Adster Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 2m is a decent sum of money these days Erm...what?
DB11 Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 liam... dont be a Richard stearman or a joe mattock some team's are worth leaving for. Fulham? they have too much to do to stay up in terms of rebuilding a team... they will spend loads in summer to avoid this again and hooe u dont get left behind. Stearman? I think since he left he's done better at Wolves than he would have done at LCFC
Langston Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 Well... tbh until liam moore you could say the same about us... We've produced 1 good player in how long? Andy King? Max Gradel?
Guest ttfn Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 Looking at the Fulham forum.. I think we touched a nerve with our comments. I don't understand the animosity between people. There are one or two throwaway comments about Fulham having a poor season (in which we beat them) and some people are throwing their toys out of the pram. "I hope they crash and burn in the play-offs". Why? Because somebody said something derogatory but true about your club? Get a grip. I wouldn't swap our position with theirs for a moment but I can't help but feel that some are being over-confident about the excellent position we're in. All things considered I reckon Fulham have just as much chance as us of being in the top flight next season. As for the comments about the respective academies, we've not produced a single player currently playing Premier League football, so people should probably clamber down from their high horses on that one. But £2 million is an absolute joke. £5 million up front and a load of extras and it starts to become feasible. Don't shoot me but I don't think we'd miss him too much if he left, as well as he's done.
damolcfc Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 Stearman? I think since he left he's done better at Wolves than he would have done at LCFC and he stuck with them so I chose a bad example, my point really was when fulham start spending again in summer things cud change for liam if still in prem
Guest Col city fan Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 Are you stuck in 1994? Nope. 2m quid for a yet unproven (At Prem level) young lad is a decent opening bid. Of course we know how good he is, and the signs are he'll only get better. But theres not a huge amount of money around at present. FFP will hit the Premiership next season is it? A couple of years ago I'd have seen this offer as derisory. But with young Liam, any side will be buying POTENTIAL. And a couple of million, I maintain is not a bad starting bid. If that offer gets increased to 3 or 4 million, City might have to seriously think before turning it down. Personally, I see Moore as the future of our defence. But money talks, as we all know. What I'm saying is I doubt this might be as clear cut as you think? If a Prem club want him and make a realistic offer, they may well get him. Take Saha for example. He went to UTD for a sum of money which now looks crazy in the current financial climate. And has hardly featured.
Guest shearfox Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 2 mill your having a laugh, they are trying to unsettle him but he wouldn't go there anyway...
Babylon Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 We were turning down decent offers for player with only a year left on their contract in the summer, there is no way we are going to be accepting any now... especially for one of our brightest prospects with years left on his contract. There is no way we'd even consider £3-£4m, not in a million years with the position we are in. £2m, is well, just laughable.
Banks Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 If we make the Prem this season then he will stay. If we don't then were in trouble. Simple as that
pazzerfox Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 I'd say, If Matt Mills is worth £5 million then Moore is worth around £25 million.
Guest Col city fan Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 We were turning down decent offers for player with only a year left on their contract in the summer, there is no way we are going to be accepting any now... especially for one of our brightest prospects with years left on his contract. There is no way we've even consider £3-£4m, not in a million years with the position we are in. £2m, is well, just laughable. How much would it take for us to sell him Babs? Usually (though not always) its attacking players who go for the big money. Those who, with a bit of skill and a good finish, can change the outcome of a game. How much would someone have to pay to get a defender who has not yet played Premiership football? Or would we not sell him at any price? Of course, I'd hate to see Moore go. I see him actually as the club's biggest future asset and one of relatively few in our squad who would make the step up very successfully. But 3?4? Million... at the moment quite a lot of money for an as yet, player who is unproven at the top level. I'd say, If Matt Mills is worth £5 million then Moore is worth around £25 million. You can't compare. What we paid for Mills was scandalous and would not happen now.
Father Ted Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 Nope. 2m quid for a yet unproven (At Prem level) young lad is a decent opening bid. Of course we know how good he is, and the signs are he'll only get better. But theres not a huge amount of money around at present. FFP will hit the Premiership next season is it? A couple of years ago I'd have seen this offer as derisory. But with young Liam, any side will be buying POTENTIAL. And a couple of million, I maintain is not a bad starting bid. If that offer gets increased to 3 or 4 million, City might have to seriously think before turning it down. Personally, I see Moore as the future of our defence. But money talks, as we all know. What I'm saying is I doubt this might be as clear cut as you think? If a Prem club want him and make a realistic offer, they may well get him. Take Saha for example. He went to UTD for a sum of money which now looks crazy in the current financial climate. And has hardly featured. I'm sorry Col but £2million for Liam Moore is quite frankly an insult. We are talking about a 20-year old ENGLISH centre back, who has cemented a place for us in the first team for a team that is top of the Championship putting in endless man of the match performances. Yes, he may not be the finished product but neither were the likes of John Terry, Gary Cahill, Rio Ferdinand at the age of 20 either. To put it into perspective, Everton signed John Stones for £3million from Barnsley, at the age of 18 and having only played 22 games for a relegation threatened Barnsley. Liam is a lot more established that John Stones was at Barnsley and I wouldn't even think about anything below £5million for one of our best prospects. Liam could become a future England centre back.
Happy Fox Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 That Redshite CB Lascelles is valued at £6m and he has played a handful of games for F****t, we should hopefully be looking for that amount or even more.
tommypello Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 How much would it take for us to sell him Babs? Usually (though not always) its attacking players who go for the big money. Those who, with a bit of skill and a good finish, can change the outcome of a game. How much would someone have to pay to get a defender who has not yet played Premiership football? Or would we not sell him at any price? Of course, I'd hate to see Moore go. I see him actually as the club's biggest future asset and one of relatively few in our squad who would make the step up very successfully. But 3?4? Million... at the moment quite a lot of money for an as yet, player who is unproven at the top level. You can't compare. What we paid for Mills was scandalous and would not happen now. Could we replace him for 3-4 million...... I have my doubts, theirs very few old school centre backs coming through these days, surely they will have to pay a premium to lure him away.
Babylon Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 How much would it take for us to sell him Babs? Usually (though not always) its attacking players who go for the big money. Those who, with a bit of skill and a good finish, can change the outcome of a game. How much would someone have to pay to get a defender who has not yet played Premiership football? Or would we not sell him at any price? Of course, I'd hate to see Moore go. I see him actually as the club's biggest future asset and one of relatively few in our squad who would make the step up very successfully. But 3?4? Million... at the moment quite a lot of money for an as yet, player who is unproven at the top level. You can't compare. What we paid for Mills was scandalous and would not happen now. I have no idea how much the owners or even Pearson would accept, but it would have to be a stupid amount for them to consider it I would imagine. If we are turning down £1.5/£2m for someone like Morgan, at his age, with only a year left on his contract, before the season even starts... there is no way we'd be accepting something similar for one of our brightest prospects for some time. I take your point about prem football, but we just do not need to sell. We are top of the league, financially secure with very rich owners. So what the player is actually worth goes out of the window. If you want something, and the person selling doesn't want or need to sell, you have to pay well above market value to get hold of it.
Fox in the North Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 Completely agree with everything you said Babs
kingfox Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 Keep him, and sell him in the next few years, we could get about £10 million for him, if he keeps on improving. Even though this is not surprising, a £2 million bid is terrible.
Uncle Albert Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 His Mrs wouldn't mind London. Disgraceful offer though from Fulham, an insult really. Leicester should show some real intent here and get Liam in the Managers office and get a contract signed on his current deal, which ends in 18 months doesn't it?
Albert Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 I have no idea how much the owners or even Pearson would accept, but it would have to be a stupid amount for them to consider it I would imagine. If we are turning down £1.5/£2m for someone like Morgan, at his age, with only a year left on his contract, before the season even starts... there is no way we'd be accepting something similar for one of our brightest prospects for some time. I take your point about prem football, but we just do not need to sell. We are top of the league, financially secure with very rich owners. So what the player is actually worth goes out of the window. If you want something, and the person selling doesn't want or need to sell, you have to pay well above market value to get hold of it. Totally agree and believe me there's not a chance of anything happening with this from the club and the players point of view. £2million is peanuts when u take into account his age and most of all potential. The bid is laughable From the players point of view, why would u want to leave your hometown team that you've supported all your life that's in the position we are both on the pitch and off. He's also got every chance of going on to captain us in the future
eye666 Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 £2m is a derisory offer. Again, to the bloke who posted that it was a decent offer for an untested (at Prem level) player - how much did Zaha go for? How much is Hughes being touted for? Young English players cost a premium these days, so if we are going to sell, we should be looking for a stupid amount. £7m + add-ons minimum we'd be looking at, but why sell now (unless there's a transfer request) when we could potentially be promoted and get the £90m bounty of Prem football? Won't happen in my opinion...!
Guest Col city fan Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 I'm sorry Col but £2million for Liam Moore is quite frankly an insult. We are talking about a 20-year old ENGLISH centre back, who has cemented a place for us in the first team for a team that is top of the Championship putting in endless man of the match performances. Yes, he may not be the finished product but neither were the likes of John Terry, Gary Cahill, Rio Ferdinand at the age of 20 either. To put it into perspective, Everton signed John Stones for £3million from Barnsley, at the age of 18 and having only played 22 games for a relegation threatened Barnsley. Liam is a lot more established that John Stones was at Barnsley and I wouldn't even think about anything below £5million for one of our best prospects. Liam could become a future England centre back. I don't really get the significance about Moore being English mate? In the Premiership there is, as yet, no rule on the number of home-grown players you need in your starting 11 for Premiership games. Just look at Arsenal for example, currently top of the league. I've always found it fascinating how players are valued, in general terms, but also in terms of potential. Home clubs and fans (who don't want a player to leave) will always seek to maximise what they state a player is worth. Then agents get involved, of course, and the whole thing becomes more complex than you'd initially think. Why we are in a strong position, as a selling club, is because we are currently top and looking for promotion, very realistically, and also because Moore is a home-grown lad who clearly loves the club. What would be his 'value' if, for example, we were currently mid-table and probably going to stay in the Championship. Would Moore then look at a Premiership move more favourably? Most probably he would. Jack Hobbs is a good example IMO. Hobbs, particularly in his season alongside Brown looked very very good. Then Sven came in (when we were also going for promotion) and off Hobbs went for 1.5 million I believe? Is Moore (to take 5 million as a figure) really worth 3.5 million more than Hobbs? Is Moore THAT much better than Hobbs? How things are presently (in the current footballing and general financial climate), we could theoretically sell Moore for 4 million and effectively replace him with 3 or 4 good standard signings, some of whom may well have had Prem experience? I don't think City will do this. I think we value Moore highly. All I'm saying is, there would probably be a 'cut-off figure', so to speak, at which another club will bid and we would think seriously about their bid. For an, as yet, unproven centre-back, I would speculate that figure to be close to 4 million quid. If a Prem club seriously came in with that figure, we would probably have to think very carefully about it.
Fox92 Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 I was about to say the same thing. When was the last time Fulham bought a decent youngster up through their academy? Chris Smalling?
EnderbyFox Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 Chris Smalling? They bought him from Maidstone
hackneyfox Posted 15 January 2014 Posted 15 January 2014 But £2 million is an absolute joke. £5 million up front and a load of extras and it starts to become feasible. Don't shoot me but I don't think we'd miss him too much if he left, as well as he's done. Sorry but for me those 2 statements don't match. If we wouldn't miss him that much then £5m plus a load of extras is ridiculous.
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