Bob Weasel Fox Posted 2 June 2012 Share Posted 2 June 2012 Bye bye . . . . . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 2 June 2012 Share Posted 2 June 2012 Bye bye . . . . . . . . Ah mate you ain't leaving Foxes Talk are ya!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inckley fox Posted 2 June 2012 Share Posted 2 June 2012 Is it such a surprise that we paid over the odds for these players? 500K for Peltier shouldn't stun anyone. For a guy who looked predominantly out of his depth at this level and came in on, I suspect, a substantial wage, we should thank our lucky stars that we can recoup anything for him. The same goes for Mills and Bamba, regardless of what we paid for them, or how much stock we place in them. And a loss of 250K, considering the 70-80m debts we've accrued over the past decade, should be the least of our worries. Especially when the player concerned came from League One and has failed comprehensively to adapt to the Championship. We're going to have to swallow hard if we want to see ANY money back for the bulk of the Sven-era signings. That's the cold reality. We can't expect £3m for Mills, £750K for Peltier or £3m for Beckford. Why? Because, quite straightforwardly, they failed. On top of that, we seem to be overlooking one key factor: That 'team mentality' which, according to Wellens some months back, was going to need some major surgery. In other words, Pearson will need to ship certain players out if he wants to improve morale. There will be players who need to go, regardless of their performances, simply because of their impact on the dressing room. It may well be the case that Peltier comes into the category of player which, in the boss's eyes, doesn't have the 'right mentality'. And, if you need further proof, cast your minds back to the departures of Corica / Joachim / Blake / Roberts which paved the way for the O'Neill era, or even the exits of Ramsey / Mauchlen / Kelly / Reid / Kitson which led to success under Little. And, as a footnote, all of the above were popular among City fans. Did any of them go on to become established top flight players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 2 June 2012 Share Posted 2 June 2012 Is it such a surprise that we paid over the odds for these players? 500K for Peltier shouldn't stun anyone. For a guy who looked predominantly out of his depth at this level and came in on, I suspect, a substantial wage, we should thank our lucky stars that we can recoup anything for him. The same goes for Mills and Bamba, regardless of what we paid for them, or how much stock we place in them. And a loss of 250K, considering the 70-80m debts we've accrued over the past decade, should be the least of our worries. Especially when the player concerned came from League One and has failed comprehensively to adapt to the Championship. We're going to have to swallow hard if we want to see ANY money back for the bulk of the Sven-era signings. That's the cold reality. We can't expect £3m for Mills, £750K for Peltier or £3m for Beckford. Why? Because, quite straightforwardly, they failed. On top of that, we seem to be overlooking one key factor: That 'team mentality' which, according to Wellens some months back, was going to need some major surgery. In other words, Pearson will need to ship certain players out if he wants to improve morale. There will be players who need to go, regardless of their performances, simply because of their impact on the dressing room. It may well be the case that Peltier comes into the category of player which, in the boss's eyes, doesn't have the 'right mentality'. And, if you need further proof, cast your minds back to the departures of Corica / Joachim / Blake / Roberts which paved the way for the O'Neill era, or even the exits of Ramsey / Mauchlen / Kelly / Reid / Kitson which led to success under Little. And, as a footnote, all of the above were popular among City fans. Did any of them go on to become established top flight players? One of the most sensible posts I've read on here in a long long time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Fox Posted 2 June 2012 Share Posted 2 June 2012 Is it such a surprise that we paid over the odds for these players? 500K for Peltier shouldn't stun anyone. For a guy who looked predominantly out of his depth at this level and came in on, I suspect, a substantial wage, we should thank our lucky stars that we can recoup anything for him. The same goes for Mills and Bamba, regardless of what we paid for them, or how much stock we place in them. And a loss of 250K, considering the 70-80m debts we've accrued over the past decade, should be the least of our worries. Especially when the player concerned came from League One and has failed comprehensively to adapt to the Championship. We're going to have to swallow hard if we want to see ANY money back for the bulk of the Sven-era signings. That's the cold reality. We can't expect £3m for Mills, £750K for Peltier or £3m for Beckford. Why? Because, quite straightforwardly, they failed. On top of that, we seem to be overlooking one key factor: That 'team mentality' which, according to Wellens some months back, was going to need some major surgery. In other words, Pearson will need to ship certain players out if he wants to improve morale. There will be players who need to go, regardless of their performances, simply because of their impact on the dressing room. It may well be the case that Peltier comes into the category of player which, in the boss's eyes, doesn't have the 'right mentality'. And, if you need further proof, cast your minds back to the departures of Corica / Joachim / Blake / Roberts which paved the way for the O'Neill era, or even the exits of Ramsey / Mauchlen / Kelly / Reid / Kitson which led to success under Little. And, as a footnote, all of the above were popular among City fans. Did any of them go on to become established top flight players? He would say that wouldn't he? vested interests ,fact of the matter is some of NP's old guard and some of Sven's signings haven't done the business. Lets hope NP can rectify the situation or we will back to square one again with another manager in the 2012-2013 season and a failed promotion bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted 2 June 2012 Share Posted 2 June 2012 Peltier is nothing more than average. He's lazy and is constantly out of position. And before anyone says that he's a young prospect, he's 25, 26 next season and has showed no sign of improvement over the season. If we can get someone better than him for about the same money (I'd love Whittaker at Rangers considering he's gone on the market for a pittance) then I have no problem replacing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simmsy Posted 2 June 2012 Share Posted 2 June 2012 Is it such a surprise that we paid over the odds for these players? 500K for Peltier shouldn't stun anyone. For a guy who looked predominantly out of his depth at this level and came in on, I suspect, a substantial wage, we should thank our lucky stars that we can recoup anything for him. The same goes for Mills and Bamba, regardless of what we paid for them, or how much stock we place in them. And a loss of 250K, considering the 70-80m debts we've accrued over the past decade, should be the least of our worries. Especially when the player concerned came from League One and has failed comprehensively to adapt to the Championship. We're going to have to swallow hard if we want to see ANY money back for the bulk of the Sven-era signings. That's the cold reality. We can't expect £3m for Mills, £750K for Peltier or £3m for Beckford. Why? Because, quite straightforwardly, they failed. On top of that, we seem to be overlooking one key factor: That 'team mentality' which, according to Wellens some months back, was going to need some major surgery. In other words, Pearson will need to ship certain players out if he wants to improve morale. There will be players who need to go, regardless of their performances, simply because of their impact on the dressing room. It may well be the case that Peltier comes into the category of player which, in the boss's eyes, doesn't have the 'right mentality'. And, if you need further proof, cast your minds back to the departures of Corica / Joachim / Blake / Roberts which paved the way for the O'Neill era, or even the exits of Ramsey / Mauchlen / Kelly / Reid / Kitson which led to success under Little. And, as a footnote, all of the above were popular among City fans. Did any of them go on to become established top flight players? "Failed comprehensively" is extremely harsh. Granted, he's been nothing special but he's being underestimated by many on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inckley fox Posted 2 June 2012 Share Posted 2 June 2012 He would say that wouldn't he? vested interests ,fact of the matter is some of NP's old guard and some of Sven's signings haven't done the business. Lets hope NP can rectify the situation or we will back to square one again with another manager in the 2012-2013 season and a failed promotion bid. Not sure where you get that from. Berner, Howard, Oakley, Weale and Tunchev have all left since Pearson returned - there are as many 'Old Guard' players to have left as there are Sven-era signings. Plus, if speculation is to be believed, Gallagher could also be on his way. Moreover, why would Wellens - as team captain - 'have said that', as you put it? Surely a team captain, above all others, should be giving the impression of unity. As for 'failed comprehensively' being harsh, well, as one of the weaker performers in a team that finished six points off the play-offs (and, at 25, not a youngster by any stretch) Peltier can only be considered anything other than a failure if we assume that a 9th/10th place finish is acceptable. The team was assembled as a promotion outfit. They didn't make it. Therefore we have to accept that there are - at very least - some players on board who have comprehensively failed in their undertakings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 2 June 2012 Share Posted 2 June 2012 Not sure where you get that from. Berner, Howard, Oakley, Weale and Tunchev have all left since Pearson returned - there are as many 'Old Guard' players to have left as there are Sven-era signings. Plus, if speculation is to be believed, Gallagher could also be on his way. Moreover, why would Wellens - as team captain - 'have said that', as you put it? Surely a team captain, above all others, should be giving the impression of unity. As for 'failed comprehensively' being harsh, well, as one of the weaker performers in a team that finished six points off the play-offs (and, at 25, not a youngster by any stretch) Peltier can only be considered anything other than a failure if we assume that a 9th/10th place finish is acceptable. The team was assembled as a promotion outfit. They didn't make it. Therefore we have to accept that there are - at very least - some players on board who have comprehensively failed in their undertakings. Of course we do.... Correct IMO. Though, for me, Peltier was NOT one of the biggest culprits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inckley fox Posted 2 June 2012 Share Posted 2 June 2012 Of course we do.... Correct IMO. Though, for me, Peltier was NOT one of the biggest culprits. Quite right. Don't get me started on Beckford, Mills, Gallagher, Bamba, Wellens, King et al. It was a team-scale failing. My point is that Peltier was a part of that. How big a part I'm not sure. But a part nonetheless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCFCstriker Posted 2 June 2012 Share Posted 2 June 2012 Quite right. Don't get me started on Beckford, Mills, Gallagher, Bamba, Wellens, King et al. It was a team-scale failing. My point is that Peltier was a part of that. How big a part I'm not sure. But a part nonetheless! But the same could be said about Schmeichel, Nugent and Konch... Do you want them out the door? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan LCFC Posted 3 June 2012 Share Posted 3 June 2012 Still yet to read a post by Inckley that I disagree with. The last post raises a fair point but I think you can make exceptions for those three (although I feel Konch's defending is somewhat over-rated at times). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriginalRobboFOX Posted 3 June 2012 Share Posted 3 June 2012 Rosenior. No thanks. He broke Cunninghams leg. He was a bell end when Hull last came to the KP too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny the Fox 95 Posted 3 June 2012 Share Posted 3 June 2012 I doubt pelts will leave anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Fox Posted 3 June 2012 Share Posted 3 June 2012 RB has to be a priority position to fill this season to come McNaughton Whittaker Gunter Trippier These are options which are realistic and would improve us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny the Fox 95 Posted 3 June 2012 Share Posted 3 June 2012 Definitely. Please come Gunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThurnbyLodgeFox Posted 3 June 2012 Share Posted 3 June 2012 Only RB I'd replace him with is Gunter, but Pearson probably wouldn't spend big on him in order to get him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Fox Posted 3 June 2012 Share Posted 3 June 2012 Only RB I'd replace him with is Gunter, but Pearson probably wouldn't spend big on him in order to get him Whittaker £800K would be far better than Pelts if money is the deciding factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambert09 Posted 3 June 2012 Share Posted 3 June 2012 I assumed De Laet was going to play rb with pelts as cover... sounds good to me as I think its his best position hope he stays but im not going to cry if he doesnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan LCFC Posted 3 June 2012 Share Posted 3 June 2012 Whittaker at £800k would be superb but I bet he's on a fair bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flowwolf Posted 3 June 2012 Share Posted 3 June 2012 Would love Naughton back . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGLCFC Posted 3 June 2012 Share Posted 3 June 2012 I agree Naughton would be superb, but let's be realistic, having had a successful season on loan in the Prem, he ain't gonna drop down a league. Can see him leaving Spurs as he's behind Walker in the pecking order and will most likely join at mid table team. My prediction is he'll go to Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Walsh5 Posted 3 June 2012 Share Posted 3 June 2012 Ah mate you ain't leaving Foxes Talk are ya!!! Wish you would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 3 June 2012 Share Posted 3 June 2012 Wish you would. Who pissed on your cornflakes? 'Walshy' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feed The Yak!! Posted 3 June 2012 Share Posted 3 June 2012 RB has to be a priority position to fill this season to come McNaughton Whittaker Gunter Trippier These are options which are realistic and would improve us. Gunter yes, the others no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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