Palace fans take Union FS flags

[steveherbe]

A few over reactions in here tbh

My flag was the one in the middle that they robbed and I must admit it made me laugh when I first seen the picture.

I've spoke to the other lad who owned the other two and he found it funny as well.

We aren't expecting to get them back and certainly won't be going to the club, the paper, the police or HF asking for them back.

Ok mate, know what? I'll forget it. Will email CPFC tomorrow, and contact Holmesdale.net and tell them to let it go. End of the day, not my flag, not my fight. Taken enough flak from my family, so stuff it.

[foxychik]

'Ultras my arse'. How do you define an Ultra any way? Is it just a modern day term for hooligan? Someone enlighten me please. Can't believe people have nicked an Italian phrase and suddenly they 'exist' in England.

After watching something about football firms or whatever it was called on bbc2, I think a British "ultra" is a hooligan that doesn't hooligan.

[Larry_LCFC]

Ok mate, know what? I'll forget it. Will email CPFC tomorrow, and contact Holmesdale.net and tell them to let it go. End of the day, not my flag, not my fight. Taken enough flak from my family, so stuff it.

Fvck it mate, if that's their attitude, let them crack on with it. Palace can keep them, atleast you tried.

[steveherbe]

Fvck it mate, if that's their attitude, let them crack on with it. Palace can keep them, atleast you tried.

Cheers buddy, and thanks for your support on this. Future fights, count me out.

[Ross-Kemp]

I'm a big fan of taking their boozer early doors.

Then see if they're bragging all over the internet.

[Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot]

Report it to the police and let them get the flags back or not, we'll go 2 that pub on away day and see what they're all about lol jesus wept kind of hoped people like that had died out.

[Captain...]

Cheers buddy, and thanks for your support on this. Future fights, count me out.

You've done the right thing, up to them now if they want to be decent about it. Your approach has been better than those talking about taking their boozer, and doing them in the return leg.

We don't need that fake hooligan bullshit.

[Dr The Singh]

Haha "fan culture" "ultras" what an absolute farce.

Didnt Ultra used to post on here?????  Well known for his trousers dropping

[Finnegan]

Time to stop crying about it and just make new flags now.

I'd chip in for a mock up of the System Of A Down "steal this album" cover with album replaced with flag.

Then beneath it you have one of Wasyl elbowing some **** in the throat with "this time we're watching" or some menacing crap on it.

Make a joke out of it, move on.

[C-man]

Time to stop crying about it and just make new flags now.

I'd chip in for a mock up of the System Of A Down "steal this album" cover with album replaced with flag.

Then beneath it you have one of Wasyl elbowing some **** in the throat with "this time we're watching" or some menacing crap on it.

Make a joke out of it, move on.

Agree with this. Two lads who owned the flags make the decision whether to go to the police, report to the club etc, not anyone else.

It's quite clear that those lads aren't offended by it (actually seems a backhanded compliment that they recognise UFS as a group worth nicking from) and certainly wouldn't grass up other fans.

Talk of taking boozers is almost as ridiculous as reporting it to the police/club when it's not even your property and makes us look like minty tinmen.

[srbfox]

After ready some of the guys twitters, I actually can't believe some of this.

Stealing flags

Smashing pubs in

Absolutely ridiculous, bloody bunch of teenagers the lot of them.

[C-man]

'Ultras my arse'. How do you define an Ultra any way? Is it just a modern day term for hooligan? Someone enlighten me please. Can't believe people have nicked an Italian phrase and suddenly they 'exist' in England.

Consider yourself enlightened:

While ultras groups can become violent, the majority of matches attended by ultras conclude with no violent incidents.

Unlike hooligan firms, whose main aim is to fight hooligans of other clubs, the main focus of ultras is generally to support their own team. Some hooligans try to be inconspicuous when they travel; usually not wearing team colours, in order to avoid detection by the police. Within the ultra or hooligan culture however, those dressing to "blend in" would be referred to as casuals, which is viewed by some as a branch of hooliganism, yet still maintaining its own independence and culture.

Ultras tend to be more conspicuous when they travel, proudly displaying their scarves and club colours while arriving en masse, which allows the police to keep a close eye on their movements.

As for 'nicking an Italian word' - you do realise every language in the world is influenced by other tongues. Including 'tifo' but we're happy to see those in England, even if they are put on by 'fake ultras'.

Still not sure why everyone so desperate to not have them in the UK, considering foreign ultras groups are often influenced by British fan culture of the 60s/70s (flags/scarves etc) and guarantee a better atmosphere for all.

[Bamba's Babes]

Their boozer ain't gonna know what sank it!!! Cam on den you cockneh cants

[GingerrrFox]

Agree with this. Two lads who owned the flags make the decision whether to go to the police, report to the club etc, not anyone else.

It's quite clear that those lads aren't offended by it (actually seems a backhanded compliment that they recognise UFS as a group worth nicking from) and certainly wouldn't grass up other fans.

Talk of taking boozers is almost as ridiculous as reporting it to the police/club when it's not even your property and makes us look like minty tinmen.

Taking a boozer isn't really that ridiculous. They have clearly tried to "take the piss" out of Leicester City and Leicester fans. If a group of Leicester fans turn up at that pub in March, start drinking there, singing Leicester songs and waving Leicester flags and Palace "Ultras" don't do anything they have been 1 upped. It's part and parcel of playing these kind of silly games. It's not something I'd be part of but if it happens the "Holmesdale Fanatics" only have themselves to blame.

[BigMicky]

Consider yourself enlightened:

While ultras groups can become violent, the majority of matches attended by ultras conclude with no violent incidents.

Unlike hooligan firms, whose main aim is to fight hooligans of other clubs, the main focus of ultras is generally to support their own team. Some hooligans try to be inconspicuous when they travel; usually not wearing team colours, in order to avoid detection by the police. Within the ultra or hooligan culture however, those dressing to "blend in" would be referred to as casuals, which is viewed by some as a branch of hooliganism, yet still maintaining its own independence and culture.

Ultras tend to be more conspicuous when they travel, proudly displaying their scarves and club colours while arriving en masse, which allows the police to keep a close eye on their movements.

As for 'nicking an Italian word' - you do realise every language in the world is influenced by other tongues. Including 'tifo' but we're happy to see those in England, even if they are put on by 'fake ultras'.

Still not sure why everyone so desperate to not have them in the UK, considering foreign ultras groups are often influenced by British fan culture of the 60s/70s (flags/scarves etc) and guarantee a better atmosphere for all.

So ultras are full kit w%ankers then?

[Guest Bilo]

Time to stop crying about it and just make new flags now.

I'd chip in for a mock up of the System Of A Down "steal this album" cover with album replaced with flag.

Then beneath it you have one of Wasyl elbowing some **** in the throat with "this time we're watching" or some menacing crap on it.

Make a joke out of it, move on.

 

If Palace are in a relegation fight (unlikely, but you never know) by March, we'd have perhaps the funniest flag in England.

So ultras are full kit w%ankers then?

 

No.

[Bayfox]

Consider yourself enlightened:

While ultras groups can become violent, the majority of matches attended by ultras conclude with no violent incidents.

Unlike hooligan firms, whose main aim is to fight hooligans of other clubs, the main focus of ultras is generally to support their own team. Some hooligans try to be inconspicuous when they travel; usually not wearing team colours, in order to avoid detection by the police. Within the ultra or hooligan culture however, those dressing to "blend in" would be referred to as casuals, which is viewed by some as a branch of hooliganism, yet still maintaining its own independence and culture.

Ultras tend to be more conspicuous when they travel, proudly displaying their scarves and club colours while arriving en masse, which allows the police to keep a close eye on their movements.

As for 'nicking an Italian word' - you do realise every language in the world is influenced by other tongues. Including 'tifo' but we're happy to see those in England, even if they are put on by 'fake ultras'.

Still not sure why everyone so desperate to not have them in the UK, considering foreign ultras groups are often influenced by British fan culture of the 60s/70s (flags/scarves etc) and guarantee a better atmosphere for all.

 

So are palace fans a bit confused then, because they have this all wear black nonsense going on, so as to make it more difficult to be identified if they are caught up in any issues.

[Carl the Llama]

I find the whole ultras thing incredibly cringeworthy.  If, as some would try to claim, they just want to make a special effort to support their team that's great, it's called being an enthusiastic football fan.  They don't need some poxy word to differentiate between themselves and all the other enthusiastic, non-violent fans in the stadium.  The second you do that you're quite clearly saying that you believe there is a difference between you and those fans which betrays either a poorly hidden (and often imaginative) roughness under the surface or else a not necessarily vindictive but certainly inflated sense of superiority.

 

In short I believe people who call themselves ultras are either pathetic wannabe gangsters or complete mugs missing the point of supporting your club.

[C-man]

I find the whole ultras thing incredibly cringeworthy. If, as some would try to claim, they just want to make a special effort to support their team that's great, it's called being an enthusiastic football fan. They don't need some poxy word to differentiate between themselves and all the other enthusiastic, non-violent fans in the stadium. The second you do that you're quite clearly saying that you believe there is a difference between you and those fans which betrays either a poorly hidden (and often imaginative) roughness under the surface or else a not necessarily vindictive but certainly inflated sense of superiority.

In short I believe people who call themselves ultras are either pathetic wannabe gangsters or complete mugs missing the point of supporting your club.

I can't believe it's possible to disagree any more. Enthusiastic football fan

I don't see how people who devote hundreds of additional hours/pounds every season to create flags/tifos etc and take the time to back FSF led campaigns for the betterment of all football fans can be missing the point of supporting their club?

[Finnaldo]

I find the whole ultras thing incredibly cringeworthy.  If, as some would try to claim, they just want to make a special effort to support their team that's great, it's called being an enthusiastic football fan.  They don't need some poxy word to differentiate between themselves and all the other enthusiastic, non-violent fans in the stadium.  The second you do that you're quite clearly saying that you believe there is a difference between you and those fans which betrays either a poorly hidden (and often imaginative) roughness under the surface or else a not necessarily vindictive but certainly inflated sense of superiority.

 

In short I believe people who call themselves ultras are either pathetic wannabe gangsters or complete mugs missing the point of supporting your club.

 

Agree. Europe can have their half-baked culture. It's England 2015 and whilst the atmosphere, buzz and scenes are very desirable, nicking flags, setting off pyrotechnics and a fixation on 100% genuinely original songs is something that the won't help get the club, police or our own more conservative fans on side. UFS has done well and succeeded because it's simply a fans group, which encourages participation which along with form has really helped bolster our support, unlike the Fosse Boys who tried to be something they weren't and became pretty isolated and excluded. Macho fan sects are a thing of the past and Union FS have handled it well being a lot more modern and moderate which has proved to the club that the fans can be trusted. Let's keep it that way.         

[EnglishOxide]

Too many people here are associating ultras with violence. That's not really the case, especially in England.

[filbertstreet]

Too many people here are associating ultras with violence. That's not really the case, especially in England.

think they're being associated more with being 12 and flag stealing wankery at the moment

[Finnaldo]

Too many people here are associating ultras with violence. That's not really the case, especially in England.

 

It doesn't need to be. This incident and cases like pyrotechnics and that's all the 'evidence' politicians or the club needs to clamp straight down on it. Can we not move forward without copying an Eastern European/Italian football culture?

[GeorgeTheFox]

If you have to label yourselves as ultras... you are not ultras.. you are just posers

[Carl the Llama]

I can't believe it's possible to disagree any more. Enthusiastic football fan

I don't see how people who devote hundreds of additional hours/pounds every season to create flags/tifos etc and take the time to back FSF led campaigns for the betterment of all football fans can be missing the point of supporting their club?

Why do you disagree?

 

Finners is bang on about UFS - they've managed to create a fan-group which has been a huge success because the insistence has been on creating a positive atmosphere and getting everyone involved, not going in for all the dumb 'let's all be cool ultras' crap.