Webbo Posted 16 January 2016 Posted 16 January 2016 Chris Powell on FF said he couldn't see Pearson going to Bristol City.
FireFox Posted 16 January 2016 Posted 16 January 2016 Why does this thread still exist in this section?
Countryfox Posted 16 January 2016 Posted 16 January 2016 Why does this thread still exist in this section? Cus some of us are still interested in what happens to our last (controversial) manager who played a big part in getting us where we are today and still may effect the club now if he tries to prise away some of our backroom staff ..... At a guess.
Richmondfox Posted 16 January 2016 Posted 16 January 2016 If NP does go to Brizzle I think we should wish him all the best (I can't understand how some people here seem to run down his achievements for us). I for one would like to see him back in football and Bizzle might suit him down to the ground IF he has supportive owners who are prepared to take the long view and not to panic when things go wrong. (as indeed City' owners were). I'm surprised he didn't go to Villa actually, be he said once that the only wasy an Englishman can manage in the premiership is to take a team up. He wasn't quite right, but had something of a point even so. Have a listen to 5 Live from last night, Pearson is on it and said that he was never even approached for the job. The other week on football focus they were talking about Pearson and Villa and Barton brought up the point that Pearson deserves better than Villa, the club are a mess from the ground up. Pearson was really good last night on 5 Live, he was intelligent, interesting and knowledgeable. The comments about him being a PR nightmare are a bit over the top. He always said ask me a stupid question and you'll get a stupid answer, or something along those lines.
inckley fox Posted 16 January 2016 Posted 16 January 2016 There is no doubt Gillies is the best. Took us to four domestic cup finals, winning one, while also nearly winning the league in '63 (if it wasn't for those four or five consecutive defeats). Lost in the FA Cup final that year too. How people over look this is beyond me. I think there's some doubt there. This is from history books (and Dad and friends), but Gillies took over a top flight side, struggling though it was, and when he left a decade later we were on our way to relegation. In the meantime he achieved some of our best finishes, though not our best two finishes (that was Orr), won the League Cup when it was a less established competition and very nearly won a great deal more. But O'Neill had the promotion, he won more silverware, and while the squad he left needed replenishing it was still top the following October and finished 13th the next season. If you compare their average top flight finish, I think O'Neill pips him. On top of that, Gillies took an even more backseat role than O'Neill, often missing games to go scouting. He was a better team-builder than man-manager, with those duties left to his assistant (was it Bert Johnson, or have I invented that name?). He also broke a British transfer record, which was never faintly within O'Neill's reach. On the face of it, I'd lump for O'Neill because he had less in the way of resources, had to get us promoted, won more and averaged higher top flight finishes - and in an era where there was far less mobility for smaller teams.
5waller5 Posted 16 January 2016 Posted 16 January 2016 Perhaps you percieve the FOAD bit to be worse than a simple FO? It's the same thing as far as I'm concerned. A throwaway comment where he is completely in the right. If such things were happening regularly then I would understand using it against him as a slight against his professionalism. Calling a reporter who is acting like a **** a ****? What a monster. The reporter himself found it funny so why some of our fans use it to express fake outrage and offence to it i am utterly baffled by. The Lineker thing was anything but a spat. Lineker had a pop at him, Nige had a pop back. Nothing wrong with that. Even if you disagree with my belief that there is nothing to these indescretions, and therefore he is not 'nuts' then at least you should be able to overlook them in the name of being biased. The majority of Man U fans and Chelsea fans don't have a pop at their managers just because they are of combative nature. It's overlooked because of the positives which outweigh the negatives at a ratio of 99:1. The same should apply here. Sorry for the long post. I think it's just that I find the term 'nuts' to be more derogatory then anything Nigel has said and its unfair to label him that when everything he achieved here (prem survival, two promotions, smart squad building on a tight budget and steady progression) is in complete contrast to the term 'nuts'. 'Nuts' puts you in the same bracket as Di Canio, the Venkys and Billy Davies To this point I'd read your comments and thought "wow he really does have blinkered vision with regards to Pearson" ..... Then the first sentence of this post changed my mind ..... it's the world you see differently not Pearson!!!!
hackneyfox Posted 16 January 2016 Posted 16 January 2016 Add to that his days at Carlisle where he pulled off a miracle to keep them up too, that Jimmy Glass goal. He kept them up after taking them on a terrible run, don't think they were in deep relegation trouble when he took over.
5waller5 Posted 16 January 2016 Posted 16 January 2016 Have a listen to 5 Live from last night, Pearson is on it and said that he was never even approached for the job. The other week on football focus they were talking about Pearson and Villa and Barton brought up the point that Pearson deserves better than Villa, the club are a mess from the ground up. Pearson was really good last night on 5 Live, he was intelligent, interesting and knowledgeable. The comments about him being a PR nightmare are a bit over the top. He always said ask me a stupid question and you'll get a stupid answer, or something along those lines. And that's what he does wrong ..... I've heard the same stupid questions be asked of Claudio and he completely ignores the question and just gives a full answer on his view of the game .... He pretty much ignores the stupid, "Claudio, 65% possession and a disallowed goal to them, when does your luck run out?" and answers the question"HI Claudio, what did you think of the game".
5waller5 Posted 16 January 2016 Posted 16 January 2016 He kept them up after taking them on a terrible run, don't think they were in deep relegation trouble when he took over. I thought they were? .... for me, I'd trust him much more with a fight than a steady job. He's a motivator and not a tactician.
Carl the Llama Posted 16 January 2016 Posted 16 January 2016 I thought they were? .... for me, I'd trust him much more with a fight than a steady job. He's a motivator and not a tactician. Why do you say that? Yes he's great at motivating players to beat the drop, but he's also great at building strong squads that can compete at the top of their league. Before last season we didn't really get much chance to see how he dealt with relegation battles ourselves because he was too busy promoting us or getting us into the playoffs.
Countryfox Posted 16 January 2016 Posted 16 January 2016 I thought they were? .... for me, I'd trust him much more with a fight than a steady job. He's a motivator and not a tactician. Probably right, he seemed to stumble onto the right tactics rather than see them first ... And we'll probably never know how much input was Shakeys and key players like Cambiasso. But one thing he had in spades was an ability to keep the players protected and grounded ... He would never suffer any prima donnas that's for sure and that is reflected now in the camaraderie amongst them.
5waller5 Posted 16 January 2016 Posted 16 January 2016 Why do you say that? Yes he's great at motivating players to beat the drop, but he's also great at building strong squads that can compete at the top of their league. Before last season we didn't really get much chance to see how he dealt with relegation battles ourselves because he was too busy promoting us or getting us into the playoffs. It's just how I see him .... A big intimidating fella that's good at making you want to play for him and give it you're all .... Makes you feel great if you've put everything in and scares you if you don't. I think his stubbornness gets in the way of him being more than a top championship manager or lower end Prem manager, as he is just too slow to learn and sticks by his decisions too long when they're not right. Those qualities, for me if i was a chairman, would have me recruiting him if i thought we were underperforming and wanted a short - medium term boost in performances from the same players. I realise he does the long-term stuff too, sports science and player recruitment, but I don't think he has the tactical awareness to add to that. He's got talent obviously and plays to his strengths, he probably also understands his weaknesses which is why he makes the most of player recruitment, fitness and motivation, which mostly makes up for the tactical side of things.
5waller5 Posted 16 January 2016 Posted 16 January 2016 Probably right, he seemed to stumble onto the right tactics rather than see them first ... And we'll probably never know how much input was Shakeys and key players like Cambiasso. But one thing he had in spades was an ability to keep the players protected and grounded ... He would never suffer any prima donnas that's for sure and that is reflected now in the camaraderie amongst them. Exactly how I saw it too .... And yeah it would be very interesting to know the details of their input - it's certainly urban legend that they had a big say in the shake up that led to the turnaround. If they did it's still credit to NP for actually listening (in the end)!!!
themightyfin Posted 16 January 2016 Posted 16 January 2016 Shakey will go wherever NP ends up i'm afraid. That's just the way it is. The only reason NP has not got a job somewhere yet is clubs not wanting to pay the compo package for Shakey. As soon as a club with enough money to pay us off wants NP then Shakey will be off with him i have no doubt.
Countryfox Posted 16 January 2016 Posted 16 January 2016 Shakey will go wherever NP ends up i'm afraid. That's just the way it is. The only reason NP has not got a job somewhere yet is clubs not wanting to pay the compo package for Shakey. As soon as a club with enough money to pay us off wants NP then Shakey will be off with him i have no doubt. More worried about Wrigglesworth and Walshy at the mo.
ajthefox Posted 16 January 2016 Posted 16 January 2016 Why would shakey leave us in the position we're in for what will likely be a championship team? Your confidence in this is baffling.
Countryfox Posted 16 January 2016 Posted 16 January 2016 Why would shakey leave us in the position we're in for what will likely be a championship team? Your confidence in this is baffling. I was always about 90 / 10 he'd go to keep up that unique relationship that they had developed in which the sum was greater than the parts .... Now i'd agree that if Shakey was asked by NP to go it would not be so straight forward .... Less than 50/ 50 now ... imo.
themightyfin Posted 16 January 2016 Posted 16 January 2016 Why would shakey leave us in the position we're in for what will likely be a championship team? Your confidence in this is baffling. Because he's NP's number 2 always has been and always will be.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 17 January 2016 Posted 17 January 2016 Pearson's on the radio again today I believe - which suggests to me he's starting to more pro-actively toute for work (the soundbites put up,on the BBC sport website were quite interesting as well).
dylanlegend Posted 17 January 2016 Posted 17 January 2016 Apparently he's off to Derby.... You heard it here first!
Countryfox Posted 17 January 2016 Posted 17 January 2016 Apparently he's off to Derby.... You heard it here first! Based on .... ?
Donut Posted 17 January 2016 Posted 17 January 2016 Apparently he's off to Derby.... You heard it here first! So whats up with Paul Clement then? If he gets the job, and takes Derby up, then hes a hate object whatever he has done here.
Matt Posted 17 January 2016 Posted 17 January 2016 Ohhh we could have the Nigel Pearson Trophy. I've always been envious of Derby and Forest having the Brian Clough Trophy.
Raw Dykes Posted 17 January 2016 Posted 17 January 2016 Ohhh we could have the Nigel Pearson Trophy. I've always been envious of Derby and Forest having the Brian Clough Trophy. I'd have us in the Championship if only Derby and Forest would care about us.
volpeazzurro Posted 17 January 2016 Posted 17 January 2016 Probably right, he seemed to stumble onto the right tactics rather than see them first ... And we'll probably never know how much input was Shakeys and key players like Cambiasso. But one thing he had in spades was an ability to keep the players protected and grounded ... He would never suffer any prima donnas that's for sure and that is reflected now in the camaraderie amongst them. Don't think I could have summed it up any better myself, spot on in my view. I thinkPearson had a hell of a job re personnel when he first got here and it must have been difficult getting rid of the overpaid problem makers yet keeping the faith of other players at the same time as I'm sure there were a few big characters among that lot. Perhaps he lost his way after the first few games when we'd played well using the same pace and passing game we'd used to obliterate teams in the Championship. I too think that the turn around wasn't soley down to him but whether assistance came from Shakey, Cambiasso or whoever, he listened and the rest is history. I was one of those who was keen to have Ranieri as I knew his overall record stood up to scrutiny rather than the blinkered short term comment regarding the Greek job coupled with the term 'Tinkerman'. He's taken us to the next level and his demeanor with the media is nothing short of fantastic. I think as a tactician he is superior to NP but just wonder how future recruitment policy will stack up compared with under Pearson. The upshot is Pearson did a brilliant job for us and I wish him extremely well in the future. We are lucky to have got Ranieri who is also doing a good job and we have to trust his judgement, I certainly didn't see anyone else better at the time who would have realistically taken us on, so full marks to our owners also as I didn't see that one coming.
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