Andy King

[Len Finsbury]

If you're implying "Master of None" you're being as blind as you are mocking. 

 

Isset scored 37 goals in 260 appearances for Leicester and only 39 goals in all the 296 games of his career.

King's scored 51 goals in 280 appearances.

Furthermore King has had a relatively defensive role through parts of his career - an aspect of his game that was far superior to Izzet's.

 

As much as I like Kingy, you can't compare scoring records between the two players in such simple terms as that. One has played almost his entire career in the Premier League, the other has hasn't.

I bet I wouldn't be far off saying that King has scored as many PL goals as Izzet did in the Championship.

 

It's like saying Lee Trundle was a better striker (scored 215 career goals) than Michael Owen (163).

[hackneyfox]

Muzzy is rightly described as a legend, King won't be remembered in the same way.

[filbertway]

I don't think there'd be any doubt that Muzzy was the better player. (Thracian and scouse can ignore that part )

 

But King has been an immense servant to this club and has risen to every single challenge he has faced with us. It'll be a sad day when he eventually leaves, if that happens. Wouldn't shock me to see him become an academy coach, then first team coach and finally manage us for 25 years. Kingy loves Leicester!

[ScouseFox]

Andy King is as big a Leicester legend as they come, what a ludicrous post to suggest he won't be remembered as such. Maybe by stupid, constantly on a downer idiots he won't be but by fans of Leicester and anyone with half a brain he will.

[glenelgfox]

The best thing about King is his willingness to be a 'squad player'. He's drifted in and out the first team all through the last few seasons and whenever he's been asked to do a job, he's done it without question, moaning or apathy.

Love the guy.

 

Spot on and That's why his name and number is on my shirt this year and I have never had a players name on back.  

[hackneyfox]

Andy King is as big a Leicester legend as they come, what a ludicrous post to suggest he won't be remembered as such. Maybe by stupid, constantly on a downer idiots he won't be but by fans of Leicester and anyone with half a brain he will.

Weller, Worthington, Glover, Banks, Shilton, Lineker, Lennon, Muzzy, Heskey, Walsh, Elliot .....

 

Sorry but he doesn't belong on that list.

[filbertstreet]

Spot on and That's why his name and number is on my shirt this year and I have never had a players name on back.

I've got him on my shirt from a few years ago, my brother got Kong on the back of his

[glenelgfox]

Heskey?  I would have King ahead of him re a legend.  

[AKCJ]

Weller, Worthington, Glover, Banks, Shilton, Lineker, Lennon, Muzzy, Heskey, Walsh, Elliot .....

 

Sorry but he doesn't belong on that list.

 

[ScouseFox]

Weller, Worthington, Glover, Banks, Shilton, Lineker, Lennon, Muzzy, Heskey, Walsh, Elliot .....

Sorry but he doesn't belong on that list.

why not?

by the end of this season he will have played more games than all bar walsh and he will have scored more goals than all bar walsh and lineker. he has played for us at our lowest ever point and is still here 9 seasons later whilst we top the premier league. he's scored in nearly every big game we've played for 8 years, has captained us a number of times, came through our academy and has never played for another club. in a few months he will represent us and his country in a major competition and may well be playing for us in europe too.

just because he wasn't part of "the good old days" doesn't mean he isn't one million percent an absolute legend of this club. don't be so daft.

[Thracian]

As much as I like Kingy, you can't compare scoring records between the two players in such simple terms as that. One has played almost his entire career in the Premier League, the other has hasn't.

I bet I wouldn't be far off saying that King has scored as many PL goals as Izzet did in the Championship.

 

It's like saying Lee Trundle was a better striker (scored 215 career goals) than Michael Owen (163).

 

 

You'd have a point except that, if you take the trouble to see King's goals, they were almost all one and two touches and would as likely have been scored in any division.

And when you talk about levels King's played 32 internationals (two goals) compared to Muzzy's 8 (no goals) so you can use some stats exactly how you like and has helped  Wales into the European Championship finals.

The bloke is consistently under-rated and almost entirely because of such an under-stated presence you could lose him in a phone box.

He was even the same in the Academy. There'd be a melee of players, the ball would find the net and it was so often Kingy who'd got the final touch or the nod down header. For a supposedly non-physical player it's strange how often he was there at the death.

And the same to be said about his goals video. Several times I've likened him to the ghosting Martin Peters and that's how he still strikes me when given chance. His achievements actually speak for themselves to those who are willing to listen..                

[C-man]

why not?

by the end of this season he will have played more games than all bar walsh and he will have scored more goals than all bar walsh and lineker. he has played for us at our lowest ever point and is still here 9 seasons later whilst we top the premier league. he's scored in nearly every big game we've played for 8 years, has captained us a number of times, came through our academy and has never played for another club. in a few months he will represent us and his country in a major competition and may well be playing for us in europe too.

just because he wasn't part of "the good old days" doesn't mean he isn't one million percent an absolute legend of this club. don't be so daft.

Don't you know though mate we're only allowed 11 legends in our history. People like Graham Cross and Sep Smith don't make the grade either according to Hackney Fox and they played probably double the number of Kingy's games. Chandler, Rowley too.

[AndWhat?]

why not?

by the end of this season he will have played more games than all bar walsh and he will have scored more goals than all bar walsh and lineker. he has played for us at our lowest ever point and is still here 9 seasons later whilst we top the premier league. he's scored in nearly every big game we've played for 8 years, has captained us a number of times, came through our academy and has never played for another club. in a few months he will represent us and his country in a major competition and may well be playing for us in europe too.

just because he wasn't part of "the good old days" doesn't mean he isn't one million percent an absolute legend of this club. don't be so daft.

 

Nailed it.

[Len Finsbury]

You'd have a point except that, if you take the trouble to see King's goals, they were almost all one and two touches and would as likely have been scored in any division.

And when you talk about levels King's played 32 internationals (two goals) compared to Muzzy's 8 (no goals) so you can use some stats exactly how you like and has helped  Wales into the European Championship finals.

The bloke is consistently under-rated and almost entirely because of such an under-stated presence you could lose him in a phone box.

He was even the same in the Academy. There'd be a melee of players, the ball would find the net and it was so often Kingy who'd got the final touch or the nod down header. For a supposedly non-physical player it's strange how often he was there at the death.

And the same to be said about his goals video. Several times I've likened him to the ghosting Martin Peters and that's how he still strikes me when given chance. His achievements actually speak for themselves to those who are willing to listen..                

 

You're preaching to the converted here, Thracian. I think he could quite well become a club legend, this is a title given to those that end their careers, not those still currently playing.

All I was saying that counting goals scored isn't an accurate way of comparing between those two players. I do question your comment "would as likely have been scored in any division" there's a big difference between 'would' and 'could'. 

 

And for the record, I've seen every one of Kingy's and Izzet's goals.

[BoyJones]

Muzzy was a decent player and did a good job for us, no argument.

 

Its not Kings fault that he came along when we were in the lower divisions. He has always given his all for the club and after 10 years it is a shame that some fans dont give him the credit he deserves. Having supported the city for over 52 years, he is one of my favourite players. You know that he will never give up, he has got real skill and can score goals.

 

If you can only be a club legend if you have played in the top league (as inplied / inferred by previous posters) I do feel sorry for the likes of Rochdale, Bury etc who can never have a club legend.

 

Finally, David Gibson had a slightly better but similar record to Muzzy and we had higher league finishes and better FA Cup runs in his time, plus Davie scored two goals in the League Cup final. Gibson was a better player for me.

[davieG]

Davie Gibson, Muzzy Izzet, Garry Parker and Andy King are all amongst a group of players that make me smile and feel good about football, they are my football heroes and make me feel like I haven't totally wasted a fortune in money and time watching the game.

 

I don't care really if other people don't see them as legends which is so subjective anyway and has been watered down in the modern game by both fans and more so the media.

[Voll Blau]

Some people will grasp at anything they can to do him down, usually so they can cling on to misguidedly justifying something negative they said about him six years ago or summat daft.

[Captain...]

The difference between Izzett and King, is that Izzett was a more important player for us, if he was fit he played, I don't think he was ever dropped. I don't want to say he was our best midfielder of  the time, because we had some awesome midfielders.

 

King will never been seen in the same light as he has often been on the fringes of the team and not first choice. It is every credit to him that he has always fought back to regain his spot in the first 11, but he was behind James and Cambiasso last season until James got injured, he was third choice behind James and Drinkwater in our Championship winning season, he is currently behind Drinkwater and Kante and he may be fourth choice if James returns the same player he was last season.

 

Don't get me wrong, I love Andy King, I will love it if he fights his way back into the starting line up hopefully because he is too good to leave out and not because we suffer injuries and loss of form.

 

He is a club legend, just not in the same way as Izzett and Walsh and some of the others are.

[AKCJ]

king king annie annie king gets the ball an scores a goal annie annie king

[MC Prussian]

You'd have a point except that, if you take the trouble to see King's goals, they were almost all one and two touches and would as likely have been scored in any division.

And when you talk about levels King's played 32 internationals (two goals) compared to Muzzy's 8 (no goals) so you can use some stats exactly how you like and has helped  Wales into the European Championship finals.

The bloke is consistently under-rated and almost entirely because of such an under-stated presence you could lose him in a phone box.

He was even the same in the Academy. There'd be a melee of players, the ball would find the net and it was so often Kingy who'd got the final touch or the nod down header. For a supposedly non-physical player it's strange how often he was there at the death.

And the same to be said about his goals video. Several times I've likened him to the ghosting Martin Peters and that's how he still strikes me when given chance. His achievements actually speak for themselves to those who are willing to listen..                

I'm glad you don't work in statistics, because that's one hell of a way to abuse numbers in your favour by simply scratching the surface.

 

Where to start?

I think Andy King still is an exceptional footballer... exceptionally loyal, solid, reliable and professional, with a particularly decent sense of positioning.

As far as his talent beyond that is concerned, well, in terms of skill or trickery, he'll most likely never stand out or be remembered as a genius (unlike Izzet who had his special moments on the pitch).

 

Great to hear you still can't praise King's teammates that managed to set him up for many of his "one-touch, two-touch" goals. Listening to you could people lead to the conclusion that King's as active in going forward as Messi!

 

The international comparison is an unfair one, because King has been playing with Wales since the age of 19, be it with the Under-19s, the Under-21s and the senior squad. He's grown into a particular role within the national team and has plied his trade alongside fellow Welshmen who came through the ranks just like him, such as Ledley, Bale or Ramsey. So he's had the chance to evolve in tandem with a good number of highly talented or touted midfield partners. I think that's helped him, as well.

 

You can rave about Andy King all you want and push it to ridiculous extremes as always - but where would Wales be without Gareth Bale and his seven goals in qualifiying?

The main contributors to Wales' success were him and Ramsey, although I do agree with the notion that Wales with Andy King in the middle are a somewhat better Wales. He adds stability and reassurance - apart from that red card against Cyprus maybe.

 

Izzet, on the other hand, came in late to a Turkey side in which he stuck out like an elephant in a trash can. Plus, as a proper London East End boy, he didn't even speak their lingo!

[hackneyfox]

Don't you know though mate we're only allowed 11 legends in our history. People like Graham Cross and Sep Smith don't make the grade either according to Hackney Fox and they played probably double the number of Kingy's games. Chandler, Rowley too.

I'm not old enough to have seen Cross, Smith, Chandler or Rowley so I'm not mentioning them.

As for only allowing 11, well that was just a concidence that I named 11, did you notice that 2 of them were goalies?

[Stevosevic]

Since when was ability the only factor in determining if someone is a club legend or not?

[Wymsey]

Gerrard was a legend at Liverpool.

 

Yes, he was a servant on the pitch and up there with Liverpool's 'folklore' - but he's also (and still is presumably) been doing charity work for both his hometown and nationally and has done for years. Set up his own charity as well.

 

Don't know as to whether King has done something like this before?

[Captain...]

Since when was ability the only factor in determining if someone is a club legend or not?

 

It's not, look at Steve Walsh, clubs biggest legend (arguably) one of the worst players of that era in terms of ability, but gave so much more than just ability, and like Izzett was hardly ever dropped because he was just too important to the team.

 

King as important as he has been for this club will never be seen in the same way as Walsh and Izzett because he has often been dropped.

 

Like I said, still a legend, just not in the same way.

[Thracian]

Weller, Worthington, Glover, Banks, Shilton, Lineker, Lennon, Muzzy, Heskey, Walsh, Elliot .....

 

Sorry but he doesn't belong on that list.

 

 

That's a worthy list and represents some outstanding talent. But first of all Davie Gibson was the most skillful and hero-worshipped attacking midfield player whose ever wore a City shirt in the last 60 years.

 

Walsh was a legend because of our achievements at the time, because he was as good a striker for a time as he was a centre-back and was also the sort of character who had in-your-face battles with a series of top grade attackers and flew the flag for the club like a warrior.

 

That said he wasn't the best centre-half to ever wear the shirt in my time. Ian King and John Stoberg were better.  

 

Heskey probably qualifies as a legend but not ahead Graham Cross who played so many games for the club and literally covered himself in mud and glory in doing so.

 

Cross would emerge with the ball from a ploughed field full of opponents and then do the same time and again. It's strange to compare Gibbo and Cross. I never saw Cross as anything but caked in wet, clinging dirt while Gibson could play in a mudbath and still come out clean! 

 

Weller was never quite a legend by the standards mentioned. Glover maybe but it wasn't just about ability. Glover took on anyone and everyone for Leicester - at top speed and without any apparent doubt that he'd come out on top. The bloke was an inspiration.  

 

Chandler, Rowley and Sepp Smith should doubtless be on the list and, if you're going to mention Worthington why not Derek Dougan? Okay the latter was only here a short while but he was still as entertaining as anyone who ever graced the Filbert Street mud-patch.

 

I suppose its hard to define what makes a legend and I'm not going to try.

 

But Lennon, Izzet and Kingy wouldn't be far apart in their different ways.

 

Whether that would qualify any of them is subjective but I do know that Davie Gibson would be in there without question and if he's the definitive yardstick, the others would fall a little way short for all that they might still be in the list if it was long enough!  .

 

 

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

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