Positives

[Finnegan]

4 minutes ago, AjcW said:

One good thing about McCarron if he does end up staying on next season, despite the Belgian side being in the city group they spent little to no money and most of his signings were free transfers. So he's at least used to that level of deals! 

 

This is what we need. We need someone with a wide scope who is aware of more markets than just France, Belgium and Denmark and who has an eye for a deal. 

 

But we also need someone with an eye for talent and most importantly someone who values the significance of culture. The most important thing to rebuild from the Pearson era that we've lost is a culture of hard work and commitment to the team. That's the biggest thing Rodgers shat all over with his broken players nonsense. 

 

We'll have no idea where JM stands on any of this until we see him start work. 

 

[dmayne7]

Exactly. Some will surely go, especially given the difference PSR/FFP implications, but I just imagine the club won't see the urgency to pay them off somewhat in order to save more money.

[filbertway]

6 minutes ago, AjcW said:

One good thing about McCarron if he does end up staying on next season, despite the Belgian side being in the city group they spent little to no money and most of his signings were free transfers. So he's at least used to that level of deals! 

I don't really understand what he's done to be a Sporting Director. I feel like we've hired him because he worked for City Group

 

Almost all of his jobs have been in sports science/performance. His only role as SD was Lommell who made no real progress in his three years there. Then back to director of player development afterwards which sounds eerily similar to what Rudkin was doing before becoming DoF for us.

 

[Tuna]

We'll finally get the squad rebuild we needed last year. Could have done it a year ago and avoided relegation, but they we are.

[Guest worth_the_wait]

Smaller crowds - so more room to stretch your legs, or to move across the gangway into more expensive (empty) seats.  And parking should be a bit easier.

 

[Kilworthfox]

1 hour ago, Bert said:

The positives are that we are going to be forced to use the young talent we have and are producing.
 

The deadwood that have absolutely stunk the club out in recent years are going to want to move on because they think they’re better than the level that we are going to be playing out.

 

The players on ridiculous amounts of money that are out of contract (bar Ricardo) that will be leaving at the end of the season. 

 

The disdain that those who can see what’s happened, and what’s going to happen to this club, have for this bunch of charlatans that are running us into the ground. 

Hopefully it's not just limited to on field employees. 

 

The clubs footballing staff NEEDS a root and branch review as promised previously. 

[Finnegan]

3 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

Exactly. Some will surely go, especially given the difference PSR/FFP implications, but I just imagine the club won't see the urgency to pay them off somewhat in order to save more money.

 

What do you mean pay them off? 

 

If you mean a mutual termination, as in giving them a reduced lump sum and letting them move on, that pretty much never happens in football for good reason. It's a terrible idea. 

 

Firstly, it up-fronts a cost you were going to spread over multiple seasons and forces you to take the PSR hit immediately all at once. Secondly, it surrenders any future possibility you might have of making money off the player. You never know when a desperate club might come in and try and - at very least - take your player on loan. 

 

Look at us with Joe Aribo. Southampton would have been laughing all the way to the bank. It's happened for us, too, look how many times Soumaré and Praet went out. Each time reducing our costs by the loaning club paying some of the wages and/or chipping in a bit of a fee. Every little helps. 

 

Mutual terminations for players almost never happen and when they do there's usually some extreme behavioural issue. They certainly don't happen when, like us, you pay absolutely massive contracts that are hugely weighted towards basic salary with very minimal performance based add ons. 

 

Why do you think we've struggled to get rid of players during Rudkin's entire era? Our contract structure is appalling. 

 

[Chelmofox]

1 hour ago, Bert said:

The positives are that we are going to be forced to use the young talent we have and are producing.
 

The deadwood that have absolutely stunk the club out in recent years

This is what i thought would happen this season.

 

Genuinely terrifies me that we renew Ayew and give Riccy a 1 year deal because of their experience. Seeing Vestergaard start first game is terrifying too.

[AKCJ]

1. We're at a point where the club have to change their methods. We will have 10-15 senior players leave this summer and that means they have to utilise the academy.
2. McCarron's appointment means Rudkin has less day-to-day impact. Or at least he should do which hopefully means a new direction in terms of recruitment.
3. We have several young players that should get opportunities to play regularly (Braybrooke, Alves, Aluko, Page, Monga, Gray and Hutchinson in particular).
4. There is a good opportunity for the club to realise the errors they've made and for this to be rock bottom.

That is genuinely it. I worry that the club won't take any of this seriously and we'll continue to slide. 

[Rusko187]

I don't think we're going to see the drastic overhaul of squad that people are anticipating. We can't just get rid of all the deadwood on the basis that rebuilding the squad will cost us a huge chunk of change (which knowing the club, we simply won't have). Not to mention, some of these players will be on contracts that they won't get offered elsewhere, so you have to try and force them out the door which our club doesn't have history for.

 

I find it incredible that we lose majority of the players we sign on a free, the recruitment aspect of this club is the absolute pits.

[Monk]

2 minutes ago, Rusko187 said:

I don't think we're going to see the drastic overhaul of squad that people are anticipating. We can't just get rid of all the deadwood on the basis that rebuilding the squad will cost us a huge chunk of change (which knowing the club, we simply won't have). Not to mention, some of these players will be on contracts that they won't get offered elsewhere, so you have to try and force them out the door which our club doesn't have history for.

 

I find it incredible that we lose majority of the players we sign on a free, the recruitment aspect of this club is the absolute pits.

There needs to be an incentive for the high earners to move on - and a lot of that will depend on if we have relegation clauses suitable to do so. 
 

if those players on +50k/wk are still going to get that in League 1 it will be hard to get rid of them. 

[trooky]

2 hours ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Are there positives to this situation? There must be but I’m struggling to think of any expect the obvious ones like certain contracts coming to an end.

 

Though I must say I’m looking forward getting stuck into the Football Manager version where we’re in League One and I can rebuild the club 🤣 

I don't see that as a positive to being relegated to league 1, those players would have been leaving anyway because their contracts have expired and Winks and Faes don't want to be here either. 

 

Also, It was very easy to get the current squad promoted from the Championship without any additions in football manager mobile version, so I can only imagine in league 1 it will be even easier😂 

Edited 20 April by trooky

[Fox92]

There's nothing. Even though I will go to some new grounds I don't want us being a third division clubs. There are no positives, we are an embarrassment. 

[beepee1984]

I live smack bang in the middle of 2 League 1 grounds which should help reduce transport costs for me to a couple of away days.

 

I predicted this much earlier in the season and was told to put my money where my mouth is, so I did and tomorrow is an extra pay day

 

I still care about the club, I thought I had grew disinterested, but this weekend the anger to the running of our club returned and not just the disappointment

[BDW-11]

Hard to find positives really but not seeing the majority of the same regurgitated line up every week will be refreshing.

[Stadt]

2 hours ago, Qwerty said:

Some different away grounds to go to. 

I probably do 1 in 4 aways, maybe even fewer. I looked at the L1 table and there’s only about 12 new grounds for me which is disappointing and some like Reading/ Doncaster just don’t appeal.

 

Bradford if they stay down appeals the most. Most of the others are non-descript places and/or shit boring grounds.

 

I cannot muster any enthusiasm to go to Burton again. Losing Port Vale and Exeter is rubbish 

Edited 20 April by Stadt

[ren]

Another relegation on “Winksy”s CV

[ClaphamFox]

We're overdue a lucky manager appointment. Maybe the next one will be one of those where we accidentally land upon somebody decent?

[fazzyfox]

Smaller crowds means getting to the loo quicker at half time…………………….

………………nope, that’s about it, getting to the loo quicker at half time 

[Stadt]

13 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

We're overdue a lucky manager appointment. Maybe the next one will be one of those where we accidentally land upon somebody decent?

We're not, we've been incredibly lucky they haven't been any worse given how poor our process is.

 

Our managerial recruitment has always been shit but they've been lucky more often than not, imagine if Marecsa was shit - which was conceivable, we wouldn't have had a good manager since Rodgers' initial appointment in 2018!

[Finnegan]

4 minutes ago, Stadt said:

We're not, we've been incredibly lucky they haven't been any worse given how poor our process is.

 

Our managerial recruitment has always been shit but they've been lucky more often than not, imagine if Marecsa was shit - which was conceivable, we wouldn't have had a good manager since Rodgers' initial appointment in 2018!

 

 

It's wild to me that we keep hiring people that are very much head coaches first and foremost when our business model needs a manager. Or, certainly has up til now. 

 

Even Rodgers would have been an alright hire if he'd only ever had to coach the team. The damage he did was largely all off the pitch but that was well known in advance, he was famously a terrible presence in Liverpool's recruitment. 

 

Cooper, Ruud, Enzo, all very much coaches. Enzo even super vocal about that fact. 

 

[Stadt]

1 minute ago, Finnegan said:

 

 

It's wild to me that we keep hiring people that are very much head coaches first and foremost when our business model needs a manager. Or, certainly has up til now. 

 

Even Rodgers would have been an alright hire if he'd only ever had to coach the team. The damage he did was largely all off the pitch but that was well known in advance, he was famously a terrible presence in Liverpool's recruitment. 

 

Cooper, Ruud, Enzo, all very much coaches. Enzo even super vocal about that fact. 

 

They're stupid, lazy, feckless. They're so thick it's only until this season self-preservation kicked in!

 

Top had an elite education, was involved in a successful (no matter the circumstance) multi-billion dollar company shadowing his capable father. He was a director for 8 years prior to the crash - which was also our most successful period ever. Genuinely it would be difficult to not learn what made us successful in that time. He hasn't.

 

Rudkin also watched Pearson's clubs building efforts and just never thought to ape it? These are stupid people, worse than mediocre. It's a stain on our PL and FA cup wins these people were involved. It's like Calciopoli but the scandal is these thick c unts got to to play a part.

[Pliskin]

There could be. 
 

For example clearing out the squad, rebalancing the books, and building a team of young talented players potentially capable of winning both league one and the championship…

 

However, we won’t…. Because we have incompetent ownership. They won’t even be considering league 1, they won’t until it’s official, and then there will be no plan…. They will get it all wrong again, we will continue to haemorrhage money, and will be lucky to survive….

 

I can’t see anything but administration and or league two.  

[Finnegan]

8 minutes ago, Stadt said:

Rudkin also watched Pearson's clubs building efforts and just never thought to ape it?

 

It's always been my feeling that the two very much didn't see eye to eye. 

 

He was probably all too happy to let Ranieri and later Rogers divert significantly from Pearson's approach. 

 

[Blue ROI]

We'll have 3 months away from this disaster coming up.