Webbo Posted 8 July 2012 Share Posted 8 July 2012 I was just thinking about this reading the Beckford thread. I've no doubt that if he stayed here next season he would score 15-20 goals but if we sold him I wouldn't be too bothered. Bamba, on the other hand, for all his faults, I was disappointed when he left. Fryatt actually scored 30+ goals for us in the league 1 season but probably 60% of the fans did nothing but slate him. This isn't about individual players but why are some players loved and some players despised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trav Le Bleu Posted 8 July 2012 Share Posted 8 July 2012 Because. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langley Posted 8 July 2012 Share Posted 8 July 2012 My view on this is effort. Beckford has bucket loads of ability but just doesn't seem to use it. Fryatt you knew that there was a massive chance that he was going to mess it up so it was a shock when he actually scored. Bamba however had heart and passion. I know that it does sound cliched but look at big Stevie Walsh, Matty Elliot, Taggart, Izzet, Howard, Nugent, Schlupp and King. Not really aRooney of the world and will never be anything like Messi but they had their heart on their sleave. If you're not the best but give your all, you'll be loved forever by us. That's all we've ever asked of our players. Or maybe it's all I ask. THAT match against Arsenal where we drew 3-3 would you expect the same effort and passion from our players today to get a result like that now? I not too sure. Three words for me: Foxes Never Quit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_w Posted 8 July 2012 Share Posted 8 July 2012 I don't think despised is the right word. People think players are good or bad enough based on their own criteria, but I don't think anyone despises or even particularly dislikes Beckford. I think we can do better for a lot less money but that doesn't mean I hate him, in fact if he is playing for us next season I'll be supporting him 100% because I believe that if he has the right strike partner and does put his mind to it he can do very well for us, I just think there are better options currently. I think the only players that are really hated by their own fans are people like Dennis Wise, Wayne Brown etc. who really do deserve it. I think the main reason some players aren't backed as much as others is that fans dislike watching players who don't show the same effort and put the same enthusiasm into playing football that they would, doesn't mean people hate them . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 8 July 2012 Author Share Posted 8 July 2012 Gallagher doesn't always have a great game but I've never doubted that he tries. Some of the comments you hear at games about him seem hated filled. Some people seem to will him to fail so that they can criticize him some more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corky Posted 8 July 2012 Share Posted 8 July 2012 Gallagher doesn't always have a great game but I've never doubted that he tries. Some of the comments you hear at games about him seem hated filled. Some people seem to will him to fail so that they can criticize him some more. Gallagher seems a bit flash on the pitch at times, but he appears a decent bloke who does try his best and crops up with a very healthy amount of goals and assists. Effort, in this case, doesn't seem to win the fans support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AoWW Posted 8 July 2012 Share Posted 8 July 2012 It's coz some are fitter than others, innit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasyls Pec Deck Posted 8 July 2012 Share Posted 8 July 2012 I had an interesting conversation along these lines recently about Nugent and Beckford. Both scored 15 goals, yet Nuge is almost unanimously loved, while there seems to be a sizeable anti Beckford brigade. I know goals is only one measure of a strikers performance, but I bet their assists are also similar. The only major difference is how each comes across. Now I'm a big fan of Beckford, but he can come across as lazy (although I believe the stats don't bear it out). On the other hand, the same can't be said of Nuge. Passion, or how its transferred to the pitch in terms of body language clearly counts for a lot. On another note, I'm thought Nuge and Becks looked unplayabe at times last season, so let's hope they continue to develop their partnership... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Posted 8 July 2012 Share Posted 8 July 2012 It's coz some are fitter than others, innit. You naughty little sausage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxondale Posted 8 July 2012 Share Posted 8 July 2012 Character. Bamba was always smiling, that's why we loved him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted 8 July 2012 Share Posted 8 July 2012 Wasn't disappointed to see Bamba go, he was a liability waiting to happen. Alot of what he did was out of luck rather than judgement, he had alot of luck. As to why are some players loved and some hated - Obviously every player isn't going to have a great game every game, players go through bad spells, but all I say is they must be doing something wrong, on a regular basis if the same players are being slagged of by alot of people - that is when they become hated, however and i'll go back a few years to use an example - Hume, he wasn't bad but he wasn't brilliant, he was the best of a bad bunch, yet because he ran about chasing lost causes and showed 'passion' he was loved, he could do no wrong, he was cheered for more than some of our own players when he came back to play against us - Cringeworthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFox781 Posted 8 July 2012 Share Posted 8 July 2012 Effort for me, I used to play football at college and I was easily the shittest one there (always last picked, and then they'd fight over me so I wasn't in there team), but even though I was so shit, all I used to do was chase around and close players down and gave 100%. If all players gave all the energy they had and still lost I'd happily clap them off at the end of the game. But at times last season some players looked uninterested. BTW this is why I love steve howard, yes he was slow and fairly shit he still gave a 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corky Posted 8 July 2012 Share Posted 8 July 2012 As to why are some players loved and some hated - Obviously every player isn't going to have a great game every game, players go through bad spells, but all I say is they must be doing something wrong, on a regular basis if the same players are being slagged of by alot of people - that is when they become hated, A lot of the time it's a bandwagon that people follow. Once you have a lot of people against you your faults and every mistake you make is analysed and criticised to a greater extent than those who are generally liked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad the Fox Posted 8 July 2012 Share Posted 8 July 2012 Poor results and too high expectations. People look for somewhere to point the finger of blame and when it's not going well more people latch on to it. Faults are pointed out, exaggerated and then becomes bullshit that people start to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmt Posted 8 July 2012 Share Posted 8 July 2012 My view on this is effort. Beckford has bucket loads of ability but just doesn't seem to use it. Fryatt you knew that there was a massive chance that he was going to mess it up so it was a shock when he actually scored. Bamba however had heart and passion. I know that it does sound cliched but look at big Stevie Walsh, Matty Elliot, Taggart, Izzet, Howard, Nugent, Schlupp and King. Not really aRooney of the world and will never be anything like Messi but they had their heart on their sleave. If you're not the best but give your all, you'll be loved forever by us. That's all we've ever asked of our players. Or maybe it's all I ask. THAT match against Arsenal where we drew 3-3 would you expect the same effort and passion from our players today to get a result like that now? I not too sure. Three words for me: Foxes Never Quit. This is true apart from when a player is absolutely shite. Then they don't get much love Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ttfn Posted 8 July 2012 Share Posted 8 July 2012 I had an interesting conversation along these lines recently about Nugent and Beckford. Both scored 15 goals, yet Nuge is almost unanimously loved, while there seems to be a sizeable anti Beckford brigade. I know goals is only one measure of a strikers performance, but I bet their assists are also similar. The only major difference is how each comes across. Now I'm a big fan of Beckford, but he can come across as lazy (although I believe the stats don't bear it out). On the other hand, the same can't be said of Nuge. Passion, or how its transferred to the pitch in terms of body language clearly counts for a lot. On another note, I'm thought Nuge and Becks looked unplayabe at times last season, so let's hope they continue to develop their partnership... Firstly, Nugent scored more goals than Beckford, so your first paragraph is factually inaccurate. These "stats" that show that Beckford is a hard worker have never actually been seen by anybody on here. It was Beckford himself who claimed that this was the case. Nugent and Beckford never looked unplayable last season. If anything, their partnership was even less fruitful towards the end of the season, when neither was scoring, than it was earlier in the season when at least Nugent was scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEFATBASTARD Posted 8 July 2012 Share Posted 8 July 2012 Could never understand why lovely dennis wise was not liked...baffling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adster Posted 8 July 2012 Share Posted 8 July 2012 Because some players are total dicks and some aren't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daggers Posted 8 July 2012 Share Posted 8 July 2012 ...why are some players loved and some players despised? Because vast swathes of this forum, RL listeners, Merc readers and supporters at the ground are stupendous cretins who I'd not trust to open a tin can without breaking a leg and swallowing broken glass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucalion Posted 8 July 2012 Share Posted 8 July 2012 Maybe because effort is easy to spot while technical ability, craft and guile often go unnoticed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADK Posted 8 July 2012 Share Posted 8 July 2012 I liked bamba becasue he was a clean player, always seemed delighted to play and offered entertainment in his unpredictable style of play. Konchesky i dislike for the same reasons, often fouling, lacks technical ability and is just as likely to start moaning at his own fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted 8 July 2012 Share Posted 8 July 2012 Because vast swathes of this forum, RL listeners, Merc readers and supporters at the ground are stupendous cretins who I'd not trust to open a tin can without breaking a leg and swallowing broken glass. come on Dave, stop sitting on the fence and tell us how you feel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ta-fc Posted 8 July 2012 Share Posted 8 July 2012 I love players that run around like lunatics with no end product... Actually I don't I'm being sarcastic. Give me a footballer (Gary Parker/Muzzy Izzet) over a marathon runner (Paul Dickov/Ian Hulme) any day... End product over effort! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 8 July 2012 Author Share Posted 8 July 2012 Because vast swathes of this forum, RL listeners, Merc readers and supporters at the ground are stupendous cretins who I'd not trust to open a tin can without breaking a leg and swallowing broken glass. If you were a player I'd love you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozwin Posted 8 July 2012 Share Posted 8 July 2012 Fryatt was adored here, we made him the player he is, I don't know where the 60% came from. I felt for all the kids who looked up to him when he buggered off the Hull, even more so when he strolled past the kop with his finger to his lip after he scored that time. Felt like a dagger through the heart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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