Hull Pre Match Thread

[SecretPro]

Whilst I'm annoyed with certain decisions that have been made this season like everyone else. I don't think any of us are any wiser than Pearson himself as to what our best team is, nothing has clicked this season. We were all raving about 4-5-1 after the Arsenal game, now calling for his head because he might keep it.

 

Personally I'd go for a 4-2-3-1 going to a 4-5-1 when defending, even though I know which players should go in each position, I haven't seen them in training all week so i'm only going on the last time I saw them in a match. 

 

I'm just trying to convince myself that Pearson chooses the best team each week. Which I'm struggling too.

 

I can't remember us playing any recent 4-5-1's? 4-5-1 would be an improvement on 5-4-1 with the right players in there.

 

We might not know much better than Pearson. However I think every City fan in the land could at least drop certain players.

[cc_star]

If we do go with 5-4-1 I'll be fuming, but despite the Mercury suggesting he'll stick with it, no one really knows so I'll save that potential anger until 2pm on Saturday.

 

That's everything wrong with us

 

Barely any of us willing to wait until 5pm on saturday

 

Sure, there's no patience left after the season we're having, but what help is that to the players with 90 do or die minutes ahead of them

[les-tah]

it would be a joke if we played 3 centre backs v hull at home.

 

and it is basically all compensating for wes morgan.

[Donut]

That's everything wrong with us

 

Barely any of us willing to wait until 5pm on saturday

 

Sure, there's no patience left after the season we're having, but what help is that to the players with 90 do or die minutes ahead of them

 

People arent willing to wait and with good reason. Theyve watched almost the whole season being spunked away with terrible team selections and tactics that dont fit the occasion.

 

There is no possible justification for trying to soak up Hull at home when youre desperate for a win, why dont the management team help the players first? what are we supposed to do, suck the ball into the net? run onto the pitch and help Kramaric ourselves?

[cc_star]

it would be a joke if we played 3 centre backs v hull at home.

 

and it is basically all compensating for wes morgan.

 

For me the joke would be playing a flat back 5 like we have in the difficult 3 games, not a back 5 but with attack minded fullbacks in RDL & potentially Schlupp

[SecretPro]

People arent willing to wait and with good reason. Theyve watched almost the whole season being spunked away with terrible team selections and tactics that dont fit the occasion.

 

There is no possible justification for trying to soak up Hull at home when youre desperate for a win, why dont the management team help the players first? what are we supposed to do, suck the ball into the net? run onto the pitch and help Kramaric ourselves?

 

Hard to disagree with this sentiment.

[cc_star]

People arent willing to wait and with good reason. Theyve watched almost the whole season being spunked away with terrible team selections and tactics that dont fit the occasion.

 

There is no possible justification for trying to soak up Hull at home when youre desperate for a win, why dont the management team help the players first? what are we supposed to do, suck the ball into the net? run onto the pitch and help Kramaric ourselves?

 

The idea of greater numbers at the back, is so the attacking players are free to attack more, not less

 

And then when you've got Kram dropping deep or pulling wide, it creates so much space for Schlupp/Mahrez to run into & attack.

 

Sound tactics imo.

 

But since then Schlupp & Mahrez have been woeful & of no use whatsoever... and it's that that has lead us to be more toothless than we otherwise might have been, not the tactics themselves... There's certainly no sitting back involved, we create as many opportunities as we need to to win the game

[Dan]

Whilst I'm annoyed with certain decisions that have been made this season like everyone else. I don't think any of us are any wiser than Pearson himself as to what our best team is, nothing has clicked this season. We were all raving about 4-5-1 after the Arsenal game, now calling for his head because he might keep it.

 

Personally I'd go for a 4-2-3-1 going to a 4-5-1 when defending, even though I know which players should go in each position, I haven't seen them in training all week so i'm only going on the last time I saw them in a match. 

 

I'm just trying to convince myself that Pearson chooses the best team each week. Which I'm struggling too.

 

There's a difference playing it at Arsenal away and playing it at home to Hull.

 

If he lines up with 5-4-1 this weekend with Simpson & Konchesky as full backs and we lose 0-1 my faith in him is gone.

[Ollie93]

That's the problem mate, pearson should have had a game plan/ formation in the summer.

Researched what formation works or does well, in the premier league, and then get his team/ signings, or lack of them, used to the formation, and comfortable in them, and settled, and forming partnerships and understanding, not constant chopping and changing of formations in desperation during a season.

Playing players in the right positions helps, and leaving out players who have looked better than his favourites out, also causes problems.

The bloke hasn't got a clue what to do, or how to save the seasons, in my opinion.

And a bloke that doesn't remove players after costly mistakes, after costly mistake, deserves everything he gets.

 

Some good points, I agree with playing players in their correct positions does help. I think we have all seen inconsistency in each player at some point, some more than others.

 

In my opinion I don't think there is a magic formula that will take us out of the position we are in, the players just have to give 110% in every game and we have to get behind them! 

[Ollie93]

There's a difference playing it at Arsenal away and playing it at home to Hull.

 

If he lines up with 5-4-1 this weekend with Simpson & Konchesky as full backs and we lose 0-1 my faith in him is gone.

 

I agree, the problem is he's not playing them as full backs, more of a flat back 5, because we have no players who are out and out wing backs. That's why I would like to see a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-5-1

[fox_favourite]

Whilst I'm annoyed with certain decisions that have been made this season like everyone else. I don't think any of us are any wiser than Pearson himself as to what our best team is, nothing has clicked this season. We were all raving about 4-5-1 after the Arsenal game, now calling for his head because he might keep it.

 

Personally I'd go for a 4-2-3-1 going to a 4-5-1 when defending, even though I know which players should go in each position, I haven't seen them in training all week so i'm only going on the last time I saw them in a match. 

 

I'm just trying to convince myself that Pearson chooses the best team each week. Which I'm struggling too.

It's good thinking, but for 4-5-1 to work you need an attacking minded Midfielder who can bang the goals in. King a few seasons ago did this and broke from midfield and could score a few. But his role has changed in recent seasons and he doesn't break forward enough (when playing of course). Our central midfielders are all the same, and I thinks that's some of the problem. There's no one from the middle who wants to join the attack and has a bit of flair about them. James has tried but can't score, again, I would class him as a ball winner rather than a attacking centre mid. As a  defender, it's hard to pick up a midfielder like this as you'll be concentrating on the strikers and wingers. As much as I hate the guy Lampard is the best in this role.

 

If we found a midfielder like this, I think we would be better. Maybe because we have so many similar centre midfielders, Pearson doesn't really know how to play.  

[Sol thewall Bamba]

*Gunna take the plunge into some tactical analysis which I haven't done in a while   

If Hull Play 5-3-2 like they have been, it's going to be really awkward for us to line up against them. If we go 5-4-1, we'll having the beating of them out wide, but It'l mean Krammy or whoever up top against 5, and our middle pair, especially if Esteban starts, will be out outmaneuvered by their 3. Could go 4-4-2, but that leaves you with the same problem with 2 against 3 in the middle. 4-5-1 with a middle three would leave Krammy up top again on his own arguably with less support than a 4-4-2. 

 

The only way Nige could easily set up against them would be to match them man for man, 5-3-2, something like:

 

------------ Someone -------------

 

------ Was -- Huth -- Upson-----
RDL -------------------------Konch

------ James -- EC -- Drinky ----

-------- Ulloa ---- Krammy --------

Not ideal but would mean we wouldn't be overrun in the middle and we wouldn't be mugging Kramaric off playing him up top on his larry. Goes to show how hard it is to set up effectively in this league where different teams play in different styles and have threats in multiple places. It's much, much harder than a lot of people seem to think it is. 

[Dan]

The only reason we’ve looked better defensively with a 541 is because it’s co-incided with Huth’s inclusion in the team.

 

[Ollie93]

It's good thinking, but for 4-5-1 to work you need an attacking minded Midfielder who can bang the goals in. King a few seasons ago did this and broke from midfield and could score a few. But his role has changed in recent seasons and he doesn't break forward enough (when playing of course). Our central midfielders are all the same, and I thinks that's some of the problem. There's no one from the middle who wants to join the attack and has a bit of flair about them. James has tried but can't score, again, I would class him as a ball winner rather than a attacking centre mid. As a  defender, it's hard to pick up a midfielder like this as you'll be concentrating on the strikers and wingers. As much as I hate the guy Lampard is the best in this role.

 

If we found a midfielder like this, I think we would be better. Maybe because we have so many similar centre midfielders, Pearson doesn't really know how to play.  

 

Completely agree, do you not think Kramaric could play that role? Or even Nugent? Granted nugent isn't our most technically gifted player but he always puts a shift in?

[benpicko]

Strangest thing about the 5 at the back is that we've dropped our best defender in the process too for some reason

[Fox Ulike]

That's everything wrong with us

 

Barely any of us willing to wait until 5pm on saturday

 

Sure, there's no patience left after the season we're having, but what help is that to the players with 90 do or die minutes ahead of them

 

What about the 2,430 minutes we've already played this season?

 

I think that the fans generally have been very patient, and continue to be so.

 

As I've said soooo many times this season, pretty much every other team plays a formation that includes THREE players in centre midfield. Not central defence.

 

If we've got a manager who thinks he knows better than established Premiership Managers, then he really does need to prove this with his results. This hasn't happened.

[Monk]

I'm coming down from Scotland this weekend for the game, it's going to be a nail biter. I just hope that we can come away with 3 points and the potential slither of a chance of staying up... 

[MHC]

I can see one of two outcomes occurring, both of which are boring and predictable.

1. We dominate Hull from start to finish, miss an open goal or two and squander all of our chances only to go down to a late Hull goal to lose 1-0.

2. We dominate Hull in the first half and go into the dressing room 1-0 up. The second half will be an equal affair where Hull capitalise on a defensive error to equalise. We will make a late surge to get three points after Pearson realises his tactics are dog turd, and we will fail because we changed things too late. 1-1 final score.

BORING.

[Fox Ulike]

I can see one of two outcomes occurring, both of which are boring and predictable.

1. We dominate Hull from start to finish, miss an open goal or two and squander all of our chances only to go down to a late Hull goal to lose 1-0.

2. We dominate Hull in the first half and go into the dressing room 1-0 up. The second half will be an equal affair where Hull capitalise on a defensive error to equalise. We will make a late surge to get three points after Pearson realises his tactics are dog turd, and we will fail because we changed things too late. 1-1 final score.

BORING.

 

Slim margins.  We didn’t. Do enough. When. We had the ball. We. Couldn’t. KEEP. Possession. And ultimately that’s what’s cost us.

[Guest]

Slim margins.  We didn’t. Do enough. When. We had the ball. We. Couldn’t. KEEP. Possession. And ultimately that’s what’s cost us.

 

Excellent sentence structure

[Fox92]

Imagine if we played 541 at home against Hull City, fvck me.

[Corky]

Imagine if that formation helped us win.

 

Just imagine. It is hard, but imagine.

[Fox92]

Slim chance.

[Corky]

Anyone else long for the days when Pearson was predictable and stuck to his beloved 4-4-2?

[Fox92]

At least we had two up front.