VLC86 Posted 15 June 2015 Posted 15 June 2015 £50k doesn't sit well with me, however I look at it. It's not about an overall 'package' for me, it's about a dozen other players suddenly feeling undervalued if he comes in on such a wage. And i'm not sure we can quite stretch to a £6-700k per week wage bill just yet... That's modern day football for you, either spend the money to get success or struggle. Were you happy with our signings last summer?
RizLCFC Posted 15 June 2015 Posted 15 June 2015 The only people who know the wages / overall package (signing on fee, wages, bonuses etc) will be a limited handful of people so you can largely ignore most gossip on the subject. Imagine (as a free transfer) they paid him a £3m signing on fee and 35k per week - over three years that's £8.4m Imagine they paid a £1m signing on fee and £50k per week - over three years that's £8.8m Only 400 grand difference over the space of three years, in football terms at our level that's bugger all. No doubt there'd also be something written into the contracts that if they're relegated they'd have to to take a cut and a sale fee would probably be included. I've said it before, forget all the bolllocks about a weekly wage and concentrate on the overall package. So he's signing then?
sdb Posted 15 June 2015 Posted 15 June 2015 That's modern day football for you, either spend the money to get success or struggle. Were you happy with our signings last summer? Well I was happy with Cambiasso and Ulloa yeah. Upson and Albrighton less so but the latter came very good. Hamer seemed OK for a free. So a mixed bag basically. I'm not sure that part in bold is the 100% guarantee you seem to suggest!
fleckneymike Posted 15 June 2015 Posted 15 June 2015 Well I was happy with Cambiasso and Ulloa yeah. Upson and Albrighton less so but the latter came very good. Hamer seemed OK for a free. So a mixed bag basically. I'm not sure that part in bold is the 100% guarantee you seem to suggest! Agree. Sako, already on £25k at Wolves has been relegated twice. Value for money is the basis of all our scouting (hence the fixation with contract expiry deals), I don't believe 50k is value for money.
Bluearmyfox28 Posted 15 June 2015 Posted 15 June 2015 The issue I have with £50k is that it seems an excessive amount of money for a winger who has spent the last two seasons in league 1 and the championship. It also represents quite an obstacle to selling him on and also sets a benchmark for the rest of the squad. Pay one player 50k and suddenly everyone re-negotiating wants parity. Ulloa is reported to earn 14k a week. http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/topic/101003-premier-league-strikers-cost-per-goal/Paying Sakho 50k would put him above Enner Valencia, Krikic and Sakho and I don't think he is 'better' than those players. Didn't realise liverpool were selling Sakho to us?! Sorry couldn't contain myself.
Grewks Posted 15 June 2015 Posted 15 June 2015 Our local radio is BBC WM. 95.6FM. Tim Spiers is the new Wolves correspondent for the Express & Star which is the local rag. The club generally don't have anything to do with them because of past undue negative stories. They still get odd snippets of information but most of their sources are Twitter and Forums. Sako doesn't work in anything other than a wide role or a wide forward. Play him centrally and he'll be naff. We've tried it before and it just doesn't suit him, he gets stifled. And yes he is a very genuinely nice guy. You won't have any trouble from him and he'll fit in with the squad straight away. Especially if you have any French speaking players. But you tried it in a side which has, in my opinion, very little quality. The Premier league has been as weak as it ever has, and as a result the championship has become even weaker. Watford got automatic promotion with a side far worse than that which pipped us to the play-off final a few years back. For what it is worth, i would trust Pearson with signings far greater than most managers in this country today. His record for us is quite frankly unmatched by any other side, with the possible exception of the saints. In a wide position he would be behind schlupp, albrighton and Fuchs anyways.....whereas he would also be behind mahrez and nugent for the center forward slot. Sako would have to prove his worth here, he wouldn't get on the bench if we start like we finished last season.
Maybes Posted 15 June 2015 Posted 15 June 2015 Can't see us chucking him £50k a week. Would potentially upset the current squad given that he is unproven at this level. Doesn't strike me as the Pearson way. I watched him in League 1 a couple of times. Very strong, athletic and pacey. Still plenty of areas of his game that need improvement.
Grewks Posted 15 June 2015 Posted 15 June 2015 Can't see us chucking him £50k a week. Would potentially upset the current squad given that he is unproven at this level. Doesn't strike me as the Pearson way. I watched him in League 1 a couple of times. Very strong, athletic and pacey. Still plenty of areas of his game that need improvement. We all know Pearson will not pay that....So why are we still arguing about it? Maybe 30k with bonuses based on survival/games/goals/assists etc.....Which is fair enough.
Maybes Posted 15 June 2015 Posted 15 June 2015 We all know Pearson will not pay that....So why are we still arguing about it? Maybe 30k with bonuses based on survival/games/goals/assists etc.....Which is fair enough. Dunno. My only post in this thread.
kingfox Posted 15 June 2015 Posted 15 June 2015 Sako will be played in a 3-4-3 alongside Vardy & Ulloa/Kramaric, but I think he will be on the bench most of the time, and we go with Mahrez behind Ulloa & Vardy instead.
Swiper Posted 15 June 2015 Posted 15 June 2015 Sako will be played in a 3-4-3 alongside Vardy & Ulloa/Kramaric, but I think he will be on the bench most of the time, and we go with Mahrez behind Ulloa & Vardy instead. If he costs anywhere even remotely close to 50k, he ain't gonna be sitting on the bench much.
Scotch Posted 16 June 2015 Posted 16 June 2015 Ok, so I doubt that we will pay him £50k P/W (If we do actually sign him,let's not get carried away) but if we do,what's the issue?! If we continue to pay people the same money we always have (many think that,that around the £30k a week) then we will always attract the same level of player,meaning we will not grow as a club and be stuck as a bottom of the prem/top of the Champ for all time. We need to to up the wages,which ups the quality,which ups the chances of is pushing into the mid table territory,we should be aiming for. Ok,Sako may not be our first choice to do that with but if we want to progress then its going to happen sonner ot later!
sylofox Posted 16 June 2015 Posted 16 June 2015 The only people who know the wages / overall package (signing on fee, wages, bonuses etc) will be a limited handful of people so you can largely ignore most gossip on the subject. Imagine (as a free transfer) they paid him a £3m signing on fee and 35k per week - over three years that's £8.4m Imagine they paid a £1m signing on fee and £50k per week - over three years that's £8.8m Only 400 grand difference over the space of three years, in football terms at our level that's bugger all. No doubt there'd also be something written into the contracts that if they're relegated they'd have to to take a cut and a sale fee would probably be included. I've said it before, forget all the bolllocks about a weekly wage and concentrate on the overall package. But the weekly wage is a problem for any potential suitor. If we want to offload a player then wages are often the biggest hurdle. Why do people take as gospel the word of some random jurno when it comes to wages. As Mr RS says only a few will really know and they are not people that would spill the beanz on this.
MIAMI_FOX Posted 16 June 2015 Posted 16 June 2015 I agree. A trash tabloid throws a figure out there randomly and everyone's sucks it up like a sponge and thinks that it is set in stone. When will people finally have some faith in our management. No way Nige is going to rock the boat. Chill out
Bluearmyfox28 Posted 16 June 2015 Posted 16 June 2015 I agree. A trash tabloid throws a figure out there randomly and everyone's sucks it up like a sponge and thinks that it is set in stone. When will people finally have some faith in our management. No way Nige is going to rock the boat. Chill out Couldn't agree more, im suprised people still judge the management teams transfers. They have a very good track record with the majority of their deals. Also we all know how much squad harmony means to Nige & he would know that if someone is on 20k more than any other player then it could cause unrest within the camp. He isn't stupid people! Just sit back & enjoy the news that we might be recruiting our second addition of the summer soon.
The Bear Posted 16 June 2015 Posted 16 June 2015 But you tried it in a side which has, in my opinion, very little quality.He has been played I'm the middle against players who aren't as good as in the PL. Trust me when I say a central role is not his game. His game is based around pace and power with a bit of skill and plenty of stepovers thrown in. Along with drifting into the middle and lamping it hard at the goal to score. Sako, already on £25k at Wolves has been relegated twice. He's been relegated once, not twice. We bought him in the Championship, not the Prem - he's never played there yet.
Babylon Posted 16 June 2015 Posted 16 June 2015 Yes. Because if he gets 50k Then vardy, kasper, huth, James, king etc all deserve the same if not more. Tater peeler ring a bell? What has Peter Taylor got to do with anything?
Babylon Posted 16 June 2015 Posted 16 June 2015 But the weekly wage is a problem for any potential suitor. If we want to offload a player then wages are often the biggest hurdle. I'm not sure you scout someone heavily, think he's good enough to sign and then worry about shifting him on. Even if you did, the fact is he's an asset and we can now claim a fee for him should we wish to sell him on. You might take a hit in terms of wages, but even if you got a £3m fee for him that's £29,000 a week over two years you could sub his wages and not lose out. He's worth £3m easily of anyone's money on what he has done in the championship alone.
Xen Posted 16 June 2015 Posted 16 June 2015 I'm not sure you scout someone heavily, think he's good enough to sign and then worry about shifting him on. Even if you did, the fact is he's an asset and we can now claim a fee for him should we wish to sell him on. You might take a hit in terms of wages, but even if you got a £3m fee for him that's £29,000 a week over two years you could sub his wages and not lose out. He's worth £3m easily of anyone's money on what he has done in the championship alone. Think the wage problem he was referring to was for when the player and buying club are agreeing terms. If they don't want to match what we offer and he isn't happy to take a wage cut, we end up with Gallagher mark 2.
Rhysm Posted 16 June 2015 Posted 16 June 2015 But the weekly wage is a problem for any potential suitor. If we want to offload a player then wages are often the biggest hurdle. And all the other players who become unsettled as they want similar terms.
hackneyfox Posted 16 June 2015 Posted 16 June 2015 As has been said time and time again, it's no different to paying £5m for the bloke and 30k a week. That's if, and it's a very big IF... we're actually offering him anything close to that. The reality is, nobody probably knows what he wants or what we're offering. There will be a few on this board claiming they know how much he is on and which side he dresses on.
Babylon Posted 16 June 2015 Posted 16 June 2015 Think the wage problem he was referring to was for when the player and buying club are agreeing terms. If they don't want to match what we offer and he isn't happy to take a wage cut, we end up with Gallagher mark 2. I know what he's saying, and as I said... there is a good chance he's still going to be worth decent money if we wanted to move him on. If he doesn't cut the mustard in the premier league then top end Championship teams will still want him. He'd still be worth a good fee on what he's done in the championship alone. Even if we had to sub him £25k - £30k a week (ie. we pay 30k they pay 20k) getting a fee would cover those wages anyway. That's not unfeasible.
Domsdad Posted 16 June 2015 Posted 16 June 2015 Don't really subscribe to this " yeah but we haven't paid a fee so £50k a week is ok malarkey " what about our other players who we haven't paid a fee for Albrighton, Cambo, Schlupp, King, etc and then there's the players who only cost nominal fees such as Mahrez, Kasper both full internationals surely they have a case for an increase too?
Babylon Posted 16 June 2015 Posted 16 June 2015 Don't really subscribe to this " yeah but we haven't paid a fee so £50k a week is ok malarkey " what about our other players who we haven't paid a fee for Albrighton, Cambo, Schlupp, King, etc and then there's the players who only cost nominal fees such as Mahrez, Kasper both full internationals surely they have a case for an increase too? Look, you don't know what any of them are earning and you don't know what Sako is being offered. Cambiasso could already be on 60k for all we know.
ozleicester Posted 16 June 2015 Posted 16 June 2015 Why does any of us (who really know nothing about wages/fees) care how much the club is offering to a player. Of course we expect them to have a plan for relegation should that happen, but if the DOF and manager feel the player is required and its takes 50k a week to get him, so be it. Would ANYONE complain if Cambiasso is gettting 50?... what about 60?... how much is fair? I dont care! As long as the people in the know deem them value, go for it!
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