlife attraction which has crocs.

 

Whilst it must be a difficult job to care for someone with severe mental health issues, and fair play to those who do it, the carer needs to be investigated for their part in this. It may not have been deliberate negligence but end of the day, they have not done their job properly. We all make mistakes at work but theirs has resulted in a 3 year old child being thrown into crocodiles. It is surreal to even say. My nephew actually got pulled off a swing a bit ago by someone like this (completely different level of incident of course) and my parents who had him at the time said the carer was sat on their phone not paying attention so there are negligent carers out there.

 

The individual themselves. They may not be inherently evil be we don’t know the extent of the mental condition/disability. But, end of the day, that is not everyone else’s problem and they are clearly not safe to be in public. Even if you couldn’t have someone like this in a mainstream prison, they should be kept in a secure hospital/institution.

[Corky]

6 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

@Muzzy_no7

 

Laugh all you want - on the very face of it the two candidates Reform and Restore put out were shambolic. Reform and Restore simply can't get the quality of candidate out. When they put in a by election and they are under scrutiny, everyone works out they are simply not suitable for the job. Alas that's harder to do with an election / local councils but the latter is unravelling at the rate of knots. 

 

Makerfield has a 90% plus British white demographic. They can't pin this like Gorton - they are deseprately trying to say it's a vote against Starmer now as opposed to a rejection of piss poor policy by themselves that has zero direction. For all their money, Reform's tactics are way off the mark. Their MPs and self imposed Zia Gobshite started going about how Burnham can't vote in this by-election. This was the party that went with a Hertfordshire based car salesman type who uses AI to write a book at their previous high profile by-election in Manchester. While only one of their existing standing MPs lives in constituency. 

 

The size of that majority says people in Makerfield were fed up of Young Bob, the 'aduitors' and et al the circus which follows Reform and Restore turning up on their doorstep. Burnham is a public figure who are in the process is scrutinised as a result of that - he's intelligent whilst not coming across as some Eton ****boy

Beyond the leader, despite the fact I think he is a charlatan I admit he is a polished performer, you are going to get many "bloke you'd avoid in a pub" types. Forming a Government is a monumental task- you have to organise trade deals, security pacts, international as well as domestic affairs, and you need a minimum of 326 to operate. They need to be scrutinised and analysed because they will play a very prominent role in people's lives. You'll see with the local councils what effect it will have.

[CosbehFox]

33 minutes ago, Corky said:

Beyond the leader, despite the fact I think he is a charlatan I admit he is a polished performer, you are going to get many "bloke you'd avoid in a pub" types. Forming a Government is a monumental task- you have to organise trade deals, security pacts, international as well as domestic affairs, and you need a minimum of 326 to operate. They need to be scrutinised and analysed because they will play a very prominent role in people's lives. You'll see with the local councils what effect it will have.

I’ve thought this for a long time and in addition Restore are an absolute pain on the ground when it comes to electioneering while taking a big factor away in having Musk’s support. Doing tricks like having a van saying Muslims for Reform while having a bunch of idiots, hoping for something to happen because their social media accounts need the grift. Their supporters love all that content until it’s actually on their front lawn. 
 

I think Farage is 12 months from quitting Reform. He’s never wanted to be PM. The nearer to the top means the less money to make. While I think the former Tories start to realise how novice the whole organisation and set up is. The right wing is look like Corbyn era Labour here - tearing themselves apart.

[leicsmac]

Ben-Gvir being charming and advocating for thousandfold disproportionate response in Lebanon, then. 

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

Ben-Gvir being charming and advocating for thousandfold disproportionate response in Lebanon, then. 

There’s an election coming mac 

he knows which way the wind is blowing 

it’s rhetoric for his base - he has no say over the military 

 

him and his mate smotrich are going to be struggling to go abroad on holiday for a considerable time! 

[nnfox]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy8dy2pr8ymt

 

Reports of a train crash on the London to Leicester line.  Hopefully not as bad as it potentially could be.  Thoughts to those involved.

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, nnfox said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy8dy2pr8ymt

 

Reports of a train crash on the London to Leicester line.  Hopefully not as bad as it potentially could be.  Thoughts to those involved.

It really doesn't sound great. 

[Wymsey]

3 minutes ago, nnfox said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy8dy2pr8ymt

 

Reports of a train crash on the London to Leicester line.  Hopefully not as bad as it potentially could be.  Thoughts to those involved.

It's quite a rarity in this country, for the industry, for this type of incident to happen.

 

Obviously hope both trains were not at high-speed and that no passengers were on-board..

Edited 10 hours ago by Wymsey