The Doctor Posted 7 July 2015 Posted 7 July 2015 Not entirely true. In 2011-12 he won the league with Rangers in it. In 2010-11 in the one season he didn't win the league, they won the cup and only lost by 1 point. Anyway, you can only beat the teams put in front of you. He did a decent job in the little amount of time he had at Bolton too. A rangers side on the cusp of financial oblivion, in no position to challenge. Lennon had a massively easy ride in Scotland and has been poor at Bolton. Anyone who wants him is absolutely barking and letting nostalgia for him as a player cloud their judgement completely.
Rhysm Posted 7 July 2015 Posted 7 July 2015 Ranieri has won next to nothing with all of those top clubs! At least Lennon is young, hungry, would have some loyalty to Leicester. I'd take him any day of the week over Ranieri. Sadly I think this is a bit naive to assume. He played for us and soon scarpered as soon as O'Neill left.
inckley fox Posted 7 July 2015 Posted 7 July 2015 A rangers side on the cusp of financial oblivion, in no position to challenge. Lennon had a massively easy ride in Scotland and has been poor at Bolton. Anyone who wants him is absolutely barking and letting nostalgia for him as a player cloud their judgement completely. I see what you're saying and broadly agree, but think it's very harsh to say he's been poor at Bolton. What's worrying is that, after an initial and exceptional impact, they reverted to the sort of form they'd been suffering from before Lennon arrived. It suggests he'd papered over cracks in order to achieve his objectives, but it'd still be unfair not to acknowledge that he did achieve those objectives.
Viva Posted 7 July 2015 Posted 7 July 2015 Sadly I think this is a bit naive to assume. He played for us and soon scarpered as soon as O'Neill left. Not too naive really. It's likely he has a closer affection to Leicester than Ranieri. I've seen him sat with the Leicester fans in an away end before well after he left us, so he obviously likes us as a club.
Viva Posted 7 July 2015 Posted 7 July 2015 A rangers side on the cusp of financial oblivion, in no position to challenge. Lennon had a massively easy ride in Scotland and has been poor at Bolton. Anyone who wants him is absolutely barking and letting nostalgia for him as a player cloud their judgement completely. I repeat what I said earlier. You can only beat the teams that are put up against you. You can't turn down the Celtic job as your first job in management and he at least did as expected from him, if not better when you consider they had a good run in the Champions League one year including beating Barcelona. Finally he also did what was required of him at Bolton and comfortably cleared them of relegation. So he has not failed in either of his jobs to date. Ranieri however...
The Doctor Posted 7 July 2015 Posted 7 July 2015 I repeat what I said earlier. You can only beat the teams that are put up against you. You can't turn down the Celtic job as your first job in management and he at least did as expected from him, if not better when you consider they had a good run in the Champions League one year including beating Barcelona. Finally he also did what was required of him at Bolton and comfortably cleared them of relegation. So he has not failed in either of his jobs to date. Ranieri however... Beating barcelona was a fluke, and he relied on incredibly dodgy referring to beat Spartak Moscow. His reign was average, which is poor considering there was no competition for most of it. He's not done well at Bolton either - 4 wins in half a season? That's Levein/Kelly form, not establishing in premiership form. He's not a good manager, he's certainly not as good as Ranieri. To make a point, are we seriously considering Chris Powell or Dougie Freedman as potential managers? No. They're on his level at the moment (lower ends of the championship), so why are we considering Neil Lennon? Because he's a former player. That's a disaster of a move waiting to happen - you don't appoint a woefully under qualified candidate as manager just because he was good as a player. Remember when Newcastle did that?
Xen Posted 7 July 2015 Posted 7 July 2015 I repeat what I said earlier. You can only beat the teams that are put up against you. You can't turn down the Celtic job as your first job in management and he at least did as expected from him, if not better when you consider they had a good run in the Champions League one year including beating Barcelona. Finally he also did what was required of him at Bolton and comfortably cleared them of relegation. So he has not failed in either of his jobs to date. Ranieri however... "You can only beat what's in front of you" is a crap, meaningless phrase. It says absolutely nothing of his aptitude for management. You can't take away the victories - but they're worth a lot less when the opposition is as far below Celtic as they are. Its an expectation, but not an achievement. And he even failed that in one year.
Mark_w Posted 7 July 2015 Posted 7 July 2015 I repeat what I said earlier. You can only beat the teams that are put up against you. You can't turn down the Celtic job as your first job in management and he at least did as expected from him, if not better when you consider they had a good run in the Champions League one year including beating Barcelona. Finally he also did what was required of him at Bolton and comfortably cleared them of relegation. So he has not failed in either of his jobs to date. Ranieri however... You can only beat what's put in front of you. But what was put in front of Neil Lennon was absolute shite. Unless they're completely incompetent, any manager's record at Celtic should look like Neil Lennon's. You can't really gauge how good he is from his time at Celtic for that reason. You also can't learn a great deal from his time as Bolton as he's not even had a summer to build the side he wants yet. Basically there's no reason to label him an awful manager, but he hasn't actually achieved very much. If the owners are going to ludicrously sack the best manager the club has had in years, you'd hope they'd appoint someone who has given a real indication that they're a good manager. I don't think we'll attract anyone better than Pearson, but you'd hope we could do better than a complete gamble on Neil Lennon.
Guest MattP Posted 7 July 2015 Posted 7 July 2015 I repeat what I said earlier. You can only beat the teams that are put up against you. You can't turn down the Celtic job as your first job in management and he at least did as expected from him, if not better when you consider they had a good run in the Champions League one year including beating Barcelona. Finally he also did what was required of him at Bolton and comfortably cleared them of relegation. So he has not failed in either of his jobs to date. Ranieri however... Why are people so keen to talk about this cup victory over Barcelona but no one wants to mention the cup defeats against Arbroath and St Mirren?
Viva Posted 7 July 2015 Posted 7 July 2015 Beating barcelona was a fluke, and he relied on incredibly dodgy referring to beat Spartak Moscow. His reign was average, which is poor considering there was no competition for most of it. He's not done well at Bolton either - 4 wins in half a season? That's Levein/Kelly form, not establishing in premiership form. He's not a good manager, he's certainly not as good as Ranieri. To make a point, are we seriously considering Chris Powell or Dougie Freedman as potential managers? No. They're on his level at the moment (lower ends of the championship), so why are we considering Neil Lennon? Because he's a former player. That's a disaster of a move waiting to happen - you don't appoint a woefully under qualified candidate as manager just because he was good as a player. Remember when Newcastle did that? Gary Monk? Also Freedman and Powell got sacked in their last jobs, so not right to compare Lennon to them.
The Doctor Posted 7 July 2015 Posted 7 July 2015 Gary Monk? Also Freedman and Powell got sacked in their last jobs, so not right to compare Lennon to them. An exception, usually appointing someone below where you are because they're a former player falls flat on its arse. They're of Lennons level though. Imagine Lennon never played for us, would you be considering him?
The Horse's Mouth Posted 7 July 2015 Posted 7 July 2015 I'd rather have Chrissy P than Neil Lennon tbqh
Mike Oxlong Posted 7 July 2015 Posted 7 July 2015 Won't be happy if Tom's stinker means we get the Tinker
Wymsey Posted 7 July 2015 Posted 7 July 2015 Won't be happy if Tom's stinker means we get the Tinker Won't be good if he gets sacked...
Viva Posted 7 July 2015 Posted 7 July 2015 Why are people so keen to talk about this cup victory over Barcelona but no one wants to mention the cup defeats against Arbroath and St Mirren? Burton Albion at home? These things can happen.
Dan Posted 7 July 2015 Posted 7 July 2015 Burton Albion at home? These things can happen. Case rested then really.
Viva Posted 7 July 2015 Posted 7 July 2015 An exception, usually appointing someone below where you are because they're a former player falls flat on its arse. They're of Lennons level though. Imagine Lennon never played for us, would you be considering him? Lennon would not be my first choice, but i'd prefer him over quite a few that have been mentioned.
Bettsj2 Posted 7 July 2015 Posted 7 July 2015 I see what you're saying and broadly agree, but think it's very harsh to say he's been poor at Bolton. What's worrying is that, after an initial and exceptional impact, they reverted to the sort of form they'd been suffering from before Lennon arrived. It suggests he'd papered over cracks in order to achieve his objectives, but it'd still be unfair not to acknowledge that he did achieve those objectives. In fairness something like 8 out of their starting 11 were injured post January and there were no finances to strengthen significantly. Bolton were better off league position wise at the end of the season than they were when Lennon took over so he did something right along the way.
Guest MattP Posted 7 July 2015 Posted 7 July 2015 Burton Albion at home? These things can happen.Exactly what I'm saying, anyone who has a long tenure will have some individually brilliant results and some shockers, neither should really be taken into consideration over the job as a whole.Although I could argue Burton wasn't our first team. Barnsley away for me was still NP'S worst result.
Guest MattP Posted 7 July 2015 Posted 7 July 2015 Bolton were better off league position wise at the end of the season than they were when Lennon took over so he did something right along the way. They were also 12th at one point and finished 18th. Clearly a far better squad than he took over, Sven took us up the league, didn't do a good job though.
cc_star Posted 7 July 2015 Posted 7 July 2015 **** me Get on the phone, get grovelling & get Pearson back Klopp is obviously pie in the sky Hiddink wants to retire And nobody else mentioned is fit to wipe Pearson's arse as they're a bunch of has-beens and never-will-be's Cannot believe the owners have ****ed up such a great position that Pearson got us in. 14th, with signings arriving of a standard that could see us establishing ourselves in the top 10 N'Golo Kante looking ever more doubtful, most likely thanks to the sacking a manager without having a realistic target to appoint
ARM1968 Posted 7 July 2015 Posted 7 July 2015 Owners need to step up now and match their words with actual action. You can't have the sort of ambition they claim to have without backing it with the sort of money you'd need for a decent manager. A Pearson downgrade is not an option, surely?
EnglishOxide Posted 7 July 2015 Posted 7 July 2015 I don't want us to sign a washed up has been, lets consign these to history or lets some other mugs pick them up. We should be researching and targeting what we consider to be the best young talented managers in the game and looking at that sort of profile to recruit. The problem with that is that the owners expect instant success now. We had a manager that fits your description in Nigel and it wasn't good enough for them. He would have been in an even better position to take us forward with a seasons experience of managing in the PL under his belt. There is no 'up and coming' manager that has the experience of the PL behind them, and the reputation to instantly get the respect of the players. He would need a couple of years to bed in, and who knows what situation we would find ourselves in after those 2 years.
fuchsntf Posted 7 July 2015 Posted 7 July 2015 Lennon would not be my first choice, but i'd prefer him over quite a few that have been mentioned. After the betting odds thread and managers mentioned, I couldnt agree more. Mcklintock scenario, was another era, another man, in fact another club. Of the managers on the 1st -3 lists.Lennon is the only choice, but lets not forget, this was the media and bookies only bites of any ideas, looking from their pof, who is around, and what links exist. If fans believe, that if they diss people enough, the owners will see it and choose or scrap what they see in this forum. Or feel they can get their 10p worth in from the beginning, so they later can say....'I told you so'.... These threads discussing too heavy on possible candidates, and quite frankly spitefull comments on the individual, is quite pathetic, and proves how bitchy, so called footballing machos can turn out to be. There are obviously the one stating, the choices wouldnt be there, giving what they think are considered arguments. All of us, yes including me are just giving out sill, stupid scenarios, because we dont have any idea, WTF is happening.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 7 July 2015 Posted 7 July 2015 Barnsley away for me was still NP'S worst result. That was a toss result but the 5-1 against Forest in 09/10 was the worst for me. Earnshaw got a ****ing 'trick didn't he? Sickening, loved that team though.
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