marbelladave Posted 9 February 2011 Posted 9 February 2011 Some of the bollox spouted on this issue leaves me in awe, not in a good way.... I believe that anyone who watched us last season would rate Hobbs as one of our better players, the more perceptive would understand that he was required by Pearson and the system that we played to play in a particular style. Simple no nonsense 'win it and move it' defending played to Hobb's strength and he was very effective as far as it went, some though pointed out that poor distribution from the back limited any attempt by us to play the passing game. This season our defenders are required to play a higher line, break up opposition play earlier and play the ball out of defense in a constructive manner, furthermore they are required to do this with fewer numbers as more of our players are committed to attack. None of our players have managed to fully make this transition though both Berner and Hobbs have made a decent attempt, neither though have been quite good enough, simple really. The above points are facts that anyone looking at the last season and a half would come to, the only real debate is whether they, Hobbs in particular would have made the transition if they (he) had been given more help in terms of time, consistency etc. This never happened so is conjecture, some think so, some, including the management, think not, that is an opinion only.
STUHILL Posted 9 February 2011 Posted 9 February 2011 Some of the bollox spouted on this issue leaves me in awe, not in a good way.... I believe that anyone who watched us last season would rate Hobbs as one of our better players, the more perceptive would understand that he was required by Pearson and the system that we played to play in a particular style. Simple no nonsense 'win it and move it' defending played to Hobb's strength and he was very effective as far as it went, some though pointed out that poor distribution from the back limited any attempt by us to play the passing game. This season our defenders are required to play a higher line, break up opposition play earlier and play the ball out of defense in a constructive manner, furthermore they are required to do this with fewer numbers as more of our players are committed to attack. None of our players have managed to fully make this transition though both Berner and Hobbs have made a decent attempt, neither though have been quite good enough, simple really. The above points are facts that anyone looking at the last season and a half would come to, the only real debate is whether they, Hobbs in particular would have made the transition if they (he) had been given more help in terms of time, consistency etc. This never happened so is conjecture, some think so, some, including the management, think not, that is an opinion only. It really is as simple as that. That's how Sven see's it and definitely how I see it too!
Babylon Posted 9 February 2011 Posted 9 February 2011 Some of the bollox spouted on this issue leaves me in awe, not in a good way.... I believe that anyone who watched us last season would rate Hobbs as one of our better players, the more perceptive would understand that he was required by Pearson and the system that we played to play in a particular style. Simple no nonsense 'win it and move it' defending played to Hobb's strength and he was very effective as far as it went, some though pointed out that poor distribution from the back limited any attempt by us to play the passing game. This season our defenders are required to play a higher line, break up opposition play earlier and play the ball out of defense in a constructive manner, furthermore they are required to do this with fewer numbers as more of our players are committed to attack. None of our players have managed to fully make this transition though both Berner and Hobbs have made a decent attempt, neither though have been quite good enough, simple really. The above points are facts that anyone looking at the last season and a half would come to, the only real debate is whether they, Hobbs in particular would have made the transition if they (he) had been given more help in terms of time, consistency etc. This never happened so is conjecture, some think so, some, including the management, think not, that is an opinion only. But but but I want to relate to him, I can't do that with Johnny Foreigner... except Sol Bamba, I love him cus I can sing a little song about him.
marbelladave Posted 9 February 2011 Posted 9 February 2011 But but but I want to relate to him, I can't do that with Johnny Foreigner... except Sol Bamba, I love him cus I can sing a little song about him. Ask him for a date....
Haydos Posted 9 February 2011 Posted 9 February 2011 Some of the bollox spouted on this issue leaves me in awe, not in a good way.... I believe that anyone who watched us last season would rate Hobbs as one of our better players, the more perceptive would understand that he was required by Pearson and the system that we played to play in a particular style. Simple no nonsense 'win it and move it' defending played to Hobb's strength and he was very effective as far as it went, some though pointed out that poor distribution from the back limited any attempt by us to play the passing game. This season our defenders are required to play a higher line, break up opposition play earlier and play the ball out of defense in a constructive manner, furthermore they are required to do this with fewer numbers as more of our players are committed to attack. None of our players have managed to fully make this transition though both Berner and Hobbs have made a decent attempt, neither though have been quite good enough, simple really. The above points are facts that anyone looking at the last season and a half would come to, the only real debate is whether they, Hobbs in particular would have made the transition if they (he) had been given more help in terms of time, consistency etc. This never happened so is conjecture, some think so, some, including the management, think not, that is an opinion only. It's all well and good spouting all this and sounding like a tactical genius (although all of what you've said is quite obvious to most people and it has been repeated again and again in this thread), but all you've done is describe the situation which everyone already knows. You offer no opinion on the topic and I really can't see the point in this post All people are doing is voicing their thoughts on what the next step with regards to Hobbs should be.
muzzy1981 Posted 9 February 2011 Posted 9 February 2011 But we already had a player with a better goals to game ratio than Bednar, this is what I mean by unsettling players, it happened with Weale, Berner, Hobbs, Waghorn, Fryatt, Morrison even Dyer. Dyer was out of the team for a while and we were all begging for his return after he came on against Doncaster for Bednar, and now he is out of the team again. Let's look at Berner at the end of the season he will be our only Left Back at the club, maybe Kennedy will come back, but he isn't up to this level, maybe we will sign Cunningham after he has recovered, either way at the end of the season we will only have Berner... and he wants to leave. The same for Neilson at RB. We maybe able to sign Naughton, but there is no guarantee. Look at that list of players, they were 7 of our best 11 last season, we are not talking shit players here, that team, with Brown, Wellens, King and Gallagher got us within a French spot kick of the Play off final. To replace those players we have signed Bamba and Vassell, the rest aren't ours or on short term deals. Will playing under Pearson again help his development as a player? I can't see him coming back the more cultured defender that Sven is looking, he would be better staying here and learning the Sven way, there is more to it than just playing. Celtic would have been a great opportunity for him, a big club with some experienced players and coaches. If he plays for Pearson at Hull he will not develop. I can't think of any Leicester players, for other clubs it happens all the time. Curtis Davies probably wouldn't have got the move to birmingham if he hadn't played for us on loan, so it can be beneficial in terms of selling players on, one of the biggest issues of selling Fryatt, Morrison and Gradel is that they were clearly worth more than we sold them for. The fact that Sven has gained cash from sales and transformed the squad through loan signings means there will be pottentially still a lot of money in the kitty come the summer. So even if we don't go up it is clear that Sven can spot talent Bamba, Vassel, Naughton, Mee, Cunningham and get the best out of players King, Wellens, Abe, Dyer, Gally. So I have every faith as do many others that he can build a good squad in the summer even if we miss promotion. I find it hilarious that people think that Sven doesn't know how to manager footballers when he has 35 years experieince and is the only manager ever to have one the double in 3 different countries!!!
Christoph Posted 9 February 2011 Posted 9 February 2011 Agreed with what the majority of people have been saying about the appropriate CB's over Hobbs should occur. To many people playing football manager automatically assuming they no how the world of football managing works
MrSpaM Posted 9 February 2011 Posted 9 February 2011 Bunch of people on 606 now saying he's going to Hull til the end of the season. Any substance to this or people just jumping on the Pearson link again?
marbelladave Posted 9 February 2011 Posted 9 February 2011 It's all well and good spouting all this and sounding like a tactical genius (although all of what you've said is quite obvious to most people and it has been repeated again and again in this thread), but all you've done is describe the situation which everyone already knows. You offer no opinion on the topic and I really can't see the point in this post All people are doing is voicing their thoughts on what the next step with regards to Hobbs should be. No. Some people on this thread seem to believe that because Hobbs excelled last season at right centerback in one system he will automatically excel this season at left centerback in a completely different one! This is neither logical nor born out in practice, but some people just can't see this although as you say it should be obvious to all. Felt the need to explain in words of one syllable.... On this occasion I was trying to set out clearly the facts of the current situation, I have given my opinion a number of times already in this thread.
hackneyfox Posted 9 February 2011 Posted 9 February 2011 Wasting your time Dave. Nine pages of hysteria because people's favourite's are not deemed by Sven to be good enough to fit into his team. Okay for the fans to have favourites and demand that they play and question the manager's motives. God forbid that Sven should have favourites and play them and lets not let the fact that he sees them for hours every day get in the way.
marbelladave Posted 9 February 2011 Posted 9 February 2011 Wasting your time Dave. Nine pages of hysteria because people's favourite's are not deemed by Sven to be good enough to fit into his team. Okay for the fans to have favourites and demand that they play and question the manager's motives. God forbid that Sven should have favourites and play them and lets not let the fact that he sees them for hours every day get in the way. Feeling a bit 'schoolmasterish' today, trying to get some of the people on here to understand the difference between, facts, opinions and preferences looks like a tough job.... If I really get fed up, I can always try correcting some of the appalling spelling and grammer... Your final sentance for example.... (Edited to remove embarrassing spooling mistook..... )
Haydos Posted 9 February 2011 Posted 9 February 2011 No. Some people on this thread seem to believe that because Hobbs excelled last season at right centerback in one system he will automatically excel this season at left centerback in a completely different one! This is neither logical nor born out in practice, but some people just can't see this although as you say it should be obvious to all. Felt the need to explain in words of one syllable.... On this occasion I was trying to set out clearly the facts of the current situation, I have given my opinion a number of times already in this thread. Urgh, I guess. I'm not being very empathetic because personally I don't see how people can be so moronic sometimes. Our manager is experienced and I trust him to make decisions based on his view of the players performance in training as well as matches, rather than the opinions of people on here who have (not unlike me) seen the odd game and a few matches on telly. If Sven has decided that he is not going to get much playing time here at the moment, then a loan is almost certainly a good thing. If in the unlikely event he is still in his first team plans in the immediate future then it's not going to happen. I don't believe than anyone on here knows the correct answer because it's based purely on what Sven is setting out for the side.
Cat Burger Posted 9 February 2011 Posted 9 February 2011 Sentence is spelt with an e Grammar is spelt with an 'a'. /troll
Webbo Posted 9 February 2011 Posted 9 February 2011 A question I have posed before, I could understand it when he was paired with Morrison because Morrison covered the RB role better. The only reason I can think of is that Sven saw both Davies and Bamba as the better right CB and wanted them to settle in where they were going to play longer term so that he only had one potential change to make that being left CB. The thing is Sven obviously thinks Bamba and/or Davies are better players than Hobbs because Bamba/Davies are/were never dropped and Hobbs has been. Surely if you have to play someone out of position you'd play the better player there who would presumably be better able to cope. We all know that as soon as Weale gives Sven a chance to drop him we'll never see him again. Imo Sven is moving out all of Pearson's men out and replacing them with his own. While it's successful nobody's going to complain but I can't help but feel that it's a bit unfair.
Jon the Hat Posted 9 February 2011 Posted 9 February 2011 Grammar is spelt with an 'a'. /troll No it isn't. It is spelt with two!
marbelladave Posted 9 February 2011 Posted 9 February 2011 Sentence is spelt with an e Grammar is spelt with an 'a'. /troll Just keeping you on your toes.... In the real world i was always a hopeless speller, in my defence I've been watching a lot of Frazier!
reynard Posted 9 February 2011 Posted 9 February 2011 Sorry but as good as Mee has been in the last 2 games he has shown little technical ability. He wins headers, he's a good tackler and can do the basics of passing (as can Hobbs) but he can't really do much with the ball. Most of the time he plays it short or over the top. And Waghorn clearly has technical skill. He showed that last season. Yes he can balloon some shots but when he's full of confidence he has a great first touch and is skillfull. That is what struck me in his early games for Leicester and throughout his first season. He will not find this though with 2 minute appearances. 30 minute appearances is another matter though. You've also left Dyer out of both lists. I suspect that's because you know he has little technical skill but also think that he is a valuable player. Different players have different assetts and different positions require different assetts. I think I'll just agree to disagree with you on Mee. To me he just seems to be a better natural footballer than Hobbs. Waghorn has some technical ability but it could be better and as I said the same is the case with Hobbs. Both need to improve this side of their game if their are to have a long term future at the top end of the game. There is indeed a legitimate question to be asked; is it better for them to stay here and work on their game in the full realisation that they are really only going to be squad memebrs or do we and they gain more in their development by sending them out on loan? I didn't include Dyer on the list as I was trying not to have to list every squad member. But to answer your point I would put him in the second list. He has some technical ability, tries hard and is a good pro but if someone said to me Sven is going to sign a similar player who has the ability to be quick but can use both feet then I would say sign him up and if that meant Dyer losing his place then so be it. I'm not trying to say that different players with different attributes don't have a part to play only that just to have certain attributes is no longer enough which is why Sven is trying to improve our side by recruiting players he thinks have more technical ability than those we currently have.
Corky Posted 9 February 2011 Posted 9 February 2011 Hobbs probably won't go now if there are doubts about Bamba. Vitor isn't fit yet which leaves us with only Mee. If he does go then he goes, it may be for the best in the long run.
marbelladave Posted 9 February 2011 Posted 9 February 2011 Urgh, I guess. I'm not being very empathetic because personally I don't see how people can be so moronic sometimes. Our manager is experienced and I trust him to make decisions based on his view of the players performance in training as well as matches, rather than the opinions of people on here who have (not unlike me) seen the odd game and a few matches on telly. If Sven has decided that he is not going to get much playing time here at the moment, then a loan is almost certainly a good thing. If in the unlikely event he is still in his first team plans in the immediate future then it's not going to happen. I don't believe than anyone on here knows the correct answer because it's based purely on what Sven is setting out for the side. This (in capitals) is conjecture, as you say we do not know what goes in Sven's mind so we do not know this for a fact, however from what we have seen it is clear that Sven does not, at this time, see Hobbs as a regular starter. Second guessing the manager is an honourable passtime, we all do it, some promote there favourite players, some analyse, some (like me) analyse 'to death' and some don't have a clue. These days I have the time to indulge my love of all things City, I get to a lot of games, buy the best seats I can and (you will not be at all surprised to hear) usually take notes. When I was living in Spain I relied a lot on some of the posters here and on other forums to let me know about games I had no chance of seeing, I try and repay this kindness with my own reports and ratings.
marbelladave Posted 9 February 2011 Posted 9 February 2011 Hobbs probably won't go now if there are doubts about Bamba. Vitor isn't fit yet which leaves us with only Mee. If he does go then he goes, it may be for the best in the long run. Vitor played a full game for the reserves today, MOTM according to Stringer. If there is no reaction I guess he could feature, but if not I have no problem with Hobbs deputising, if he is still here of course.
Corky Posted 9 February 2011 Posted 9 February 2011 Good news about Vitor then, but it's his first game for a while. Sven may not want to risk him yet and ease him back in gently.
marbelladave Posted 9 February 2011 Posted 9 February 2011 Good news about Vitor then, but it's his first game for a while. Sven may not want to risk him yet and ease him back in gently. So, interestiing choices for Sven if Bamba is not fit. It looks unlikely that Bruma will be here in time to play, so it may come down to a choice of Vitor or Hobbs. I doubt Mee has even played with Vitor given the latters injuries, so looks like a good opportunity for Hobbs in his best position.
Nick Posted 10 February 2011 Posted 10 February 2011 So, interestiing choices for Sven if Bamba is not fit. It looks unlikely that Bruma will be here in time to play, so it may come down to a choice of Vitor or Hobbs. I doubt Mee has even played with Vitor given the latters injuries, so looks like a good opportunity for Hobbs in his best position. or maybe he will be here....... http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Chelsea-transfer-news-Leicester-have-made-new-bid-to-take-teen-defender-Jeffrey-Bruma-on-loan-article694293.html
cc_star Posted 10 February 2011 Posted 10 February 2011 Hobbs probably won't go now if there are doubts about Bamba. Vitor isn't fit yet which leaves us with only Mee. If he does go then he goes, it may be for the best in the long run. This is the whole point of trying to keep a squad players happy. It's highly unlikely that everyone will be fit for the entire run-in - maybe even someone will pick up a yellow card ban or even get sent off (looking at you Mee ) Hobbs & Waggy whilst maybe (well, obviously) not 1st choice, no one can deny its better to have them available for selection than not to have them and maybe have to play Lamey or Howard (or whatever)
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