Pro-Dyche or Anti-Dyche?

[CosbehFox]

2 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

Vokes had played 100 league games before he signed Burnley. 

Plenty examples of Dyche wanting young players to play upwards of 50 plus games before he starts fielding them. 

[CosbehFox]

3 hours ago, Haywood_6 said:

Beyond Tarkowski, McNeil, Lowton, and Taylor it’s slim pickings. His football isn’t enjoyable, it’s not attractive and it won’t get the best out of our young talent. Anti

Tarkowski had played over 140 games for Oldham & Brentford by the time he joined Burnley. 

 

Matt Lowton over 150 for Sheffield United & Aston Villa

 

Taylor over 120 for Leeds & Fleetwood. 

 

I don't doubt he didn't have much to use from at Burnley or Everton but there was a time when he appeared to have no problem taking a gamble on young players such as Ings and Gray, that looked to have dried up largely. 

[Tuna]

He'll get us up, and he won't be coming here to fail.

 

Still not 100% this is a done deal, however.

[STUHILL]

The Football club is a mess. Dyche strikes me as someone who would take us back to basics and get a squad working hard and setting standards, that we have drifted from since Pearson left. I also don't think he would take any crap from Top and Rudkin. He is arrogant but not in the way Rodgers was. 

 

If Rohl comes, then there will be more excitement due to the unknown factor, like there was with Maresca and RVN at the time. However, if it is Dyche, then I will feel more confident that he will get us promoted, not with style and probably only by dragging us up with grit and determination, but I would be surprised if he didn't find a way. 

 

I'd take either, for very different reasons. 

[Joe90]

Yea pro, we are in such a position now were we certainly won’t get much better, Dyche has got clubs promoted before and also kept clubs up, some of the shite we have really need kicking into shape!! Dyche has that Pearson swagger to him, which didn’t end to bad did it 

Edited 23 June 2025 by Joe90

[FrankieADZ]

5 minutes ago, STUHILL said:

The Football club is a mess. Dyche strikes me as someone who would take us back to basics and get a squad working hard and setting standards, that we have drifted from since Pearson left. I also don't think he would take any crap from Top and Rudkin. He is arrogant but not in the way Rodgers was. 

 

If Rohl comes, then there will be more excitement due to the unknown factor, like there was with Maresca and RVN at the time. However, if it is Dyche, then I will feel more confident that he will get us promoted, not with style and probably only by dragging us up with grit and determination, but I would be surprised if he didn't find a way. 

 

I'd take either, for very different reasons. 

given hes good friends with Rudkin, you honestly think they are going to have cross words, more likely to get more his way

it will end in disater, if Rudkin wasnt DoF then id feel more at ease

[filbertway]

Dyche is the manager our fanbase deserves to be fair.

 

Dyche and Rudkin cosying up, celebratory drinks after our 6th successive 0-0 draw. Top laughing it up at his polo dates. Gonna be class!

[teblin]

1 minute ago, FrankieADZ said:

given hes good friends with Rudkin, you honestly think they are going to have cross words, more likely to get more his way

it will end in disater, if Rudkin wasnt DoF then id feel more at ease

Yep that could be the case, but also because he knows Rudkin it might mean he feels he can be more candid that others might.

[Finnegan]

JFC our fanbase

[Spanner73]

Pro if he gets Rudkin round the throat and threatens to throw him over the Upperton Road bridge “if you don’t get me some decent players you c*** “ 

Angry Phil Mitchell style 

[STUHILL]

8 minutes ago, FrankieADZ said:

given hes good friends with Rudkin, you honestly think they are going to have cross words, more likely to get more his way

it will end in disater, if Rudkin wasnt DoF then id feel more at ease

To be honest, I think it is irrelevant if he is friends with Rudkin. Listening to Dyche all these years (painfully), I don't think he would mince his words with friends or players. He seems an old school type Manager who will call you all sorts, and then expect a beer afterwards. 

 

There seems to be a common theme with our recent Managers, where they have been misled by Top and Rudkin on available funds/finances and potential transfers, we saw it with Maresca and seeing it again with RVN. I don't see Dyche being misled in the same way, personally. 

[Groby_Blue]

Dyche might not be what we want, but he might ne what we need. 

 

Having said that, I voted no. 

[fox_favourite]

Where's the Meh answer. I can see why he would be good, but can also see why people wouldn't want him. 

 

Splinters, me 

[Corky]

No. Football is generally dire, seems close to Rudkin when the last thing we need is him getting more influence and his last season at this level was 10 years ago- his mindset as a manager has shifted away from winning 60-70% of matches.

[OadbyBlue]

I like him, he’s had a good career, but he’d be a bad fit for us and our current squad and needs. We need someone who’s not afraid to prioritise youth and development, someone with a track record of developing players.

Dyche signs players who can “do a job” but won’t find us players we can sell on for a big fee down the line, as well as blocking the talented youngsters we have currently from a first team chance.

[Monk]

Our squad is a mess

We have no money

We may have a points deduction and or transfer embargo

We have a bloated wage bill and misaligned contracts. 

The club is extremely unpopular with the fan base

We are in desperate need of stability - a manager who can be here for 3 years, rebuild trust in the club, get us back to an established premier league team. 
 

Who knows, Rohl may well end up being the better choice here but he is certainly a bigger gamble than Dyche who has done this before, actively wants the job, and is less likely to jump ship if he becomes a maresca esq media darling. 
 

It depends on what question you are trying to answer - if it’s ’who will stabilise the club, overhaul the squad and get us back to prem mid table’ I’d choose Dyche every day. If you want excitement and risk then go with Rohl. 
 

But after the shit show of the last 3 seasons I would definitely choose stability and overhaul. 

[Dahnsouff]

Looks like a Brexit vote, and we know how that went.

Edited 23 June 2025 by Dahnsouff

[JimJams]

At one end of the pitch he's a pro, because our defence has been utter shit for a number of years now and he can at least get the defenders functioning properly.  At the interesting end of the pitch, major cons.  It might have been sour grapes but DCL was pretty critical of their relentless defensive training and not working on the attack.

On an optimistic note we should be better defensively and from set pieces at both ends of the pitch.  So in terms of the defensive players, he could be a positive appointment.  He should get improvements out of Nelson, Okoli and Souttar.  Fullbacks who knows.  Depends what he'd task them with.

At the other end of the pitch, the end where we have a lot of young, exciting prospects, there's a massive worry about how he would utilise them.  He's never been much for exciting wingers, players who can take on and beat a man, and that's what we all want to see, but he might not.

The thing with Dyche is he's never really been given much to work with budget wise, so it's always been difficult to tell if you could get more out of him if he was able to buy a better level of player.  Now we don't really have that either at the moment, but he will already have a squad with superior players talent wise to the majority of the division.

If it is to be Dyche I'd really hope that he's been given the task of not only getting us back up but to make as much use of our young players as possible, to the point of it being a condition of his appointment.

[murphy]

I aaam an anti-Dyche! 

 

[davieG]

2 hours ago, indierich06 said:

Let's be honest, any manager we appoint is getting sacked and paid off at some point unless - like Enzo - they are poached by another club. 

Of course but with Dyche it’s guaranteed where as you have hope with an up and coming manager that if he’s poached it’s because he’s done a cracking job. 

[Nalis]

On the fence

Edited 23 June 2025 by Nalis

[STUHILL]

19 minutes ago, Monk said:

Our squad is a mess

We have no money

We may have a points deduction and or transfer embargo

We have a bloated wage bill and misaligned contracts. 

The club is extremely unpopular with the fan base

We are in desperate need of stability - a manager who can be here for 3 years, rebuild trust in the club, get us back to an established premier league team. 
 

Who knows, Rohl may well end up being the better choice here but he is certainly a bigger gamble than Dyche who has done this before, actively wants the job, and is less likely to jump ship if he becomes a maresca esq media darling. 
 

It depends on what question you are trying to answer - if it’s ’who will stabilise the club, overhaul the squad and get us back to prem mid table’ I’d choose Dyche every day. If you want excitement and risk then go with Rohl. 
 

But after the shit show of the last 3 seasons I would definitely choose stability and overhaul. 

Pretty much where I am at. 

I just can't envisage Dyche not being able to get us promoted in 1-2 seasons. 

I'd love to think Rohl could come in and do the job, but I don't think we can afford for another Manager to go wrong. I suspect we may only have one or two shots at getting back to the Premier League, due to the ever growing gap between the leagues and the increasing amount of Billionaire owners. 

[davieG]

People compare him to Pearson but Pearson had a superb backing team especially in recruitment and an owner who respected and believed in him. 
None of that exists for Dyche he’d be working in a vacuum with his only support a sycophantic failing DOF and with all his dated ideas

Rhol for example has shown he can succeed in a toxic environment. 
I agree neither can guarantee success, no one can but I know what type of appointment would give me the  greatest hope of success and enjoyment. 

[Lambert09]

2 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

Tarkowski had played over 140 games for Oldham & Brentford by the time he joined Burnley. 

 

Matt Lowton over 150 for Sheffield United & Aston Villa

 

Taylor over 120 for Leeds & Fleetwood. 

 

I don't doubt he didn't have much to use from at Burnley or Everton but there was a time when he appeared to have no problem taking a gamble on young players such as Ings and Gray, that looked to have dried up largely. 

I think the only way this argument can be validated is if someone has examples of who he left out. What youth player didnt get a chance that should have? Who got chances when he left, or quit the club and reached a higher level?  Quite simply, if there are no examples of this, then its just good management. You play youth because they are good enough not just for the sake of it. I cant think of anyone who necessarily had a path blocked off the top of my head?

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

He could be a personality type that we need, will instil discipline and sort all that side of things out. I’m not convinced he’ll suit the squad, but then again I’d be willing to give him a go for the aforementioned reasons. But if he neglects the likes of Fatawu, Mavididi, Monga etc and opts for BDCR and Ayew etc then I would turn very quickly and so would others. 
 

On balance I’d say yes, just.