Humble Pie

[Dan]

Mine;

 

Pearson - I really did think he'd lost it last season. Seemed to me like he had absolutely no answer to the way we fell off and although we did improve in the end, he blew it, for me. But I said the whole time it was worth giving him another go because he doesn't just turn shit overnight (although he seemed like he had), I'm delighted the owners made that decision. He's been absolutely excellent this season so far and if he wins the league then it's easily his best achievement to date as a manager.

 

Vardy - I could never fault his work rate, but he seemed to have no real ability at all. However - I always think back to the first half of last season and I've said this a few times, but how many people at the end of last season would've taken Keane & Wood over Whitbread & Vardy? Pretty much all of us - yet which pairing were the regulars when we were near the top? It was the former and I've learned this season that it isn't co-incidence. His movement is terrific and his confidence is sky high. He's very much a confidence player and when he's got it, he's a serious asset. Well done Vardy.

 

Dyer - Dyer's always had some worth to us but this year he's been on another level. His all-round game has improved no end and he's putting his pace to the use that for me, he should've done a while ago. I'm loving this season's Dyer and he's a serious asset.

 

Drinkwater - Tailed off completely last season and I thought it was the end for him when I heard he was meant to be going, but I'm glad he hasn't because he's a cracking player.

[Monsell1976]

Everything I said over this and the previous two seasons I meant.

Praise when praise is due, and criticism when criticism is due.

With you on this, whatever any of us thought about players, managers etc was warranted and where opinions at the time, this is a new season with new opinions but doesn't change anything in the past.

[Guest ttfn]

I thought Pearson had well and truly lost the dressing room in March and that he really ought to have been replaced after the Barnsley debacle.

 

Also, I wanted Brian McDermott or Nigel Adkins to replace him.

 

I am truly, truly sorry.

Basically this (except I didn't want McDermott).

 

I never wanted to want Pearson out. I had the utmost respect for what he had achieved at the club, but as anybody who was at Barnsley will tell you, that was such a heartless, pathetic, toxic display that I couldn't see a way back and was surprised he made it to the next morning as City manager.

 

I thought Drinkwater's form in September/October 2012 was a flash in the pan. It wasn't. He played very poorly and timidly for about three months between January and April. 

 

I'm not sorry I criticised him last season. I am sorry I thought that the January-April form was more representative of his ability than September-October.

[demon_dog]

Liike many wanted N.P. gone.

Big mistake.

[Itsthejoeker]

I questioned whether Pearson would do well at all in his second term here, doing well to prove me wrong!

[ousefox]

Only one I can think of for me is Bolton not being in the top 6 this season after how well they played against us at the back end of last season.

[Guest Col city fan]

Theres no reason to eat humble pie. Unless you REALLY have an eye for a player, most people will base opinions on what they are seeing at the time. Drinkwater, for example, went completely off the boil last season which made many people wonder whether he was as good as they first thought. Now they can see he is and the forum is back to the 'he's the best thing since sliced bread' viewpoint.

This runs the risk of you looking daft if you start criticising a player before you can genuinely know if they are any good or not but its kind of human nature to rush at an opinion. For example, how many people last season thought that Vardy was never going to be good enough (and said so), whilst how many people said that Waghorn was going to be a superb, long term signing for the club when, actually, he's become pretty bang average.

Its for this reason that I remain confused at the 'I told you so' threads about Pearson. There have been so many of these, stating people are 'trolls' and 'naysayers' when actually we have still won nothing. It looks like we will, but as of yet, we still have work to do.

The biggest slice of humble pie (if people want to use that phrase) will have to be eaten by those who are currently 'criticising the criticisers' should City fail to get promotion this season. If the unthinkable happens and we fail again, will the 'I told you so' brigade back down and eat 'humble pie' themselves? Somehow I doubt it.

[Mark_w]

Theres no reason to eat humble pie. Unless you REALLY have an eye for a player, most people will base opinions on what they are seeing at the time. Drinkwater, for example, went completely off the boil last season which made many people wonder whether he was as good as they first thought. Now they can see he is and the forum is back to the 'he's the best thing since sliced bread' viewpoint.

This runs the risk of you looking daft if you start criticising a player before you can genuinely know if they are any good or not but its kind of human nature to rush at an opinion. For example, how many people last season thought that Vardy was never going to be good enough (and said so), whilst how many people said that Waghorn was going to be a superb, long term signing for the club when, actually, he's become pretty bang average.

Its for this reason that I remain confused at the 'I told you so' threads about Pearson. There have been so many of these, stating people are 'trolls' and 'naysayers' when actually we have still won nothing. It looks like we will, but as of yet, we still have work to do.

The biggest slice of humble pie (if people want to use that phrase) will have to be eaten by those who are currently 'criticising the criticisers' should City fail to get promotion this season. If the unthinkable happens and we fail again, some people on this forum really are going to look bloody daft.

 

So in conclusion if we were right about Pearson (and it's looking pretty likely) you don't have to 'eat humble pie' because it's silly to ever admit you were wrong. But if we were wrong we have to?

 

You're quite happy to say 'I told you so' whenever you get anything right or when it looks like you might have got something right (and I know that's done in jest at times, but you do it seriously on a lot of occasions), surely then you should admit you were wrong to want Pearson sacked last year?

[Fez of Mahrez]

So that's a no then?

It's just an opportunity for people to admit if they were wrong about something, not some sort of witch hunt. I like Pearson as much as anyone but have held my hands up on a few things.

It's not about being wrong that, for example, Drinkwater was poor in the second half of last season. He was. It's about saying he wasn't good enough when he's proven since that he is.

[Babylon]

It's not about being wrong that, for example, Drinkwater was poor in the second half of last season. He was. It's about saying he wasn't good enough when he's proven since that he is.

Precisely, people don't seem to be able to differentiate between saying "xxxx player hasn't been playing very well recently" and "xxxxx player is shit, we should get rid".

 

The start of last year Pearson, Drinkwater and Vardy all showed promise of what might be to come, I'm more surprised people are surprised than I am about them actually putting in good performances again.

[Itsthejoeker]

So that's a no then?

It's just an opportunity for people to admit if they were wrong about something, not some sort of witch hunt. I like Pearson as much as anyone but have held my hands up on a few things.

It's not about being wrong that, for example, Drinkwater was poor in the second half of last season. He was. It's about saying he wasn't good enough when he's proven since that he is.

 

Definitely, I didn't make this thread for everyone to be ridiculed for what they've said, it was purely an opportunity for some of us to stand up and say "my bad, i was wrong about that".

[Hirsty The Blue 94]

1. I thought Nige would get Beckford firing, turns out he is useless.

2. Until this season wasn't thrilled with 'league 1 Lloyd' but he has been phenomenal

3. Thought Vardy had played his last game against Boro last year, but incredible transformation.

[VLC86]

Anything to confess shearfox?

[Mark_w]

Yuki Abe as well, wrote him off far too quickly (though I didn't post it on here).

[damolcfc]

I've always thought if I ever get the runs on matchday we could beat a team 6 or 7 nil

6 or 7 -1

[damolcfc]

Anything to confess shearfox?

he is 100% sure that he knows who is who and what they look like (even at mid sunday morning when after a long argument with himself was still sure that alleged incident happened)

[theessexfox]

I slated Harry Kane for being shit.... and he still is.

 

Only time I've called for NP's head was after Barnsley. Humble pie there. 

[CosbehFox]

Strange really after that Barnsley game, I was indifferent. Unless relegation is calling, I think a manager should be given a season and then assessed.

And it's far too earlier yet we aren't even at two thirds for the season

[Bob Weasel Fox]

Theres no reason to eat humble pie. Unless you REALLY have an eye for a player, most people will base opinions on what they are seeing at the time. Drinkwater, for example, went completely off the boil last season which made many people wonder whether he was as good as they first thought. Now they can see he is and the forum is back to the 'he's the best thing since sliced bread' viewpoint.

This runs the risk of you looking daft if you start criticising a player before you can genuinely know if they are any good or not but its kind of human nature to rush at an opinion. For example, how many people last season thought that Vardy was never going to be good enough (and said so), whilst how many people said that Waghorn was going to be a superb, long term signing for the club when, actually, he's become pretty bang average.

Its for this reason that I remain confused at the 'I told you so' threads about Pearson. There have been so many of these, stating people are 'trolls' and 'naysayers' when actually we have still won nothing. It looks like we will, but as of yet, we still have work to do.

The biggest slice of humble pie (if people want to use that phrase) will have to be eaten by those who are currently 'criticising the criticisers' should City fail to get promotion this season. If the unthinkable happens and we fail again, will the 'I told you so' brigade back down and eat 'humble pie' themselves? Somehow I doubt it.

You are spot on Col

Especially the last paragraph

Theres no reason to eat humble pie. Unless you REALLY have an eye for a player, most people will base opinions on what they are seeing at the time. Drinkwater, for example, went completely off the boil last season which made many people wonder whether he was as good as they first thought. Now they can see he is and the forum is back to the 'he's the best thing since sliced bread' viewpoint.

This runs the risk of you looking daft if you start criticising a player before you can genuinely know if they are any good or not but its kind of human nature to rush at an opinion. For example, how many people last season thought that Vardy was never going to be good enough (and said so), whilst how many people said that Waghorn was going to be a superb, long term signing for the club when, actually, he's become pretty bang average.

Its for this reason that I remain confused at the 'I told you so' threads about Pearson. There have been so many of these, stating people are 'trolls' and 'naysayers' when actually we have still won nothing. It looks like we will, but as of yet, we still have work to do.

The biggest slice of humble pie (if people want to use that phrase) will have to be eaten by those who are currently 'criticising the criticisers' should City fail to get promotion this season. If the unthinkable happens and we fail again, will the 'I told you so' brigade back down and eat 'humble pie' themselves? Somehow I doubt it.

You are spot on Col

Especially the last paragraph

[Harry - LCFC]

I suppose mine would have to be thinking that Burnley would tail off after their good start. Not ruling it out yet but it does appear I wrong there. Also very confident that Bolton were going to be up there, woops.

 

A few surprises here and there at Leicester but nothing has really shocked me I don't think. Expected Vardy to get better but not this much better!

[DB11]

I've always been a fan of Pearson! However, I did think that Konchesky was past it before the season began.

[5waller5]

If it was up to me Dyer, Vardy, Moore and Drinkwater could have gone in the summer and I wouldn't have cared. This season they've been amongst our best performers.

 

I was also worried Pearson had lost it. 80% of people accepted that he probably should go before the Forest game on the last day.

 

Pretty much sums up my confession too!!!

[MC Prussian]

If it was up to me Dyer, Vardy, Moore and Drinkwater could have gone in the summer and I wouldn't have cared. This season they've been amongst our best performers.

 

I was also worried Pearson had lost it. 80% of people accepted that he probably should go before the Forest game on the last day.

Where do you take those 80% from, I wonder?

 

80% of the Foxestalk community voted in favour of Pearson, nine days after the 3-2 away win at Forest and two days after the playoff exit against Watford.

http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/topic/88432-nigel-pearson-stay-or-go/

 

60% of the Foxestalk community voted in favor of him to stay in a poll conducted a week before the away game at Forest:

http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/topic/87746-pearson-should-he-stay-or-should-he-go/?mode=show

[Unabomber]

I thought Bolton would win the league, I also thought Reading would be up there.

[Mark_w]

Where do you take those 80% from, I wonder?

 

80% of the Foxestalk community voted in favour of Pearson, nine days after the 3-2 away win at Forest and two days after the playoff exit against Watford.

http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/topic/88432-nigel-pearson-stay-or-go/

 

60% of the Foxestalk community voted in favor of him to stay in a poll conducted a week before the away game at Forest:

http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/topic/87746-pearson-should-he-stay-or-should-he-go/?mode=show

 

It's clear that Pearson is not a patch, tactically, on the likes of Zola.

 

Ah, there's some funny stuff in those threads.