Gary Rowett

[Soar Fox]

I really liked the appointment of Rowett. Thought he would be good for us and would be the man to keep us up. But the persisting of playing Jordan Ayew is a massive red flag, if he continues to play him the fans in the ground will also turn on him. The most baffling decision is dropping Daka for him just as he’d scored the game before. 

[Haywood_6]

Ayew should never start a football match for us again. In football the defence starts from the front - the fans just want to see the players putting the effort in and trying. If you haven't got the ball, press and make life difficult for the opposition. Ayew is slow and laboured in everything he does. If energy is lacking up front that puts more pressure on the midfield and defence. It's not rocket science.

 

One long ball over the top of our defence - goal

A poor pass into our box which is going straight into the keepers hands - goal 

One corner hung up in the air on the six yard line - goal

 

QPR hardly had to work hard for the win did they? 

 

I think we have slightly improved under Rowett he's an experienced coach who talks sense but the bottom line is - this group of players won't perform consistently. They don't defend well enough at this level under any manager. We've conceded 60 goals this season, only Wednesday have conceded more and only kept 4 clean sheets in 38 games. Recruitment is everything in football and we've got it so badly wrong - it's not just a lack of quality - our players simply won't do the hard yards and they are mentally weak. If something goes against this group, they can't pick themselves up and go again. They just give up.

 

We're so badly run it's a joke. There's no excuses for KP - the evidence is on the pitch for all to see.

[oundlefox]

He drinks a whiskey drink
He drinks a Vodka drink
He drinks a Lager drink
He drinks a cider drink

He sings the songs that remind him of the good times
He sings the songs that remind him of the better times

[old koppite]

10 minutes ago, Haywood_6 said:

Ayew should never start a football match for us again. In football the defence starts from the front - the fans just want to see the players putting the effort in and trying. If you haven't got the ball, press and make life difficult for the opposition. Ayew is slow and laboured in everything he does. If energy is lacking up front that puts more pressure on the midfield and defence. It's not rocket science.

 

One long ball over the top of our defence - goal

A poor pass into our box which is going straight into the keepers hands - goal 

One corner hung up in the air on the six yard line - goal

 

QPR hardly had to work hard for the win did they? 

 

I think we have slightly improved under Rowett he's an experienced coach who talks sense but the bottom line is - this group of players won't perform consistently. They don't defend well enough at this level under any manager. We've conceded 60 goals this season, only Wednesday have conceded more and only kept 4 clean sheets in 38 games. Recruitment is everything in football and we've got it so badly wrong - it's not just a lack of quality - our players simply won't do the hard yards and they are mentally weak. If something goes against this group, they can't pick themselves up and go again. They just give up.

 

We're so badly run it's a joke. There's no excuses for KP - the evidence is on the pitch for all to see.

Completely agree. 
We have too many players who think that as they have better skills and tricks  than the opposition, our lot don’t need to work hard and still do the basics correctly for the whole game. Those games we’ve lost points in when we had “ the better team on paper” I’ve said each time the opponents were simply bigger, physical , determined  and hard  working athletes. 

[Edingleyfox]

You can’t blame Rowett for individual mistakes. I think Rowett needs to focus on players than can pass  the ball forwards  so Ricardo Winks  back in and Daka up front. I think too much time is being spent thinking how to protect the centre backs rather than playing to our strengths with the limited flair we have. You risk creating very little and we may still concede as happened yesterday. Having said this not sure why Lascelles wasn’t given some time yesterday I’m sure his experience will be invaluable if he is fit. 

[whoareyaaa]

It’s a common trend with this group of players we have now lost 26 points from winning position no manager will fix this our squad depth is just not good enough along with the mentality these players have 

Edited 15 March by whoareyaaa

[RGFox]

10 minutes ago, oundlefox said:

He drinks a whiskey drink
He drinks a Vodka drink
He drinks a Lager drink
He drinks a cider drink

He sings the songs that remind him of the good times
He sings the songs that remind him of the better times

Lol pretty sure everyone had this in mind. Hamza fave song I believe!

[Gazza M]

7 minutes ago, Edingleyfox said:

You can’t blame Rowett for individual mistakes. I think Rowett needs to focus on players than can pass  the ball forwards  so Ricardo Winks  back in and Daka up front. I think too much time is being spent thinking how to protect the centre backs rather than playing to our strengths with the limited flair we have. You risk creating very little and we may still concede as happened yesterday. Having said this not sure why Lascelles wasn’t given some time yesterday I’m sure his experience will be invaluable if he is fit. 

Assume Lacelles legs are gone. Gamble not paid off and if he plays more than 30 mins he is injured. 

[Chelmofox]

1 minute ago, Edingleyfox said:

You can’t blame Rowett for individual mistakes. I think Rowett needs to focus on players than can pass  the ball forwards  so Ricardo Winks  back in and Daka up front. I think too much time is being spent thinking how to protect the centre backs rather than playing to our strengths with the limited flair we have. You risk creating very little and we may still concede as happened yesterday. Having said this not sure why Lascelles wasn’t given some time yesterday I’m sure his experience will be invaluable if he is fit. 

I dont get this.

 

We spent a lot of time playing out the back yesterday. Okoli and Nelson (and less so Hamza in the 2nd half) struggled badly. This didnt protect the defence - it puts them under pressure. Furthermore, we were playing a high line with the striker barely pressing. Again, this put the defence under pressure. I dont see how this setup is protecting the center backs. For the equaliser, they exploited our offside trap (i've still not seen a proper replay to see how close this was).  

 

In terms of limited flair, our players continue to play as if flair is their strength.  Short dinky passes, step overs, passing around the box waiting for their 'quality' to break a team down, trying to cut in whilst being doubled up on to name just a few. So much of this can be nipped in the bud if the idea is to get back to basics.

 

And in terms of a change limiting the chances we create - this is our fundamental problem in the first place. 0.2 XG 2nd half against a farmers team when we are chasing the game and 'fighting' to survive in both the Championship and as a club. How the heck can we justify setting up to create even less.

[foxile5]

Some top-tier bullshit from Rowett over the last week. 

 

Claims he 'desperately' wants to start Lascelles but can't drop Nelson or Okoli. But will drop Daka for Ayew. Puuurreee bullshit. We have 8 games left. Play the players best equipped to keep us up. You're not massaging a squad over a season - this is an emergency situation and if you want to start Lascelles that's it. 

 

And after today's game he's giving out about how he COULD have changed things at half time but didn't. Bull****ingshit. Total revisionism. He made his substitutions on 60 minutes because that's when he does his substitutions despite it being ****ing clear to everyone in the stadium that changes were needed by 45 minutes. Utter bullshit and taking the fans for twats.

 

I'm behind him but he's spouting shite. 

[winteriscoming]

As I stated previously he has to change the system when making subs. 
He’s not the only one who does this but nothing will change if you take Ayew off and bring Daka on or if you take Mavididi off and bring Monga on. 
Not that I’m suggesting I want to see Ayew play but there has to be a different approach during the game. 
Play 2 up front or do something the opposition isn’t expecting. 
I know the options available to us are shit but constantly expecting a different outcome with the same system that hasn’t worked for 60 mins is stupid. 

[foxfanazer]

This doesn't get fixed by a manager. I feel like any focus on calling for managers to get sacked is misdirected energy that should be firmly at the door of the negligent ****ers running (ruining) this club 

[old koppite]

1 hour ago, Chelmofox said:

I dont get this.

 

We spent a lot of time playing out the back yesterday. Okoli and Nelson (and less so Hamza in the 2nd half) struggled badly. This didnt protect the defence - it puts them under pressure. Furthermore, we were playing a high line with the striker barely pressing. Again, this put the defence under pressure. I dont see how this setup is protecting the center backs. For the equaliser, they exploited our offside trap (i've still not seen a proper replay to see how close this was).  

 

In terms of limited flair, our players continue to play as if flair is their strength.  Short dinky passes, step overs, passing around the box waiting for their 'quality' to break a team down, trying to cut in whilst being doubled up on to name just a few. So much of this can be nipped in the bud if the idea is to get back to basics.

 

And in terms of a change limiting the chances we create - this is our fundamental problem in the first place. 0.2 XG 2nd half against a farmers team when we are chasing the game and 'fighting' to survive in both the Championship and as a club. How the heck can we justify setting up to create even less.

Good post 

[Guest worth_the_wait]

16 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

As I stated previously he has to change the system when making subs. 
He’s not the only one who does this but nothing will change if you take Ayew off and bring Daka on or if you take Mavididi off and bring Monga on. 
Not that I’m suggesting I want to see Ayew play but there has to be a different approach during the game. 
Play 2 up front or do something the opposition isn’t expecting. 
I know the options available to us are shit but constantly expecting a different outcome with the same system that hasn’t worked for 60 mins is stupid. 

Agreed.  Might be worth gambling with a big lad up front (Nelson? anyone?) - and just get Fatawu/Mavididi to play like Steve Guppy did 30 years ago.   Beat one defender and whip the ball in?   At the moment, our wingers are having to try and beat multiple players because there isn't a "target" man up front.

 

I realise it sounds a bit "old fashioned" ... but we need something drastic.   Besides, old is back in fashion at the moment - long throws and all.

[Langston]

30 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

Some top-tier bullshit from Rowett over the last week. 

 

Claims he 'desperately' wants to start Lascelles but can't drop Nelson or Okoli. But will drop Daka for Ayew. Puuurreee bullshit. We have 8 games left. Play the players best equipped to keep us up. You're not massaging a squad over a season - this is an emergency situation and if you want to start Lascelles that's it. 

 

And after today's game he's giving out about how he COULD have changed things at half time but didn't. Bull****ingshit. Total revisionism. He made his substitutions on 60 minutes because that's when he does his substitutions despite it being ****ing clear to everyone in the stadium that changes were needed by 45 minutes. Utter bullshit and taking the fans for twats.

 

I'm behind him but he's spouting shite. 

 

Says he wants more application, desire and determination and starts Jordan Ayew!!!

[lgfualol]

1 hour ago, oundlefox said:

He drinks a whiskey drink
He drinks a Vodka drink
He drinks a Lager drink
He drinks a cider drink

He sings the songs that remind him of the good times
He sings the songs that remind him of the better times

Imagine being at this stage of the season, almost certainly relegation-bound and saying “hm I think we’ve got to show a bit more fight”. 
 

If you can’t get the players to fight at this stage then what’s the point, what are we doing, why are you playing the players that do not fight hard enough.

[Collymore]

3 minutes ago, lgfualol said:

Imagine being at this stage of the season, almost certainly relegation-bound and saying “hm I think we’ve got to show a bit more fight”. 
 

If you can’t get the players to fight at this stage then what’s the point, what are we doing, why are you playing the players that do not fight hard enough.

This is what I don't get. It was the same when we got relegated from the Prem under Rodgers - sleepwalking into it just letting games wash over us. 

 

Games around now should be like cup finals where you lay everything on the line and it's 'brothers in arms'

Opposition should sense the occasion and know they're going to have to fight so hard to get anything from the game. 

 

Instead we roll over and get our bellies tickled. 

 

This is what you get with no leaders on the pitch. There's no way this would have ever happened under Pesrson - not only would he not accept it, he'd have formed a squad of mentally strong players and leaders. 

 

We're fundamentally screwed. 

 

Can't wait for the day we can get rid of this hideous squad and just mark it down as a chapter as being one of the worst pathetic squads in the clubs history and move on. 

[nettle]

I was thinking about this yesterday but I also don't understand why he dropped Winks when he seemed to be getting a tune out him. Same also with Daka playing Ayew is a criminal offence. I'd play a Skipp and Winks in a 2 James as a 10 and Makusa up top. Give James a free role. Defence wise play either Nelson with Lascelles or Vestagaard and if both fit play then together. Fullbacks  take your pick because they are all shit. Goalkeeper wise I think we are f**ked I'd probably play Bergovic because of his experience and he might occasionally come off his line.

[Ian S]

We are wide open in the middle of the park with the side he picks, and bizarrely despite not creating a decent chance yesterday we have too many attacking players.

2 wingers, a 10, and James who roams a lot leaves Skipp totally isolated and makes us dead easy to play through, we can be got at after 1 or 2 passes.

Has to strengthen the midfield so the only option is Winks and Skipp with James further forward although appreciate that’s not where he is at his best.

In defence we are that bad I can’t believe I am actually desperate to get Vestergaard back.

[foxile5]

23 minutes ago, nettle said:

I was thinking about this yesterday but I also don't understand why he dropped Winks when he seemed to be getting a tune out him. Same also with Daka playing Ayew is a criminal offence. I'd play a Skipp and Winks in a 2 James as a 10 and Makusa up top. Give James a free role. Defence wise play either Nelson with Lascelles or Vestagaard and if both fit play then together. Fullbacks  take your pick because they are all shit. Goalkeeper wise I think we are f**ked I'd probably play Bergovic because of his experience and he might occasionally come off his line.

I'm sure it's not an easy job but he is making it much harder than it needs to be. 

 

For the sake of the fans, the club, and Ayew himself he shouldn't be starting. It is extremely frustrating that Rowett doesn't seem to have done any homework in that regard. 

 

He's claimed that he would love to start Lascelles but can't drop Okoli and Nelson. Just rubbish, that. He is a) the manager and in charge and b) in an emergency situation where total pragmatism is the only option. If he's going to gain us the points then **** feelings and vibes. 

 

I can't outright prove it but I think I'm right. I think he's doing the Rodgers style 'I do my substitutions on sixty minutes because that's when I do my pre planned substitutions and I don't deviate style'. And they're always a like for like. That second and third goal were coming and we need things shuffling up badly. Instead, we wait until sixty minutes because that's the time we have to make changes. 

 

I want him to succeed but he's making the job seem harder than it needs to be. 

[damolcfc]

Fatawu and Mavididi to play as actual wingers with Vestagard up top as a target with the no.9 shirt

Save our season JV

 

 

 

🤣 JV9 saves us again and we have our J V 9 back 😝😝

[Lad1966]

22 minutes ago, Ian S said:

We are wide open in the middle of the park with the side he picks, and bizarrely despite not creating a decent chance yesterday we have too many attacking players.

2 wingers, a 10, and James who roams a lot leaves Skipp totally isolated and makes us dead easy to play through, we can be got at after 1 or 2 passes.

Has to strengthen the midfield so the only option is Winks and Skipp with James further forward although appreciate that’s not where he is at his best.

In defence we are that bad I can’t believe I am actually desperate to get Vestergaard back.

Our midfield needs an extra body in there. Our defence gets exposed far too easily. I totally agree with you re a midfield of winks, Skipp and James. We don’t need a 10 role, this is a luxury we can ill afford in our position. 

[filthyfox]

Was NEVER the answer

[damolcfc]

1 minute ago, filthyfox said:

Was NEVER the answer

Think he should be, but as with all managers that come in they only have the same tools to do the job, he is definitely more positive and I'm hoping he has recognised what he has as a group, certainly appeared that way after the game.

He has had a month to plug a sinking ship with cotton wool 😉

[The Guvnor]

18 hours ago, LeePhilpottsBaldSpot said:

Why they all persist with 4-2-3-1 is what bamboozles me.

 

It must be mandated onto them so there's consistency with youth teams or something.

 

It clearly isn't working. Why the **** don't they change it.

If you shuffle your shit hand of cards they’re still shit!