England v Uruguay

[eye666]

Won't happen but personally would love to see a front 4 of:

 

Sterling     Barkley    Oxlade

 

                Rooney

 

During the tournament is not the time to be tinkering with the team, so can't see many changes from Woy (if any).

[MooseBreath]

Can't see roy jumping on the rooney scapegoat bandwagon so I'm guessing he'll play the same team but will have rooney central and sterling on the left.

Personally I'd like to see rooney up front with sturridge, welbeck/gerrard/sterling all with attack minded roles just behind, then a defensive unit of the back 4 plus henderson

[AKCJ]

I don't get the desperate need to change.

We played well against a side that is just better. If we play as well as we did against Italy then we'll beat these.

[Bugg]

I think we'll beat them by a couple of goals, their defence and midfield are incredibly average and I'm not even sure if Suarez will be fully fit against us either

[Grandad.]

Well I can tell you now GingerFox, Gerrard won't be dropped. 

 

Like I have said, I can't remember a great amount from Saturday so I won't defend or praise Gerrard, sounds like he didn't get control of the game like he has all season for Liverpool (who were second in the Premier League, the most intense League in Europe) so I have no idea where you have created this myth that he hasn't got the legs anymore. 

 

England and Liverpool are playing two different systems, Gerrard for Liverpool has two workers in front of him in Henderson and Lucas/Allen, he doesn't for England, he has Henderson by his side, clearly not working. The way Liverpool play is to have the two dog workers in front of Gerrard to free him, a bit like De Rossi and Marchisio to free Piro, it isn't rocket science mate. 

 

This is why I have said all along we need to play a diamond in midfield, I can't see Roy doing that, far too adventurous for him, yet it is the most logical formation and system to use. You would have Gerrard free, Henderson and Wilshire/Lallana as the dogs in front of him breaking play up and winning the second ball, Sterling in the hole where he played Saturday, allows your full backs to play as wing backs and importantly Wayne Rooney plays in his best position as an out and out striker along side Daniel Sturridge. 

 

Henderson and Wilshire/Lallana are deployed as percentage footballers, they block spaces, they close gaps, they allow their full backs to push on and be your wingers, yeah you'll say I am only saying this because of Liverpool, well it worked for us didn't it? There's currently 5 Liverpool players in the starting eleven for England so why not set up in the system where they have been playing for the last 6 months? Wilshire can do what Lucas or Joe Allen do for Liverpool, don't usually give him credit on here but Wilshire could probably do it better than either of them. 

 

Too much negativity in our play, what we got out of playing two strikers as wingers on Saturday I will never know. 

[Grandad.]

HART

 

JOHNSON -- CAHILL -- JAGIELKA -- BAINES

 

GERRARD

 

HENDERSON -------------- WILSHIRE

 

STERLING

 

STURRIDGE ---------- ROONEY

[StanSP]

Be nice to actually see Rooney in his position, behind the striker. Welbeck and Sterling out wide. Think Welbeck would cover Baines more as well.

 

Welbeck got switched out to the left immediately after HT vs Italy and didn't cover/support Baines and it led to their goal.

[Stadt]

Well I can tell you now GingerFox, Gerrard won't be dropped.

Like I have said, I can't remember a great amount from Saturday so I won't defend or praise Gerrard, sounds like he didn't get control of the game like he has all season for Liverpool (who were second in the Premier League, the most intense League in Europe) so I have no idea where you have created this myth that he hasn't got the legs anymore.

England and Liverpool are playing two different systems, Gerrard for Liverpool has two workers in front of him in Henderson and Lucas/Allen, he doesn't for England, he has Henderson by his side, clearly not working. The way Liverpool play is to have the two dog workers in front of Gerrard to free him, a bit like De Rossi and Marchisio to free Piro, it isn't rocket science mate.

This is why I have said all along we need to play a diamond in midfield, I can't see Roy doing that, far too adventurous for him, yet it is the most logical formation and system to use. You would have Gerrard free, Henderson and Wilshire/Lallana as the dogs in front of him breaking play up and winning the second ball, Sterling in the hole where he played Saturday, allows your full backs to play as wing backs and importantly Wayne Rooney plays in his best position as an out and out striker along side Daniel Sturridge.

Henderson and Wilshire/Lallana are deployed as percentage footballers, they block spaces, they close gaps, they allow their full backs to push on and be your wingers, yeah you'll say I am only saying this because of Liverpool, well it worked for us didn't it? There's currently 5 Liverpool players in the starting eleven for England so why not set up in the system where they have been playing for the last 6 months? Wilshire can do what Lucas or Joe Allen do for Liverpool, don't usually give him credit on here but Wilshire could probably do it better than either of them.

Too much negativity in our play, what we got out of playing two strikers as wingers on Saturday I will never know.

I agree with that but Lallana is more creative than what you give him credit for.

[Nalis]

I have a (random) feeling Lambert will be pretty influential coming off the bench for this game.

Hope so. Have Lambert at 6/4 to score anytime in the tournament.

[Grandad.]

I agree with that but Lallana is more creative than what you give him credit for.

 

I give Lallana credit mate, hence why I even mentioned him in the position where he wouldn't be as comfortable as Wilshire, I wouldn't play Lallana over Sterling or Barkley in the free role though.

 

That system of mine isn't setting Henderson and Wilshire as wingers in the diamonds, they would play narrow, they play on the right hand side of midfield..  Sterling is the man who runs around the final third free and gives you your width from either side or you full backs push forward and be your width. 

[Stadt]

I give Lallana credit mate, hence why I even mentioned him in the position where he wouldn't be as comfortable as Wilshire, I wouldn't play Lallana over Sterling or Barkley in the free role though.

That system of mine isn't setting Henderson and Wilshire as wingers in the diamonds, they would play narrow, they play on the right hand side of midfield.. Sterling is the man who runs around the final third free and gives you your width from either side or you full backs push forward and be your width.

Fair enough, I believe Lallana would be wasted in the centre unless he was playing Sterling's role which won't happen though.

When Ox is fit I'd like to see:

-------------------Sturridge

----Lallana/Sterling----Barkley/Sterling------Ox

[Dan]

Can't see roy jumping on the rooney scapegoat bandwagon so I'm guessing he'll play the same team but will have rooney central and sterling on the left.

Personally I'd like to see rooney up front with sturridge, welbeck/gerrard/sterling all with attack minded roles just behind, then a defensive unit of the back 4 plus henderson

 

Doubt we'd win if we did that.

[Ric Flair]

Well I can tell you now GingerFox, Gerrard won't be dropped. 

 

Like I have said, I can't remember a great amount from Saturday so I won't defend or praise Gerrard, sounds like he didn't get control of the game like he has all season for Liverpool (who were second in the Premier League, the most intense League in Europe) so I have no idea where you have created this myth that he hasn't got the legs anymore. 

 

England and Liverpool are playing two different systems, Gerrard for Liverpool has two workers in front of him in Henderson and Lucas/Allen, he doesn't for England, he has Henderson by his side, clearly not working. The way Liverpool play is to have the two dog workers in front of Gerrard to free him, a bit like De Rossi and Marchisio to free Piro, it isn't rocket science mate. 

 

This is why I have said all along we need to play a diamond in midfield, I can't see Roy doing that, far too adventurous for him, yet it is the most logical formation and system to use. You would have Gerrard free, Henderson and Wilshire/Lallana as the dogs in front of him breaking play up and winning the second ball, Sterling in the hole where he played Saturday, allows your full backs to play as wing backs and importantly Wayne Rooney plays in his best position as an out and out striker along side Daniel Sturridge. 

 

Henderson and Wilshire/Lallana are deployed as percentage footballers, they block spaces, they close gaps, they allow their full backs to push on and be your wingers, yeah you'll say I am only saying this because of Liverpool, well it worked for us didn't it? There's currently 5 Liverpool players in the starting eleven for England so why not set up in the system where they have been playing for the last 6 months? Wilshire can do what Lucas or Joe Allen do for Liverpool, don't usually give him credit on here but Wilshire could probably do it better than either of them. 

 

Too much negativity in our play, what we got out of playing two strikers as wingers on Saturday I will never know. 

 

I like what you're saying here, but I think The Ox will be one of the first names on the teamsheet when he's fully fit and he'll take Welbeck or Rooney's place. I also have grave concerns over our full backs, they are neither potent going forward nor resolute at the back. Johnson contributed a grand total of 1 goal and 1 assist last season for Liverpool according to something I read recently. Baines has better stats for Everton but I actually don't particularly rate him, he's slow and doesn't fit our system I don't think.

[LCFC FOX]

Lampard in for Henderson for me.

Hart

Johnson Cahill Jagielka Baines

Lampard Gerrard

Sterling Rooney Welbeck

Sturridge

Get sterling on the wing, thought welbeck played well the other night. Lampard in for experience. I'm not sure in Rooney or Barkley but went for Rooney to give him another go

[Grandad.]

I like what you're saying here, but I think The Ox will be one of the first names on the teamsheet when he's fully fit and he'll take Welbeck or Rooney's place. I also have grave concerns over our full backs, they are neither potent going forward nor resolute at the back. Johnson contributed a grand total of 1 goal and 1 assist last season for Liverpool according to something I read recently. Baines has better stats for Everton but I actually don't particularly rate him, he's slow and doesn't fit our system I don't think.

 

Yeah, I love The Ox. 

Do you think he could play that role where I have said Wilshire or Lallana mate? Know Arsenal have played him as a central midfielder a few times. We need two workers in there with quality so we free Gerrard. 

 

Johnson is dog shit, I hope Rodgers is watching these England games and seeing what we are seeing from Johnson, must be a different view when you're his manager. 

[Ric Flair]

Yeah, I love The Ox. 

Do you think he could play that role where I have said Wilshire or Lallana mate? Know Arsenal have played him as a central midfielder a few times. We need two workers in there with quality so we free Gerrard. 

 

Johnson is dog shit, I hope Rodgers is watching these England games and seeing what we are seeing from Johnson, must be a different view when you're his manager. 

 

I think the lad can play anywhere in midfield, he is that versatile. It could work. It's plain to see Gerrard needs some support to relieve the burden on him and the way the ox glides past players with ease, it makes little difference if he's doing it from deep in his own half or further upfrield. The end result will be the same, he'll take bodies and create chances for us. I cannot wait to see him take Uruguay apart on thursday, even if it's just a cameo he's revved.

[Jimothy]

Lampard in for Henderson for me.

Hart

Johnson Cahill Jagielka Baines

Lampard Gerrard

Sterling Rooney Welbeck

Sturridge

Get sterling on the wing, thought welbeck played well the other night. Lampard in for experience. I'm not sure in Rooney or Barkley but went for Rooney to give him another go

Yep Lampard, let's remove all the running and athletic ability from midfield.

[kingfox]

Someone like Oxlade-Chamberlain wouldn't suit this game, there is no point going all out attack against Uruguay, because just like against Italy, it will probably come back and bite us, as the game hits the final stages. This is yet again a perfect game for the inclusion of James Milner, Baines & Johnson need help, they need cover, and playing three in midfield, would allow Milner & Henderson to drift back and help out the defence. If Suarez is back, then that means Edison Cavani will be pushed out wide & you know how dangerous he can be.

 

This is more winnable than Italy in my opinion, because on this occasion I believe we have the better midfield; however attacking wise Uruguay are just as threatening as Italy, if not more, give Uruguay space again from out wide or in behind the midfield, then they will exploit it & cause us problems. 

 

Welbeck doesn't deserve to be dropped after Italy, if he is I will be very pissed. 

[indierich06]

Apart from playing Rooney on the left, there wasn't a lot wrong with our midfield on Saturday. It was clear that everything was going down our left flank because Rooney wasn't giving Baines the protection he needs (not his fault mind, he never should have been out there in the first place). As tempting as it is to knee-jerk and call for Rooney to be dropped, you can't just drop the team's top scorer in qualification because he had a stinker in a game where he was forced to play out of position.

 

On Saturday, I'd like to see the same side that started against Italy, with Welbeck moved over to the left hand side to provide Baines with more cover, Sterling moved over to the right and given the freedom to cut inside and Rooney down the middle, behind Sturridge, and told to stay up front where he can actually cause some damage. With Gerrard and Henderson behind him, he needn't burden himself with defensive duties.

 

It'd be a shame for Sterling, given how good he looked down the middle, but do we need Rooney? Yes, in my opinion, and Sterling is a lot better on the right hand side than Rooney is on the left. Play Rooney in a more comfortable position, give him the freedom to attack Uruguay's aging defence with pace and power, with Johnson, Sterling, Baines and Welbeck on the flanks and we should have more than enough firepower to put these to the sword.

 

The only thing to worry about is if Suarez returns.

[Super_horns]

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The only thing to worry about is if Suarez returns.

 

I am not sure wise these words are from Hodgson?

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27864400

 

Only going to motivate Suarez?

 

Anyway we really just need to at them with some pace and they looked really ropey from set pieces.

[indierich06]

 

I am not sure wise these words are from Hodgson?

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27864400

 

Only going to motivate Suarez?

 

Anyway we really just need to at them with some pace and they looked really ropey from set pieces.

 

Or heap even more pressure on him? He's not going to be match fit, his side have just suffered an embarrassing defeat, their qualification hopes have taken a massive dent and all the pressure is on him to come riding to the rescue.

 

Hodgson's words might fire him up, but they might just add to the pressure he must be feeling...

[LCFC FOX]

Yep Lampard, let's remove all the running and athletic ability from midfield.

yeah because Henderson was quality. I forgot Lampard and Gerrard have a problem so they can only walk around

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

Someone (legally) rough up Suarez early doors, let's be filthy.

[indierich06]

yeah because Henderson was quality. I forgot Lampard and Gerrard have a problem so they can only walk around

 

Thought Henderson did a tidy job to be honest. What he and Gerrard do is never going to be spectacular, but they do a workmanlike job and leave the flash stuff to the winger, the strikers and the Number 10.

 

If people are expecting Gerrard or Henderson to be marauding attacking midfielders, they're mistaken.

[Tielemans63]

I'd have Lallana in for Rooney and would probably leave it at that. I would however, tweak the formation and have Henderson slightly ahead of Gerrard - works well for Liverpool and I dont think the Uruguay midfield will look to dominate in the same way Italy did.

I'd love to see Barkley start but where do you fit him in?