The Horse's Mouth Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 Interesting one this. 2m is a decent sum of money these days. Im delighted we've rejected it and this must show we really rate Moore and that we intend to get promoted! Crazy isn't it, I want to go back to the days where 2m was spare change.
Jimothy Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 Chris Smalling? He said decent! Anyway he was already about 20 when they signed him from Maidstone.
GingerrrFox Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 Just seen some absolute shite about we are a yoyo club and Moore should move to them as they are and will be for a long time "an established Premiership club". They may have been there over the last 10 years but relegation beckons and they will go back where they belong. These days fans from Premier League teams talk like they are all Arsenal/Manchester United/ Liverpool etc. Deluded.
Father Ted Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 I don't really get the significance about Moore being English mate? In the Premiership there is, as yet, no rule on the number of home-grown players you need in your starting 11 for Premiership games. Just look at Arsenal for example, currently top of the league. I've always found it fascinating how players are valued, in general terms, but also in terms of potential. Home clubs and fans (who don't want a player to leave) will always seek to maximise what they state a player is worth. Then agents get involved, of course, and the whole thing becomes more complex than you'd initially think. Why we are in a strong position, as a selling club, is because we are currently top and looking for promotion, very realistically, and also because Moore is a home-grown lad who clearly loves the club. What would be his 'value' if, for example, we were currently mid-table and probably going to stay in the Championship. Would Moore then look at a Premiership move more favourably? Most probably he would. Jack Hobbs is a good example IMO. Hobbs, particularly in his season alongside Brown looked very very good. Then Sven came in (when we were also going for promotion) and off Hobbs went for 1.5 million I believe? Is Moore (to take 5 million as a figure) really worth 3.5 million more than Hobbs? Is Moore THAT much better than Hobbs? How things are presently (in the current footballing and general financial climate), we could theoretically sell Moore for 4 million and effectively replace him with 3 or 4 good standard signings, some of whom may well have had Prem experience? I don't think City will do this. I think we value Moore highly. All I'm saying is, there would probably be a 'cut-off figure', so to speak, at which another club will bid and we would think seriously about their bid. For an, as yet, unproven centre-back, I would speculate that figure to be close to 4 million quid. If a Prem club seriously came in with that figure, we would probably have to think very carefully about it. Being English certainly adds a couple of million onto your value at least. I was saying last season that Knockaert wasn't far behind Zaha at all and look at how much Zaha went for just because he has an England cap (which was to detract interest from the African countries he could play for). In the Knocky thread, somebody mentioned how all of the French players that Newcastle have signed have been dead cheap - Cabaye for around £6 million! Arsenal nearly snapped him up for around £11million in the summer - all whilst Zaha goes for £15million and Dwight Gayle for £6 million! There is a clear pattern. In terms of the rest of the debate, I think Babylon has pretty much hit the nail on the head. We don't need to sell, we're in a very strong position with wealthy owners. Clubs like Fulham, Villa, Norwich, Sunderland can all come sniffing but 1) it would have to be a ridiculous offer and 2) they would then have to persuade the player in question to leave top of the championship for relegation fodder premiership in mid January... it's a no brainer.
Fox92 Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 He said decent! Anyway he was already about 20 when they signed him from Maidstone. I knew someone would say that! Are we looking for academy products or decent academy products? Matt Briggs? Closest I could get I think. (Didn't realise they brought Smalling).
Dan Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 Not in the slightest bit worried here. Signing Moore will not necessarily keep them up. I really don't think it'd be a sensible move for him to go. £2mil is hilarious as well. Double it and we might stop laughing before rejecting, for now we'll just laugh then reject.
dmayne7 Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 Col's got a fair point. He only has 18 months left on his contract but he's a very young and already very good defender so if he had a little longer to run on his contract we'd be looking upwards of £5 million. I'd be gutted if he left at all but to be honest, anything under £8 million and I'd feel hard done by. However, he's not worth £8 million to a buying club.
Guest Col city fan Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 £2m is a derisory offer. Again, to the bloke who posted that it was a decent offer for an untested (at Prem level) player - how much did Zaha go for? How much is Hughes being touted for? Young English players cost a premium these days, so if we are going to sell, we should be looking for a stupid amount. £7m + add-ons minimum we'd be looking at, but why sell now (unless there's a transfer request) when we could potentially be promoted and get the £90m bounty of Prem football? Won't happen in my opinion...! Again, I thought at the time and think even moreso now, the price Man Utd paid for Zaha was astonishing really. I'm not sure of the exact figure? Around 15 million I think, for a player who has hardly featured for them and this is in a struggling Utd side. Either he is very very good and will come through to be a fantastic player for them, or he may well go out on loan and probably end up being sold to Aston Villa (or equivalent) for a fraction of what Utd paid. The 'big money' signings are starting to dwindle somewhat, I think, apart of course, from those clubs who just spend whatever they seem to want. Unless I'm mistaken, I've not seen an awful lot of money spent recently on one particular player from any of the lower Premiership sides? I guess Gayle went to Palace for quite a lot, but again, most people seem to be suggesting that that was money not well spent? In recent times, they've been relying on Jerome and Chamakh up front, both loanee signings. I could well be wrong, and I'm playing Devil's advocate somewhat but I maintain, if a club makes a serious offer of around 4m for Moore, City would probably consider it quite seriously. Therefore, 2 million, as an audacious starting bid, is what I would have expected. As i've said. I've always considered the 'value' of players a fascinating subject and there is usually more than meets than eye in terms of final transfer values. I think Babylon, as usual, has got this one about spot on though...
Dan Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 Nope. 2m quid for a yet unproven (At Prem level) young lad is a decent opening bid. Of course we know how good he is, and the signs are he'll only get better. But theres not a huge amount of money around at present. FFP will hit the Premiership next season is it? A couple of years ago I'd have seen this offer as derisory. But with young Liam, any side will be buying POTENTIAL. And a couple of million, I maintain is not a bad starting bid. If that offer gets increased to 3 or 4 million, City might have to seriously think before turning it down. Personally, I see Moore as the future of our defence. But money talks, as we all know. What I'm saying is I doubt this might be as clear cut as you think? If a Prem club want him and make a realistic offer, they may well get him. Take Saha for example. He went to UTD for a sum of money which now looks crazy in the current financial climate. And has hardly featured. The future of our defence (your words), and you'd sell that for £3/4mil? It ain't worth it IMO.
Hugo Sanchez Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 Interesting one this. 2m is a decent sum of money these days. Im delighted we've rejected it and this must show we really rate Moore and that we intend to get promoted! 2 Million is decent sum of money, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Grandpa, this isn't 1990. It's a insult. Fulham are the biggest tinpot club in england. They are a 2nd division club at best. They're a tourist attraction for tourists wanting to sample english soccer. Hope they down and go bust.
Guest ttfn Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 Sorry but for me those 2 statements don't match. If we wouldn't miss him that much then £5m plus a load of extras is ridiculous. Why? We might miss him in the long term but as far as our promotion push is concerned we've got Miquel and Was, both of whom have performed to a good level. Just because we've got a load of players who play his position doesn't make his value lower in an open market where we don't have to sell.
Guest Col city fan Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 Why? We might miss him in the long term but as far as our promotion push is concerned we've got Miquel and Was, both of whom have performed to a good level. Just because we've got a load of players who play his position doesn't make his value lower in an open market where we don't have to sell. A lot of clubs have and do, sell players who they 'didn't have to sell'. Such is the power of the market. There WILL be a figure at which City would sell Moore. The question is, and it's a fascinating one, what that figure would be? For instance, City, like Palace did with Zaha last season, COULD sell Moore now, but insist on keeping him to the end of the season.
Dan Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 Comparing him to Hobbs is a mistake as well - we sold him for less than he was worth (in my opinion). I reckon we could easily get £5mil for Moore. Leicester have taken the exact stance I hoped they would.
Banks Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 We will easily get 5m if we want too. Don't sell him though, he's key if we are to be promoted.
Fox92 Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 2 Million is decent sum of money, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Grandpa, this isn't 1990. It's a insult. Fulham are the biggest tinpot club in england. They are a 2nd division club at best. They're a tourist attraction for tourists wanting to sample english soccer. Hope they down and go bust. It's no wonder other fans think we come across as arrogant. "Tinpot" - I hate that word. It seems like a word people use when another club seem to be doing better than us... "Hope they go bust" - I never get this reaction to clubs. I don't like certain clubs but I'd never want them to go bust because I'm a football fan at the end of the day. A football club has no right to play in any division. And Fulham play in the PL because they've deserved it over the years. Thankfully Fulham gave this Country George Cohen.
Guest Col city fan Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 Comparing him to Hobbs is a mistake as well - we sold him for less than he was worth (in my opinion). I reckon we could easily get £5mil for Moore. Leicester have taken the exact stance I hoped they would. Exactly... what is a player worth? To whom? and for what reason? I agree... to sell Hobbs for 1.5 and sign Mills for 4.5 was bonkers. Utterly bonkers... but.... I didn't see many people on the forum complaining about that at the time (I did... ). Hobbs was sold on the back of 'he's not a footballing defender'... and very few shed a tear. IMO we sold a defender who was, like Moore, going to be the future of our back four.. for peanuts, relatively speaking. But he WAS sold. Again, I think Babs is quite right.. the position we are in means that we can hold out for a very good fee for Moore, if we sell him at all.
ramadaone Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 challenge u to name a good Fulham youngster? bet we look elsewhere ;-) Patrick Roberts - remember the name
Guest Col city fan Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 As an aside... if we do sell Moore at least that would free-up monies to sign that prodigious talent who is Jay Emmanuel Thomas. 18 goals for the season already!!! 500k should prise him from the clutches of Brizzle City.. oooooooooo arrrrrrrrghh
ithuriel Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 Fulham can up their offer but at the end of the day we do not need to sell so it would have to be utterly ridiculous money for a player who is fully a part of our squad whilst we are pushing for promotion, cant see this happening, especially since Moore can easily wait till the end of the season and see what clubs are interested if he wants to leave.
cjslcfc Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 If we got offered enough I think he would be sold, as it would only make sense. However he is young with a lot of potential, and nowadays potential costs millions and millions. We are not in a position where we need to sell and it seems like Fulham, with a new owner and a new manager who clearly wants players, are desperate to sign players. This only adds to the fee we command. We are in a strong position here. Anyway should we get promoted I'd imagine a new longer term contract for Moore would be on the horizon. As many have said, potential promotion and the premier league with the club you support or premier league football but potential immediate relegation with Fulham? I wouldn't worry about this one. And yes, £2 million is far too little
truebluethroughandthrough Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 He's one of our own. So Fulham have had a bid , believed to be in the region of 2million, rejected swiftly for our Liam. Your dam right, take your 2mill and save it for your up and coming promotion chasing challenge! This time next season he'll be worth 10 million as Leicester sit in the top eight in the top tier in the top league in the world. God, I'm feeling confident today. 2 million? Do one!
cityfanlee23 Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 He's one of own. So Fulham have had a bid , believed to be in the region of 2million, rejected swiftly for our Liam. Your dam right, take your 2mill and save it for your up and coming promotion chasing challenge! This time next season he'll be worth 10 million as Leicester sit in the top eight in the top tier in the top league in the world. God, I'm feeling confident today. 2 million? Do one! Can I have some please? Is it expensive? do you sniff it or smoke it?
Kitchandro Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 Makes no sense for him to go there. They're in deep relegation trouble and we'll get promoted if things carry on the way they are.
Jace Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 No wonder Fulham are such a mess obviously haven't got a clue
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