Pro-Dyche or Anti-Dyche?

[FrankieADZ]

6 minutes ago, Gazza M said:

Pro Dyche. Would be a massive upgrade on Van Nistlerooy. I don't buy in to this anti youth business either. He gets the job done and ultimately has been a success at Burnley and Everton. I think he will play Monga and Nelson for sure. He would be a fool not to as they are going to rip it up in the Championship. 

success at Everton, nah come on now

its not anti youth, he plays them here and there, but he does seem to favour the older player,

he rarely dips into YTS of clubs hes at

 

as said the massive issue is hes good friends with rudkin

wonder how many pro dyche fans want rudkin out too

Edited 23 June 2025 by FrankieADZ

[coolhandfox]

15 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Surely there were youngsters at Burnley and Everton that he helped bring through? 

 

I can't think of many attacking players he developed, he'd probably be good for the like of Nelson.

 

Can you name many attacking players he developed? Most of our young talent is attacking minded. 

 

Just limited thinking to bring him in. 

Edited 23 June 2025 by coolhandfox

[FrankieADZ]

2 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

 

I can't think of many attacking players he developed, he'd probably be good for the like of Nelson.

 

Can you name many attacking players he developed? Most of our you talent is attacking minded. 

 

Just limited thinking to bring him in. 

only one would be mcneil, and thats it in an attacking sense(thru the yts)

 

that is pretty concerning 

Edited 23 June 2025 by FrankieADZ

[davieG]

45 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Football has changed hugely since Cov were last in the PL though.

 

It's sadly, very sadly, got to the point where just being in the PL has its rewards.

 

I don't want to yo-yo. I want to be back in the PL with the opportunity to at least compete. I want stability with ambition. Dyche at least gives us a very decent go at getting promoted. He has a proven track record of taking Burnley up to the PL when they were favourites for relegation. 

 

I was (and probably still am) up for Danny Rohl coming in and if we get promoted with exciting attacking football that's great. But what's next season? I'm not a fan of yo-yoing just because we're known for it. It's not the way to be.

 

Dyche is more in the Pearson-mould when it comes to a bit of a old-school leader. Probably someone that this group of players needs, and someone who can probably re-build in some way. Okay he might favour the older-style player, but is he likely to get the best out of them? Yes. I doubt he's just going to cast-off all youngsters for the sake of it. 

I don't want to yoyo either but I see no future in Dyche I'd sooner a manager with potential to improve and develop and have to be fighting off bigger clubs to hold onto them that' will never be the case with Dyche the one thing you can guarantee with him is that we'll have to sack him sooner or later . He simply doesn't offer a future.

I see no fundamental difference between the type of manager you recruit and the players they need to add value and potential.

 

Dyche = Ayew and Bobby Reid. If they don't save you you're stuck with them.

[StanSP]

3 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

 

I can't think of many attacking players he developed, he'd probably be good for the like of Nelson.

 

Can you name many attacking players he developed? Most of our you talent is attacking minded. 

 

Just limited thinking to bring him in. 

The obvious one is McNeil.

 

And I take the point that it's more defensive players that have come through.

 

Vokes and Ings were young when Dyche went to Burnley.

 

Agree there's not a lot!

[StanSP]

1 minute ago, davieG said:

I don't want to yoyo either but I see no future in Dyche I'd sooner a manager with potential to improve and develop and have to be fighting off bigger clubs to hold onto them that' will never be the case with Dyche the one thing you can guarantee with him is that we'll have to sack him sooner or later . He simply doesn't offer a future.

I see no fundamental difference between the type of manager you recruit and the players they need to add value and potential.

 

Dyche = Ayew and Bobby Reid. If they don't save you you're stuck with them.

I think it's very basic to go down the Dyche = Reid/Ayew angle.

 

As for having a manager with potential to improve and fight off bigger clubs - I get that, and I see your point. But unless we have excellent succession planning (we don't), then we're just looking at more instability. Maresca comes in, gets us promoted, gets nabbed by Chelsea. It's hard to get that stability when a good manager gets poached.

[Jacob7839]

Bit of both to be honest 

[AjcW]

6 minutes ago, FrankieADZ said:

only one would be mcneil, and thats it in an attacking sense(thru the yts)

 

that is pretty concerning 

 

1 minute ago, StanSP said:

The obvious one is McNeil.

 

And I take the point that it's more defensive players that have come through.

 

Vokes and Ings were young when Dyche went to Burnley.

 

Agree there's not a lot!

McNeil is a myth.

Jordan Ayew has more goals from the wing than him in the same time period, including last season  

[davieG]

1 minute ago, StanSP said:

I think it's very basic to go down the Dyche = Reid/Ayew angle.

 

As for having a manager with potential to improve and fight off bigger clubs - I get that, and I see your point. But unless we have excellent succession planning (we don't), then we're just looking at more instability. Maresca comes in, gets us promoted, gets nabbed by Chelsea. It's hard to get that stability when a good manager gets poached.

That's because the club have messed up the finances and  getting Cooper rather proves my point when we needed someone to follow Maresca's style. I don't  believe there was no one out there, even if they were relatively inexperienced who wouldn't have jumped at the chance to manage a Premier League team and on a lot less than Cooper. 

[StanSP]

5 minutes ago, AjcW said:

 

McNeil is a myth.

Jordan Ayew has more goals from the wing than him in the same time period, including last season  

Can you not trample on my argument please? 

 

It should be illegal to use Ayew as evidence as well. 

Edited 23 June 2025 by StanSP

[cityfanlee23]

Not my first choice but I do like him and think he is a solution to many of the off pitch problems we face, he's clearly a manager, not just a head coach and I think he would probably build a good foundation for us going forward, I'd take him but there are a few ahead of him.

[Tommy Fresh]

No doubt he'd do a job this season for us, but getting relegated again actually gives us a chance to try and get ourselves in order. 

[LestaLad]

Anti. 

Plays boring, defensive football. Doesn’t develop youth. Signs aging players. Friends with Rudkin so if we do start doing awful it would take longer than it took for us to sack Rodgers to sack him.

It’s just a boring appointment which doesn’t get me excited about the next season one bit. 

 

[AjcW]

I don't find it odd the amount of managers who cut their teath at youth level, who then turn out to be alergic to develop/give young players a chance

 

The only positive most of us clung on to last pre season was Cooper's time with England U17's, but the reality couldn't have been further from that.

 

Dyche himself a former academy manager who has never made that a focus of his managerial career.

Wonder if there's any particular reasoning. 

[Gazza M]

31 minutes ago, FrankieADZ said:

success at Everton, nah come on now

its not anti youth, he plays them here and there, but he does seem to favour the older player,

he rarely dips into YTS of clubs hes at

 

as said the massive issue is hes good friends with rudkin

wonder how many pro dyche fans want rudkin out too

Success at Everton was keeping them safe in 22-23 at our expense. Then keeping them ticking along in the points deduction saga of the following season. I think he handled it well. 

 

[Bert]

Where’s the option of neither for or against? 

Edited 23 June 2025 by Bert

[filbertway]

Anti.

 

The guy is a top bloke, but as a manager of the club I support, I could not stand watching the absolute dirge he serves up.

[MGLCFC]

Anti.

Want a forward thinking manager.

[filbertway]

1-0 up against Oxford in the 60th minute. Dyche removes a winger for a full back and striker for a CB.

 

We then play a 6 4 0 for the remaining 30 minutes and have to withstand a barrage of pressure that never had to exist.

 

The Dyche way.

[LFEFox23]

I'd say I'm neither, he doesn't excite me but I'm not totally against it....

 

 

[kingfox]

I think he gets harshly criticised in certain aspects, but in terms of style of play and his habit of relying on many experienced players, I’m Anti-Dyche. 
 

When the average age of our squad needs decreasing, if his history is anything to go by, he’ll probably increase it. 

[splinterdream]

I think you need an option of unsure or not arsed. I don't think Dyche is a bad appointment, but i think there are better, so i'm neither pro or anti

[Number 6]

I think he'd have us in the promotion conversation but it would be painful to watch and would limit us in terms of longer term progression. Anti.

[The Horse's Mouth]

1 hour ago, davieG said:

If you're pro you're voting for this

 

Your future with Dyche assuming he can get us promoted is lower league stagnation or more relegation. I'd sooner take a risk and see some exciting attacking football occasionally hitting the high spots even if it means we continue to yoyo, that is more in the Leicester style. I'm not a fan of the 'Coventry' ( 25 years or so fighting against relegation) style stagnation in the lower half of the league.

You want to be a yo-yo club rather than get a gaffer who could come in and take us to lower league stagnation when we’d be able to attract a far better manger at that period and be able to potentially build to where we once was? 
 

I will never understand the mentality of people like you 

[SecretPro]

I don't know how, having seen the turnaround at Everton after his exit and seen his refusal to use youth (when in the coming season we will have some promising youth talent to utilise or some absolutely abysmal senior players) anybody can vote pro to be honest.