Bilal El Khannouss loaned to Stuttgart - Official

[Pita]

9 minutes ago, ousefox said:

There's no way we made a loss on him. We have ****ing morons in charge but I refuse to believe anyone is that moronic.

You are talking about Rudkin the worst DOR ever 

[fazzyfox]

I'm just surprised there would be a trigger clause for less than we paid. If he, his agent and us agreed he was a promising young player worth what we're paying at the time why would we set his future sale fee to be less than that? I would have thought 5 million more would be more appropriate. I get all the amortization stuff that it'll be OK on the books etc now but shouldn't we have been looking beyond that and look to make a profit if he leaves (at the time of writing the clause), particularly when they haven't stuck to their part of the bargain and stuck around to play for us for the duration of the contract? No clause no signing perhaps but we've given him a years showcase in the PL and jokes aside about the rest of the hopeless mob, he would have benefited greatly from the experience of playing behind Vardy, not many young footballers get to serve their initiation around a legend. Maybe the truth is we need him to go, we need the money and he doesn't want to be here. Such a shame that around 16 months ago I was saying with Hermansen, Khannous and Fatawu we had a young trio who could be our future for several years to come. 

[South Shire Fox]

The fact people believe Sports Witness as a reliable source is hilarious. Wasnt it widely reported last summer the deal was worth 25 million euros? At the bare minimum we will have broken even 

[HankMarvin]

29 minutes ago, South Shire Fox said:

The fact people believe Sports Witness as a reliable source is hilarious. Wasnt it widely reported last summer the deal was worth 25 million euros? At the bare minimum we will have broken even 

They are posting a story for Bild and a few other German sources sayings it’s 20m euros including the loan fee

[Gamble92]

Doesn't really add up that if he had a release clause we were sat there dictating where he goes and with all these clauses. Unless all the bids were below the clause value. 

 

I think it was well documented that Crystal Palace were going to go for him and decided against it. 

[sm1]

We're so brassic, every clubs going to take the piss. I wouldn't be surprised with Rudkin in charge, if what's written about El Khannous is true.

[CornwallFox]

8 hours ago, jayfox26 said:

So we've made a loss on him. If so, that's absolutely fcking ridiculous, yet not surprising. Only we could spend a fortune on a player who actually does well and looks like they have potential to be a decent player, only to sell them 2 years later for a loss. Given his age and potential, we should have never agreed such a low obligation fee. More great work from Rudkin. 

 

7 hours ago, jayfox26 said:

No, id expect us to at least sell him for what we paid for him.

 

7 hours ago, jayfox26 said:

Given his form for Stuttgart, we easily could have at least got back what we paid. Im pretty sure Stuttgart feel they've got a great deal. Hopefully he continues doing well and they sell him on and we make a bit more back in a sell on fee. 

 

Whilst we may be in the shit, given we have limited players in our squad with any value, we should be making the most of the ones we do have and getting as much money as possible for them.

 

6 hours ago, BrilliantFox said:

Some absolute muppets in this thread saying the selling price is tolerable.

 

Tyler Dibling a much worse player who played for a worse team that was relegated, was sold for 60 million.

 

Yet you have buffoons talking about breaking even being normal? Fans like yourselves deserve the club the state its in. Pure masochism.

 

6 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

I presumed we'd got a big loan fee this season for the permanent deal to only be €18m. This is staggering, might be our worst transfer outgoing yet, which takes some doing.

 

6 hours ago, ousefox said:

There's no way we made a loss on him. We have ****ing morons in charge but I refuse to believe anyone is that moronic.

Guys, you're living in Dreamland. We can't afford to keep him so need him to leave, he doesn't want to play for us anymore, we've apparently limited his options, that's absolutely no way we hold any cards here. Let's just be pleased we've covered his cost once you take year one out. 

[Sly]

Questionable attitude and appears to down tools when he isn’t getting his own way.

 

Slammed us whenever he could on social media / press.

 

Supposed bad apple.

Refused to train to get his transfer from Genk to us. Similar story with us to Stuttgart.

 

Half hearted performances. 

 

Technically very good. However not worth the headache, wages and toxic attitude to keep someone that doesn’t want to be here. Either get on board or FO. 
 

We were always best cashing in and getting rid of him. At least we’ve recouped what we paid. 
 

All in all, I’d rate this transfer on par with Soumare, Kristiansen, Daka, etc to be honest. Just a total disappointment and really flattered to deceive. 

[Claudio Fannieri]

8 minutes ago, Sly said:

Questionable attitude and appears to down tools when he isn’t getting his own way.

 

Slammed us whenever he could on social media / press.

 

Supposed bad apple.

Refused to train to get his transfer from Genk to us. Similar story with us to Stuttgart.

 

Half hearted performances. 

 

Technically very good. However not worth the headache, wages and toxic attitude to keep someone that doesn’t want to be here. Either get on board or FO. 
 

We were always best cashing in and getting rid of him. At least we’ve recouped what we paid. 
 

All in all, I’d rate this transfer on par with Soumare, Kristiansen, Daka, etc to be honest. Just a total disappointment and really flattered to deceive. 

I think it just goes to prove the importance of doing due diligence on the players background and character as much as scouting technical ability. 
 

Pearson was excellent at signing good eggs. Yes he did make mistakes but quickly rectified them or found a way to get the player onside. 
 

If you look at our recruitment over the last 4 years it’s littered with signings who don’t seem the right fit in terms of personality and would suggest some very lazy and stale recruitment, players such as JV, Soumare, VK, Winks, BEK you could even add Faes into the equation. 

[Sly]

2 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

I think it just goes to prove the importance of doing due diligence on the players background and character as much as scouting technical ability. 
 

Pearson was excellent at signing good eggs. Yes he did make mistakes but quickly rectified them or found a way to get the player onside. 
 

If you look at our recruitment over the last 4 years it’s littered with signings who don’t seem the right fit in terms of personality and would suggest some very lazy and stale recruitment, players such as JV, Soumare, VK, Winks, BEK you could even add Faes into the equation. 

Fully agree. 
 

When building any team, we all know it’s not just about ability, you need to blend cultures, attitudes, talent, egos etc. 

 

It seems we have just been in contact with agents and scouted ability. That wasn’t our model at one point like you say. 
 

A team that works together, will always out perform a load of individuals.

 

 

[Reginaldo]

If my maths is right, 24.3 million euros we paid for him on a four year. 12.15 million euros left on book and sold for 21.5 million euros ( including loan fee). 9 million euro (£7.7 million) profit is decent for someone who wanted out. Plus a sell on fee might generate a bit in the future.

[shen]

30 minutes ago, Reginaldo said:

If my maths is right, 24.3 million euros we paid for him on a four year. 12.15 million euros left on book and sold for 21.5 million euros ( including loan fee). 9 million euro (£7.7 million) profit is decent for someone who wanted out. Plus a sell on fee might generate a bit in the future.

It's a 'profit' in PSR terms, but a loss in absolute terms. Pretty poor considering we expected to sell him on for profit and lost his services for a season.

[LCFCJohn]

2 hours ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

I think it just goes to prove the importance of doing due diligence on the players background and character as much as scouting technical ability. 
 

Pearson was excellent at signing good eggs. Yes he did make mistakes but quickly rectified them or found a way to get the player onside. 
 

If you look at our recruitment over the last 4 years it’s littered with signings who don’t seem the right fit in terms of personality and would suggest some very lazy and stale recruitment, players such as JV, Soumare, VK, Winks, BEK you could even add Faes into the equation. 

And then even players who aren’t bad eggs we have signed I would say have been not particularly strong mentally in terms of digging in and keeping their heads up in difficult times. I’m thinking players like Fatawu, Mavididi, Hermansen from Maresca’s time and going back before, the likes of Maddison. 
 

Jordan James is the one but it’s a shame we only have him for one season. That is the type of character we want. 
 

We desperately need more like him. He’s a Pearson player. We miss the characters like Kasper, Wes, Huth, Fuchs.

[Grebfromgrebland]

Doesn't it depend on how we get paid. If it's in one go see have actually money to spend. If it's in installments it's less good?

[ceebeefox]

2 hours ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

I think it just goes to prove the importance of doing due diligence on the players background and character as much as scouting technical ability. 
 

Pearson was excellent at signing good eggs. Yes he did make mistakes but quickly rectified them or found a way to get the player onside. 
 

If you look at our recruitment over the last 4 years it’s littered with signings who don’t seem the right fit in terms of personality and would suggest some very lazy and stale recruitment, players such as JV, Soumare, VK, Winks, BEK you could even add Faes into the equation. 

Agree with this, man management apart, which is vitally important, coaches are ten a penny, they all go on the same courses. Thinking outside the box and spending the money on the top scouts and recruiting must be the way forward? Look at Brentford for gods sake, who’s finding their diamonds? And they promoted a coach from the boot room. We need to poach some of these recruiters and spend more on the back room.

[Stadt]

Just now, ceebeefox said:

Agree with this, man management apart, which is vitally important, coaches are ten a penny, they all go on the same courses. Thinking outside the box and spending the money on the top scouts and recruiting must be the way forward? Look at Brentford for gods sake, who’s finding their diamonds? And they promoted a coach from the boot room. We need to poach some of these recruiters and spend more on the back room.

Brentford are institutionally smart, it’s their systems and processes rather than their scouts and analysts. They have a smart owner who made his fortune using football data to beat the gambling markets.

 

Top & Rudkin couldn’t find an edge at Leicester market.

[Reg Vardy]

Said it before, players are only worth what someone will pay……add to the likely drop in the players commitment for not being allowed to go, looks a decent “business” deal……not necessarily a decent “football” deal.

The same sellers have got good prices for the likes of Justin, Macareer etc ( allegedly, as nobody on here really knows….do they?)

[jayfox26]

6 hours ago, CornwallFox said:

 

 

 

 

 

Guys, you're living in Dreamland. We can't afford to keep him so need him to leave, he doesn't want to play for us anymore, we've apparently limited his options, that's absolutely no way we hold any cards here. Let's just be pleased we've covered his cost once you take year one out. 

So why did we limit his options? Other teams seem to get good money for their players, and so did we until a few years ago. Nobody signs a player that does well and sells them for a loss 2 years later. I understand its not a loss on terms of prs, but it also doesnt help in anyway to alleviate the clubs financial issues or towards any new players in the summer. Im not suggesting we should have got £40m for him or anywhere near that, but at the least we should have got what we paid. 

[CornwallFox]

2 minutes ago, jayfox26 said:

So why did we limit his options? Other teams seem to get good money for their players, and so did we until a few years ago. Nobody signs a player that does well and sells them for a loss 2 years later. I understand its not a loss on terms of prs, but it also doesnt help in anyway to alleviate the clubs financial issues or towards any new players in the summer. Im not suggesting we should have got £40m for him or anywhere near that, but at the least we should have got what we paid. 

What if nobody is prepared to pay what we paid? Why would they when they know we have PSR problems and need shot of our high earners? People just need to accept it and move on imo. 

Edited 12 March by CornwallFox

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Life under King Power goes on.

[ALC Fox]

Getting back almost what we paid with him having run down two years in his contract probably isn't the end of the world.

 

It sticks in the craw because we know he's good in the Premier League and been really good for Stuttgart.

 

We know how much good PL players can go for.

 

It would have been better if Bilal's form would have opened up a bidding war but either (a) he had no other proper suitors (hard to believe), (b) we agreed the fee at the time of the loan and Stuttgart have triggered it so they can sell him on for a profit in the summer, or (c) he's happy at Stuttgart and wants to stay there.

 

The sell-on clause should bump up the money received when he does move on and hopefully he'll still be ripping it up when they do.

 

Considering his book value is surely less than the fee we've received, it's one of those little bit disappointing but could've been worse kind of sales.

[Stadt]

How much evidence of incompetence do some need before they stop siding or giving the club the benefit of the doubt?  

 

I flat out refuse to believe that Stuttgart would only have stretched to £20m or whatever, they'd just sold Woltemade for big money. It's like Rudkin doesn't actually know you can negotiate.

 

 

 

Look at the money they got for Bednarek, "Amo-Ameyaw", Onauchu, Edwards and ABK, never mind the top two who'd done nothing to justify those fees. If we had Southampton's players we'd have gotten closer to half of those fees. We sold Barnes and maddison for about £75m and they're England internationals with 59 and 75 PL goals contributions between them. Dibling and Fernandes had 2 & 6 respectively!

 

 

[Reg Vardy]

4 minutes ago, Stadt said:

How much evidence of incompetence do some need before they stop siding or giving the club the benefit of the doubt?  

 

I flat out refuse to believe that Stuttgart would only have stretched to £20m or whatever, they'd just sold Woltemade for big money. It's like Rudkin doesn't actually know you can negotiate.

 

 

 

Look at the money they got for Bednarek, "Amo-Ameyaw", Onauchu, Edwards and ABK, never mind the top two who'd done nothing to justify those fees. If we had Southampton's players we'd have gotten closer to half of those fees. We sold Barnes and maddison for about £75m and they're England internationals with 59 and 75 PL goals contributions between them. Dibling and Fernandes had 2 & 6 respectively!

 

 

We got more for Justin…..

[Stadt]

13 minutes ago, Reg Vardy said:

We got more for Justin…..

What did we get?

[jayfox26]

1 hour ago, CornwallFox said:

What if nobody is prepared to pay what we paid? Why would they when they know we have PSR problems and need shot of our high earners? People just need to accept it and move on imo. 

I dont like this attitude of "just accept it". The club is being burnt to the ground and there is zero accountability at any level of the club? Can we as fans do anything about transfers? Absolutely not. But what we can, and everyone should be doing, is protesting to try and force out these useless people in charge. Why have many of our fans become accepting of utterly appalling standards at every level of the club?