purpleronnie Posted 17 October 2012 Posted 17 October 2012 At least we have one of the easiet groups...imagine our chances in a difficult one.
Guest ttfn Posted 17 October 2012 Posted 17 October 2012 Hodgson made the best of a bad situation in the Euros, but in the long-term he's useless. He's an efficient manager but a very dull one as far as football goes. I like the bloke but fvck me we're stuck with this shite until at least the WC. I still think he's hamstrung by the shit he's picking from. Go back to 2004 and we had Neville, Cole, Beckham, Lampard, Gerrard, Scholes, Owen and Rooney all of whom were either clearly world class or just in the wrung below. Even with Ferdinand banned we then had a ridiculous amount of quality centre backs. Now we're looking at Hart, Rooney and Cole.
Tielemans63 Posted 17 October 2012 Posted 17 October 2012 I still think he's hamstrung by the shit he's picking from. Go back to 2004 and we had Neville, Cole, Beckham, Lampard, Gerrard, Scholes, Owen and Rooney all of whom were either clearly world class or just in the wrung below. Even with Ferdinand banned we then had a ridiculous amount of quality centre backs. Now we're looking at Hart, Rooney and Cole. That's a great point. I think we're really now feeling the effects of the saturation of foreigners into the PL. The quality of English players must be almost at an all time low. Yes we've got St George's Park but it's at least 10 years too late. The FA are so ****ing incompetent it's embarassing. If they had the ability to be proactive and insist on reinvestment from top clubs into grass routes then we could start to address the problems. It's come to something when FIFA have done more for the domestic game (by introducing Fair Play etc) than our own governing body. Until kids at junior level have access to intelligent coaching from qualified coaches and are able to play regularly on a decent pitch then we've no chance. We have far fewer qualified coaches than Holland, Germany, Spain, France even Portugal and what are the FA doing about it? They're not called FA for nothing.
Dan Posted 17 October 2012 Posted 17 October 2012 That's a great point. I think we're really now feeling the effects of the saturation of foreigners into the PL. The quality of English players must be almost at an all time low. Yes we've got St George's Park but it's at least 10 years too late. The FA are so ****ing incompetent it's embarassing. If they had the ability to be proactive and insist on reinvestment from top clubs into grass routes then we could start to address the problems. It's come to something when FIFA have done more for the domestic game (by introducing Fair Play etc) than our own governing body. Until kids at junior level have access to intelligent coaching from qualified coaches and are able to play regularly on a decent pitch then we've no chance. We have far fewer qualified coaches than Holland, Germany, Spain, France even Portugal and what are the FA doing about it? They're not called FA for nothing. Clubs are turning to foreigners for the obvious reason - our players aren't good enough. It's no use blaming foreigners at all, that's a problem that comes in when you've got a league full of money and a lack of home produce. Youngsters are coached wrong in this country for me. It's far, far too competitive even at kids level, Jesus Christ just enjoy the game and don't be TOO arsed about winning. Teaching them to win at all costs, yeh brilliant, what a great idea - have their fun at kids level and then by the time they're playing in the Euros, in the World Cup, they're still playing win at all costs football, win at all costs football which they can't play because they're nowhere near the standard of the opposition. This is the worst England side I can remember. We've always been underwhelming in my lifetime but just wow, we were annihalated by fvcking Poland ffs, POLAND. Something is MASSIVELY wrong if it's reached that level. Poland aren't too shabby a side now in fairness but England can be so much better. We've got a lack of coaches and by the sound of things, a lack of quality. St George's Park gives England more potential but potential that they'll inevitably fail to reach, just like they are doing now.
Haydos Posted 17 October 2012 Posted 17 October 2012 Joe Hart that was shocking, Blue Square standard, and people say he is the best goalkeeper in the World, bollocks even Carson would of probably got to that, or decided to stay in his goal. Good players can make mistakes without being shit.
Dan Posted 17 October 2012 Posted 17 October 2012 Good players can make mistakes without being shit. His rate of mistakes are a tad worrying mind. I do rate Hart a lot but he's not even close to Neuer, Casillas or Buffon, he's got a long way to go. Mind you his display against Dortmund was one of the best goalkeeping displays I've ever seen. If he'd been average Man City would've been hit for 4 or more, literally.
kingfox Posted 17 October 2012 Posted 17 October 2012 We are absolutely shit. If you offered me a swap, Poland's set up and squad I'd take it, and that is absolutely worrying - that would've been laughed off 5/10 years ago. I've been quite impressed with Poland for a while actually. We're embarrassing, lacking technically, can't retain possession at all and worst of all - we don't sort these problems (that've been around for years) because we get half decent results. Deserve to be lambasted for that shocking display rather than praised for getting a point. Laughable. 100% correct. Hodgson like many other managers in the past, he gets some things terribly wrong. The right-side of the field is incredibly poor, to play Johnson with Milner which gets absolutely no pace, poor crosses and poor passing, yet he still believes in them is a joke. England really need pace on both flanks not just one, Milner is a joke always has been in an England shirt, they need one man and that is Theo Walcott start him every game he offers so much more, or give someone new a chance, Adam Johnson needs to be given a better crack at the whip, or bring in Nathan Dyer. Like I said have said before, he is very bias when it comes to picking Liverpool players, he picks too many who don't deserve a chance, Sterling looks an amazing prospect, but only played two League games but get's called up, and now the same with Shelvey on this occasion, yes he has played plenty of times but in what right does he deserve a call up over so many other players. Also to start Carrick is mindblowing, England really miss Wilshere and Parker plus of course we didn't have Lampard. Not confident on the forward front as well, striking options are very poor, Defoe and Rooney can play well but sometimes they offer nothing, Welbeck is very hit and miss and Andy Carroll just isn't the right player to play at the moment, he does absolutely nothing either. Sturridge isn't good enough yet, while the likes of Zamora and Agbonlahor have seriously gone down hill. Only two people worthy of given a try, and that is Crouch just because of his record and Garry Hooper of Celtic. Hart Walker - Cahill - Jagielka - Cole/Baines Gerrard - Parker - Cleverley/Wilshere Walcott, Rooney, Sterling Now with all those fit, that would be a perfect team.
Guest MattP Posted 17 October 2012 Posted 17 October 2012 As Young and as exciting as that team might looks on paper, I think it gets absolutely killed in defence. Centre half pairing is poor and it has no protection in it whatsoever. Raheem Sterling has done nothing to earn a call up yet either. Sure he will one day, but I hope we wouldn't consider starting players for the national side that havn't even played 5 club games yet.
kingfox Posted 18 October 2012 Posted 18 October 2012 As Young and as exciting as that team might looks on paper, I think it gets absolutely killed in defence. Centre half pairing is poor and it has no protection in it whatsoever. Raheem Sterling has done nothing to earn a call up yet either. Sure he will one day, but I hope we wouldn't consider starting players for the national side that havn't even played 5 club games yet. Yeah I was contradicting myself a bit on Sterling, the kid has so much potential he is one of those players who can offer something now not in a couple of years time, England seriously lack wingers on both sides, Hodgson doesn't play the right ones. Aaron Lennon, Stewart Downing and Ashley Young are nowhere near good enough at the moment, it should be Sterling, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Walcott and Johnson. All about pace, and Adam Johnson is very similar to Downing but far better, because he is capable of coming up with a crucial goal here and there. The defence will take some adjusting especially with Terry and Ferdinand now out of the team, it's going to be Cahill, Lescott and Jagielka for a long time I think, with the likes of Jones, Smalling and Caulker coming through.
AKCJ Posted 18 October 2012 Posted 18 October 2012 We have a very good future squad on paper, just hope they realise their potential. Hart Walker Richards Caulker Baines A O-X Cleverley Wilshere Sterling Rooney Welbeck I was very impressed with Richards as a CB at the Olympics and also whenever i've seen him play there for City. Future captain should he ever get picked.
Tielemans63 Posted 18 October 2012 Posted 18 October 2012 Clubs are turning to foreigners for the obvious reason - our players aren't good enough. It's no use blaming foreigners at all, that's a problem that comes in when you've got a league full of money and a lack of home produce. Youngsters are coached wrong in this country for me. It's far, far too competitive even at kids level, Jesus Christ just enjoy the game and don't be TOO arsed about winning. Teaching them to win at all costs, yeh brilliant, what a great idea - have their fun at kids level and then by the time they're playing in the Euros, in the World Cup, they're still playing win at all costs football, win at all costs football which they can't play because they're nowhere near the standard of the opposition. This is the worst England side I can remember. We've always been underwhelming in my lifetime but just wow, we were annihalated by fvcking Poland ffs, POLAND. Something is MASSIVELY wrong if it's reached that level. Poland aren't too shabby a side now in fairness but England can be so much better. We've got a lack of coaches and by the sound of things, a lack of quality. St George's Park gives England more potential but potential that they'll inevitably fail to reach, just like they are doing now. Agree with your point about coaching - I've said a similar thing. However, I think I really think a lot of it is down to the influx of foreign players. I don't blame foreigners themselves more that because the league has thrived and because clubs can buy ready-made foreign players, youth coaching has been neglected and forgotten about until now. In the PLs quest to become the super global power the development of the domestic grassroots game has been ignored almost entirely.
foxfanazer Posted 18 October 2012 Posted 18 October 2012 Agree with your point about coaching - I've said a similar thing. However, I think I really think a lot of it is down to the influx of foreign players. I don't blame foreigners themselves more that because the league has thrived and because clubs can buy ready-made foreign players, youth coaching has been neglected and forgotten about until now. In the PLs quest to become the super global power the development of the domestic grassroots game has been ignored almost entirely. Absolutely
Langston Posted 19 October 2012 Posted 19 October 2012 We appear to be significantly weaker at the back sans Terry.
Langston Posted 19 October 2012 Posted 19 October 2012 Adam Johnson is very similar to Downing but far better, because he is capable of coming up with a crucial goal here and there. Adam Johnson is hampered by the fact he's unbelievably one-footed. I've never understood all the Downing dislike, is it because he appeared to be McClaren's little favourite? He clearly has his limits but when all said and done (bar last season when he was garbage (along with the majority of the Liverpool squad)) he's been the most effective England-eligible left winger in the top flight for the past four or so years. I'm not arguing that he should be in the England squad, just baffled by the flack he seems to receive, especially after we waited so long for a midfielder with a decent left peg.
Mark 'expert' Lawrenson Posted 19 October 2012 Posted 19 October 2012 This current England team would finish mid-table at best in the Prem League, unfortunately thats where we are at at the moment, our Premier League is strong because of the amount of foreign players but the down side of this is young English talent is being held back. Hodgson is not to blame for the players he has to chose from nor do I blame him for the inability of certain players to pass to one another. A few years ago the England manager had a glut of strikers to chose from Shearer Sheringham Fowler Wright etc compare those names to our current crop of strikers! I would like to see a salary cap which maybe would slow down the influx of foreign players to our Leagues thus making clubs play their young English talent in their 1st team rather then continually sending them out on loan to lower divisions. I realise for a few years this would make our League football weaker but long tem it would make our England side stronger.
I am Rod Hull Posted 20 March 2013 Author Posted 20 March 2013 Mickey Thomas says the current Scotland team is the worst he has ever seen and predicts a Wales victory in Friday's World Cup qualifier in Glasgow. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21848603 I`m quite looking forward to this one.
Finnegan Posted 20 March 2013 Posted 20 March 2013 Mickey Thomas says the current Scotland team is the worst he has ever seen and predicts a Wales victory in Friday's World Cup qualifier in Glasgow. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21848603 I`m quite looking forward to this one. I cringed when I read that. What a twat, what inspires people to come out with that shit? Besides Bale, we're hardly world beaters either and Hampden is a tough place to go. So why do their team talk for them? **** sakes.
Uncle Albert Posted 20 March 2013 Posted 20 March 2013 I couldn't think of anything worse than watching thanh watching Scotland v Wales.
Finnegan Posted 20 March 2013 Posted 20 March 2013 I couldn't think of anything worse than watching thanh watching Scotland v Wales. We beat them 4 - 1, 3 - 0 and 2 - 1 in three of our last four meetings so you normally get goals.
purpleronnie Posted 20 March 2013 Posted 20 March 2013 I couldn't think of anything worse than watching thanh watching Scotland v Wales. san marino v england?
Manwell Pablo Posted 20 March 2013 Posted 20 March 2013 san marino v england? Yeah he has you there lofty.
Uncle Albert Posted 20 March 2013 Posted 20 March 2013 san marino v england? Fair point that will be just as bad to watch.
Father Ted Posted 20 March 2013 Posted 20 March 2013 Just a quick heads up... Croatia v Serbia in Zagreb on Friday, away fans banned but still 2000 police officers deployed.
Jordan Posted 20 March 2013 Posted 20 March 2013 USA has Costa Rica, who are no slouches, at home on Friday, followed by Mexico away (where we only have one win--a friendly) on Tuesday. -Tim Howard is out, so Brad Guzan will start (to be fair, Guzan was probably on better form before Howard got injured) -Our defenders have a combined 12 caps -Landon Donovan is still on hiatus as he continues to recover from his yeast infection So yeah, I'm not entirely confident. Time for Klinsmann to earn his money and for Dempsey to put the team on his back.
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