We now have double the points of Watford

[MC Prussian]

What?

 

You can't complain that the world and it's sister has some misconception towards Leicester's financial situation and FFP compliance and then post shite like this.

 

Aside from Hogg (wanted to move up north to be near his family), Chalobah (because Chelsea are *****) and Vydra (because he wanted to play in the EPL), we have the same players from last season plus a few extra...

 

That's three, probably a lower than average turnover rate - the way some fans (all clubs, not just Leicester) go on you'd have thought we loaned 11 people last season, none of those are at Watford anymore, and we have 20 different players instead

 

Anya, Abdi, Ekstrand, Cassetti, Battocchio, Forestieri, Pudil all joined permanently, joined by some more, not replaced by some more.

 

Also - congrats on seemingly romping away to the league title and promotion, you've bounced back astoundingly whereas we haven't but we'll get there eventually, I'm confident of that.

 

Idiot:

 

 

Replace FFP/last three years with our 'model' and Pearson's shrewdness with THE FACT THAT WE BLOODY KEPT THEM PERMANENTLY. etc.

I'm not saying that you haven't learned from the loanee experiment last season, but if you are indeed less relying on loanees this season and counting on pretty much the same squad, then why are you performing worse than before?

I can see that some players were transferred or wanted a move, but looking at your current squad (which is very bloated in terms of amount of players) you're still experimenting and just can't get that consistency going.

Losing Zola certainly didn't help - how long do you think will your board give the new manager before they turn the carousel with a mix 'n match move?

 

Watford are lost in limbo, two steps forward and two steps back simultaneously. Maybe in a few years time, you'll get that stability you need.

As of right now, it appears as if you're in the process of consolidation - which could continue into the start of next season. I can't see you going places up until May.

[Foxymcoxy]

Yeah fair enough tbh, people have been posting a load of shit about Watford on here. It is the nature of football forums/fans. Still don't agree with all the loans and am skeptical about how different it is that your parent club sold them to you this year.  

[davieG]

It would seem like a large section of fans are misinformed who ever they support including many on here.

We've become a nation of headline readers which would be fine if there was any chance of them remotely representing fact and truth.

You can't blame fans of other clubs for having distorted views of our spending when we've got plenty of our own spouting headline shite.

[jmono84]

What?

You can't complain that the world and it's sister has some misconception towards Leicester's financial situation and FFP compliance and then post shite like this.

Aside from Hogg (wanted to move up north to be near his family), Chalobah (because Chelsea are *****) and Vydra (because he wanted to play in the EPL), we have the same players from last season plus a few extra...

That's three, probably a lower than average turnover rate - the way some fans (all clubs, not just Leicester) go on you'd have thought we loaned 11 people last season, none of those are at Watford anymore, and we have 20 different players instead

Anya, Abdi, Ekstrand, Cassetti, Battocchio, Forestieri, Pudil all joined permanently, joined by some more, not replaced by some more.

Also - congrats on seemingly romping away to the league title and promotion, you've bounced back astoundingly whereas we haven't but we'll get there eventually, I'm confident of that.

Idiot:

Replace FFP/last three years with our 'model' and Pearson's shrewdness with THE FACT THAT WE BLOODY KEPT THEM PERMANENTLY. etc.

How many of those players listed were signed from udinese and for how much?

[Corky]

I thought we'd moved away from this Watford nonsense. Yes, they had their moment, they were happy to win that game and lose the play-off final, good luck to them.

 

Hopefully we'll beat them in 10 days and they will totally fade into the distance.

[Super_horns]

This Watford model lark! What a complete cop out. How is having ten players sent to you every season going to help you build a team?

We've kept most of the loan players from last season TBF and only added one or two more over this season plus using the domestic loan market as anyone can although I agree its not always good to rely on short term deals if you aren't going to get them on a permanent basis.

 

We found that out under Mackay when for half a season we had Jordan Mutch and Andrew Taylor on loan for half a season so we were in the top half but they went and we slipped back into mid-table.

 

The key as Vince suggests is that we haven't replaced the goals of Vydra (whilst Deeney hasn't had the same form) and Abdi's injury has hit us hard.

 

Most fans would look to Nani and the transfers made last summer for the lack of success this season rather than blaming the Pozzos particularly.

 

The only striker we brought for example has already gone back out on loan elsewhere!

 

Would admit we were found out somewhat but again that is more down to Zola as a manager and his tactics...

 

Sannino at least seems able to organise a defence which is a start.

 

Must admit you would be hard pressed to pick a 1-2-3 for Player of the Season from out lot!

[RookeryHorn]

Explain the model and say why it's going to lead to glory.

Let's take the foreign part out of it, under Sven we signed all and sundry and it never worked. We signed 15 plus players and they never gelled. It's only now after a bit of wheeling and dealing, getting a squad slowly together over the past two and half years that we are here. Burnley another a good example.

As for Vydra, Pozzo's should have first signed him as a Watford player and then passed him onto West Brom. Therefore Watford are duly rewarded for their development of Vydra and Udinese aren't the ones claiming the dough.

Little worrying about Pozzo's complete ignorance of the youth teams and refusing to support the club into Category 1? Therefore allowing teams to poach your best youngsters at a small price.

 

I'm happy to explain/debate things, it's just irritating when people assume things, get in a hissy fit about it and moan about things, when they don't really have any idea what's going on - in a similar vain to people moaning about Leicester/Debt/FFP I suppose.

 

We got a lot of players last year, who all came in on loan because the Pozzo's takeover of the club happened less than week before the transfer deadline day, not leaving enough time to sort out the administration behind permanent transfers. The plan was to ALWAYS make the contracts permanent at the end of the season or earlier, Forestieri's was made permanent in January, everyone elses in June APART.. from Vydra, who who HIMSELF (/his agent) wanted a crack at the Premiership, so fair enough, off he want to bench warm for Victor ****ing Anichebe. Who actually sells a player is neither here nor there, it's money out of one pocket into the other - it's also not actually disclosed who had the players registration forms and sold them but again, neither here nor there.

 

As for our academy - we still contribute more money into it than the Category 1 states, but we chose not to go for C1 - not sure why, we still have Harefield, one of the leading academy schemes in the country, we still have a good youth side (knocked cup winners Norwich out of the cup at the weekend, 3-1) that contains a lot of youth internationals.

 

Like yourselves, when the Pozzo's came in they needed to cut costs too, because our previous owner was a crook and had borrowed money against the club and pocketed it, whilst we were also not a very self sustaining club (relying on £3M+ transfer sales a year) because of our low attendances etc. Now though, our commercial income is over double, we turned over a profit for the first time (without selling anyone) and we've got our fourth stand on the way finally after a decade or two of false promises.

 

Also (this'll really rile you up) if the Pozzo's were concerned about youngsters being poached, they'd transfer the registration to Udinese/Granada but keep them at Watford, thus exempting them from the bullshit EPPP poaching ridiculousness.

[RookeryHorn]

I'm not saying that you haven't learned from the loanee experiment last season, but if you are indeed less relying on loanees this season and counting on pretty much the same squad, then why are you performing worse than before?

I can see that some players were transferred or wanted a move, but looking at your current squad (which is very bloated in terms of amount of players) you're still experimenting and just can't that consistency going.

Losing Zola certainly didn't help - how long do you think will your board give the new manager before they turn the carousel with a mix 'n match move?

 

Watford are lost in limbo, two steps forward and two steps back simultaneously. Maybe in a few years time, you'll get that stability you need.

As of right now, it appears as if you're in the process of consolidation - which could continue into the start of next season. I can't see you going places up until May.

 

You need to remember also that the Pozzo ownership is barely 18 months old, the first season was always a flash in the pan because it was unexpected, no one could prepare for what we did. People said very similar things of Zola at West Ham by the way, first season great, second season found out and had no Plan B - which is essentially what happened here. Most didn't want him too, but he didn't have the answers and after double figures of defeats, he resigned to let someone else try and resurrect our season. The Pozzo's brought in someone they knew, who could sure(/shore?) up the defence and make us tactically resolute, the changes since have been significant but we do need to start pressing on and winning games if we're to salvage anything from this season. If you look at Watford five years ago, we still would have had loanees (though English undoubtedly) and we still would have had the odd superstar striker, and they would have been returned/sold and we'd be left with gaps, that's exactly the same that's happened in principle with Chalobah/Vydra, and we've struggled to replace them because the better the player is, the more difficult it is. With no Vydra we don't have a lightening quick striker upfront to really pull defences apart and leave masses of space for everyone to operate in.

 

It would seem like a large section of fans are misinformed who ever they support including many on here.

We've become a nation of headline readers which would be fine if there was any chance of them remotely representing fact and truth.

You can't blame fans of other clubs for having distorted views of our spending when we've got plenty of our own spouting headline shite.

 

Agree with that, probably guilty of it myself on some things.

 

How many of those players listed were signed from udinese and for how much?

 

Will be honest, I've no idea how much for as it's all undisclosed, probably for free because it wouldn't make sense to pay fees. This summer we signed on 3/4/5 year deals 10 players from Udinese/Granada, in January we've just bought another too.

[Fox92]

"He who laughs last, laughs longest".

[Hungry Hungry Fox]

"They will go up, a likely outcome is they'll come back down again and end up in more debt. If they consolidate themselves then fair play it's fully deserved because they've been amazing this season but once again the blow is softened by knowing that we will eventually go up and when we do we're much more likely to survive with the model and owners we have."

[RookeryHorn]

"They will go up, a likely outcome is they'll come back down again and end up in more debt. If they consolidate themselves then fair play it's fully deserved because they've been amazing this season but once again the blow is softened by knowing that we will eventually go up and when we do we're much more likely to survive with the model and owners we have."

 

This is the other issue, a lot of our fans now think the sun shines out our own backsides.

 

PS - hungry hungry hippos was my favourite game as a small child

[kingfox]

I hate it when someone makes a thread regarding Watford, as my Mum supports them.

 

Makes interesting reading sometimes though.

 

Will read later as I'm on dinner break, unless this thread gets deleted.

[Hungry Hungry Fox]

"Fair play to them, been the most consistent side in the division thus far. If you look at their squad I don't think there's too many who would get into our starting XI so just goes to show what a good job Pearson is doing plus the importance of trying to keep a settled team without too many personnel changes."

No I'm sure not many of our players would get into their team

[GingerrrFox]

Of course we've moved on, Zola has gone and we've got a man who is much more tactically aware and it's showing already. The Pozzo's are building all the time and we are going to become a footballing force in this country, have no doubt about that. People such as yourself can only see the here and now, try looking ahead now and again. By the time the rail link is finished in 2017 we'll be shipping in Premiership fans to Vicarage Road station to a packed ground with 4 fantastic stands, whilst the Leicesters, Palaces, QPR's and Cardiffs will be wallowing back in midtable Championship obscurity once again with squads full of aging overpaid and fat footballers.

The moron is you mate.

 

I've seen everything now. Unbelievable

[Heart-Shaped Fox]

Couldnt give a shit about Watford

[ScouseFox]

So Watford are in a better position for the future because they're gonna have their own train station in 3 years. Hmm.

[Babylon]

"Fair play to them, been the most consistent side in the division thus far. If you look at their squad I don't think there's too many who would get into our starting XI so just goes to show what a good job Pearson is doing plus the importance of trying to keep a settled team without too many personnel changes."

No I'm sure not many of our players would get into their team

 

Deary me, they sound like the idiots we have on here who proclaimed Abe, Danns, Beckford, Mills etc to be world beaters without a shred of evidence they were such.

 

[Babylon]

So Watford are in a better position for the future because they're gonna have their own train station in 3 years. Hmm.

[Babylon]

It's quite odd how football seems to remove any shred of common sense from most people.

[Chazwaz]

"Fair play to them, been the most consistent side in the division thus far. If you look at their squad I don't think there's too many who would get into our starting XI so just goes to show what a good job Pearson is doing plus the importance of trying to keep a settled team without too many personnel changes."

 

Seriously?   

[Carl the Llama]

"Fair play to them, been the most consistent side in the division thus far. If you look at their squad I don't think there's too many who would get into our starting XI so just goes to show what a good job Pearson is doing plus the importance of trying to keep a settled team without too many personnel changes."

No I'm sure not many of our players would get into their team

So players currently starting matches for the team who have won 8 back-to-back to go 8 points clear at the top would struggle to get into the starting XI of a team who have won one in the last ten? I just wish there was an internet term for being crippled with laughter while simultaneous smashing in the face of deluded pondlife because that's how I feel right now.

[CosbehFox]

I'm happy to explain/debate things, it's just irritating when people assume things, get in a hissy fit about it and moan about things, when they don't really have any idea what's going on - in a similar vain to people moaning about Leicester/Debt/FFP I suppose.

We got a lot of players last year, who all came in on loan because the Pozzo's takeover of the club happened less than week before the transfer deadline day, not leaving enough time to sort out the administration behind permanent transfers. The plan was to ALWAYS make the contracts permanent at the end of the season or earlier, Forestieri's was made permanent in January, everyone elses in June APART.. from Vydra, who who HIMSELF (/his agent) wanted a crack at the Premiership, so fair enough, off he want to bench warm for Victor ****ing Anichebe. Who actually sells a player is neither here nor there, it's money out of one pocket into the other - it's also not actually disclosed who had the players registration forms and sold them but again, neither here nor there.

As for our academy - we still contribute more money into it than the Category 1 states, but we chose not to go for C1 - not sure why, we still have Harefield, one of the leading academy schemes in the country, we still have a good youth side (knocked cup winners Norwich out of the cup at the weekend, 3-1) that contains a lot of youth internationals.

Like yourselves, when the Pozzo's came in they needed to cut costs too, because our previous owner was a crook and had borrowed money against the club and pocketed it, whilst we were also not a very self sustaining club (relying on £3M+ transfer sales a year) because of our low attendances etc. Now though, our commercial income is over double, we turned over a profit for the first time (without selling anyone) and we've got our fourth stand on the way finally after a decade or two of false promises.

Also (this'll really rile you up) if the Pozzo's were concerned about youngsters being poached, they'd transfer the registration to Udinese/Granada but keep them at Watford, thus exempting them from the bullshit EPPP poaching ridiculousness.

Nice to have a reasoned, well informed reply rather than idiot.

[Carl the Llama]

I'd like it on record that after checking out the Watford forum they clearly just have the same problem all forums have (idiots).  It seems that most of them actually don't think Deeney's goal is more important than getting promoted, and in fact a lot of them have made very sensible points and have policed their idiots with sound reasoning (not that it's worked - they're still idiots after all).

[Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo]

It's all well and good trying to mock them as a fanbase but the majority of them are actually very level-headed. Good god - if they ever heard our post-match moan-ins they'd have some golden ammo - as just like ANY club, we have a minority of dickhead fans

 

The Knockaert penalty incident was naturally going to cause something of a short-term rivalry for how much was riding on it and how bizarre a football moment it was but if you were a Watford fan, of course it's an incredible memory. To say things like "that's the only glory they'll ever have, the tinpot arses" is just setting yoursen up for the biggest egg-on-face moment next weekend. Stop wasting your time on their forums and do something positive, like fashioning a wig from your own pubes and send it to Dyche. Must be chilly in Burnley this time of the year

[Hungry Hungry Fox]

"I don't see why it was such a bad statement to make. As a club, I'd say we have better players at our disposal and Leicester, as a club, are playing better as a team. I can understand that because they are higher than us in the table people may see it as them having better players but that is not always the case. As UORNS has said their starting line-up last night wasn't anything to write home about. Schmeichel is a good keeper but had a tendancy to switch off at times in the past. Nugent likes a goal against us. Putting any other of their starting 11 in our team, in my opinion, would not improve it because as soon as you take them out of that Leicester team you have a player again."

Sorry, I just can't help myself lol lol