Wilson_6 Posted 16 March 2015 Posted 16 March 2015 I think being one of the worst teams in Premiership history is pretty humiliating myself. Don't think were anywhere near being put in that bracket.. Teams get relegated calm down.
Leicesterpool Posted 16 March 2015 Posted 16 March 2015 Gus Poyet??? hes out of work, and has shown he can go in and have huge short term impact with what hes got to work with. What is to lose? Nah, considering the squad they have they shouldn't be in a relegation battle, he's probably better off in the championship.
red5 Posted 16 March 2015 Author Posted 16 March 2015 What about Harry on a short term deal? I'd take Bernie if it got rid of NFP
Deucalion Posted 16 March 2015 Posted 16 March 2015 What if... Pearson is actually a pretty talented manager, the owners know this, and by sticking with him we give ourselves a excellent chance of being promoted next season and doing better next time we are promoted? The assumption seems to be that Pearson is proven to be not good enough at this level, and to be fair, there is some pretty compelling evidence to this effect. We don't know all the goings on behind the scenes however, and perhaps due to circumstances we are not aware of, being nearly competitive every game this season is seen as enough proof to the owners that Pearson is steering the club in the right direction? This is, of course, all guesswork. But so is the assumption that good things can only happen if we get rid of Pearson. It is a judgement call, and furthermore, regardless of anything said on here... It is not our call.
Jaspa Posted 16 March 2015 Posted 16 March 2015 I love this word that is trotted out to defend Pearson. Have a look at the league table.... have a look at it for the last 3 months. Then check our results for the entire season ..... then have a think about how "reactionary" wanting the pr1ck out of our club really is. How is it defending Pearson? I was talking about fans reacting to performance, losses and all the circus that has gone along with it throughout the season. This isnt what I wanted at the start of the season and am just trying to think with my own reason, I can use whatever expression I want to put that across and you can still take it any way you still please. Im not into having a split fanbase either, we all apparently support the same club. We'll all still be here after this
LcFc_Smiv Posted 16 March 2015 Posted 16 March 2015 Don't think were anywhere near being put in that bracket.. Teams get relegated calm down. Be ready to be accused of having a lack of ambition, pearsonite, not a real city fan and other comments that usually follow. I do agree though, while our points leave a lot to be desired our general play has seen some great performances and we haven't rolled over as such for anyone. Unfortunately lack of clinical finishing, defensive mistakes, and questionable tactics/ substitutions have limited our chances of establishing ourselves as a premier league club.
red5 Posted 16 March 2015 Author Posted 16 March 2015 What if... Pearson is actually a pretty talented manager, the owners know this, and by sticking with him we give ourselves a excellent chance of being promoted next season and doing better next time we are promoted? The assumption seems to be that Pearson is proven to be not good enough at this level, and to be fair, there is some pretty compelling evidence to this effect. We don't know all the goings on behind the scenes however, and perhaps due to circumstances we are not aware of, being nearly competitive every game this season is seen as enough proof to the owners that Pearson is steering the club in the right direction? This is, of course, all guesswork. But so is the assumption that good things can only happen if we get rid of Pearson. It is a judgement call, and furthermore, regardless of anything said on here... It is not our call. Did you see his post Hull talk, he said we couldn't have been more attacking, the guys a turd
Callabinho Posted 16 March 2015 Posted 16 March 2015 I'm 100% sure it's becasue they want O'Neill, they won't sack him until he says yes.
queensguardfox Posted 16 March 2015 Posted 16 March 2015 Did you see his post Hull talk, he said we couldn't have been more attacking, the guys a turd Yes but he also Said a change of personnel may be needed if they are not rising to the occasion. Basically played 3-4-3 but let the moment get to them...
Donut Posted 16 March 2015 Posted 16 March 2015 Yes but he also Said a change of personnel may be needed if they are not rising to the occasion. Basically played 3-4-3 but let the moment get to them... Change of personnel to what? The lads he hasnt given a game to all season? players we universally agree arent much good? kids?
5waller5 Posted 16 March 2015 Posted 16 March 2015 How is it defending Pearson? I was talking about fans reacting to performance, losses and all the circus that has gone along with it throughout the season. This isnt what I wanted at the start of the season and am just trying to think with my own reason, I can use whatever expression I want to put that across and you can still take it any way you still please. Im not into having a split fanbase either, we all apparently support the same club. We'll all still be here after this I any group of people you're going to get people that think differently ... it would just be weird if they didn't. That's not a split it's being an individual and is why a forum exists - to share those views.
red5 Posted 16 March 2015 Author Posted 16 March 2015 I'm 100% sure it's becasue they want O'Neill, they won't sack him until he says yes. O'Neill turned us down last time Pearson was sacked/reinstated, O'Neill wont say yes if Pearson is still here.
Fox92 Posted 16 March 2015 Posted 16 March 2015 Short Term: Martin O'Neill. Short term contract, would unite absolutely everyone behind him, fans and players, would be a figure that every player looked up to, would get a more ruthless attacking style going that for a short period of time may spark a revival. And if it all went flat, he is free to leave in a couple of months time. The same O'Neill that struggled with Sunderland?
Gary Eatfood Posted 16 March 2015 Posted 16 March 2015 Don't think were anywhere near being put in that bracket.. Teams get relegated calm down. The 5th lowest points total in the Prem is Wolves and QPR's 25. Still a little way to go yet to reach those heady heights.
Robin JD Popley Posted 16 March 2015 Posted 16 March 2015 Great question OP and one I would love to know the answer too...
Gerard Posted 16 March 2015 Posted 16 March 2015 Would a win at Spurs change anything? 4 points from the last 2???? Puts us ahead of schedule What City fan wouldn't have took four points from Hull (H) & Tottenham (A)?
Donut Posted 16 March 2015 Posted 16 March 2015 The same O'Neill that struggled with Sunderland? He didnt struggle in the short term with Sunderland, he came in with a squad not too dissimilar to the one they have now, got them playing, and kept them up easily. In his second season, they struggled. But they were never in the bottom three, and Sunderland fans universally agree that he would not have taken them down. A few made that specific point on 606 on saturday when discussing the managerial merrigoround up there. Im not talking about Martin O'Neill as the man to lead the club forward into a new era and build a team, im talking about someone who can come in and have a big impact for 10 games. And if it doesnt work, both parties shake hands at the end of the season with nothing lost, and then we begin the new era.
Mark 'expert' Lawrenson Posted 16 March 2015 Posted 16 March 2015 Purely financial i guess, along with the fact that if we are eyeing up young highly promising managers like Howe and Warburton, or the vast experience of someone like an Allardyce (and please dont come on here Pearsonites and say my names are rubbish, im using them for illustrative purposes), are in jobs now and wouldnt leave them at the business end of the season when they can still achieve with their clubs How much will relegation cost us financially though? A lot more than a pay out getting rid of a manager costs.
Donut Posted 16 March 2015 Posted 16 March 2015 How much will relegation cost us financially though? A lot more than a pay out getting rid of a manager costs. I agree with you, it just seems like relegation is as good as nailed on now, and perhaps its a taking people from jobs issue as well, Warburton and Howe for example have genuine chances of promotion. Warburton will be leaving anyway, but im sure he would be finishing the Brentford project regardless and a promotion would do his prospects no harm.
Gerard Posted 16 March 2015 Posted 16 March 2015 Short Term: Martin O'Neill. Short term contract, would unite absolutely everyone behind him, fans and players, would be a figure that every player looked up to, would get a more ruthless attacking style going that for a short period of time may spark a revival. And if it all went flat, he is free to leave in a couple of months time. I couldn't agree more. O'Neill is a bit of a dinosaur in today's game but if we got him in for the rest of the season the whole club would be revitalised. He could certainly do a short term job and the players could feed off the fans enthusiasm. I fear with Pearson the club has almost accepted it's fate rather than having one more throw of the dice. We could reevaluate our managers position in the summer.
Finn Claw II Posted 16 March 2015 Posted 16 March 2015 I hope Nigel has a relegation release clause in his contract. That and his salary drops along with all the players. I can see him going once the inevitable is confirmed.
Gerard Posted 16 March 2015 Posted 16 March 2015 Cause its a different club run by people who are still in a different position. It seems people are smelling blood on this forum. What are we going to gain from a change now? We'd either need someone with unfathomable power to win six or seven games now or someone ideal for building with this squad for the future. I still hold that if the players and the board are still behind the management setup we have in place its worth considering keeping it. There are attractive propositions like Big Sam who knows Nigel well and how he runs the show, he might be able to add something that will click, others will possibly need time to assemble their plan and team and anything else would be a miracle to hit the ground running. Alot of reactionary grumpynes about, still You talk like we're already relegated. We still have a realistic chance and should target Burnley and Sunderland to overhaul as we play them both away. If and it's a huge IF we won away at those two the table would like this: Hull Pld 29 Pts 28 Aston Villa Pld 29 Pts 28 Sunderland Pld 30 Pts 26 ------------------------------------------ Leicester Pld 30 Pts 25 Burnley Pld 30 Pts 25 QPR Pld 29 Pts 22 We would have six home games out of eight and the likes of Hull have an awful run in. I know some of you will say I'm clutching at straws but I don't believe our squad is any worse than the teams around us. Pearson is a spent force at our club but if we could persuade O'Neill and the Irish FA he could possibly revitalise us.With the fixtures we have left it's difficult but still very much in our own hands.
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