Cropwellfox Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 1 more point, or Man City v Arsenal ending in a win for either side, and we are in the group stages. Utterly insane!
Danno Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 When do the group stages actually finish? I'm gonna be living in Spain from January onwards so hoping we get drawn with a spanish team.
ScouseFox Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 When do the group stages actually finish? I'm gonna be living in Spain from January onwards so hoping we get drawn with a spanish team. before christmas, then back in the knockouts in like february pretty sure.
CosbehFox Posted 26 April 2016 Posted 26 April 2016 Updated after this weekend and the latest European fixtures If italic's the club has qualified for Champions League group stages. If Bold, the club are confirmed Champions. The assumption is that Bayern Munich win the Champions League and Sevilla win the Europa League. The teams who entered via the qualification stages has been based on their UEFA club ranking. Pot 1 - Barcelona, Leicester City, Bayern Munich, Juventus, Paris St Germain, Benfica, Rostov, Ajax Pot 2 - Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid, Borussia Dortmund, Arsenal, Manchester City, FC Porto, Napoli, Sevilla Pot 3 - Bayer Leverkusen, FC Basel, Shakhtar Donetsk, Tottenham Hotspur, Olympiakos, Dynamo Kiev, Olympique Lyonnais, PSV Eindhoven Pot 4 - Villarreal, Sporting Lisbon, Club Brugge, Red Bull Salzburg, Besiktas, BATE, FC Copenhague, Red Star Belgrade The most notable changes has been that Rostov reclaimed the top spot in the Russian League which would see them immediately placed in Pot 1. They finish 2nd and you'd think they would get knocked out of the qualifiers. Also within Pot 1, Ajax and PSV Eindhoven go into the final two games equal on points. It's similarly tight in Spain and Portugal. Pot 2 - FC Porto will be in the Champions League qualifiers but you'd expect a squad of their quality to get through. Sevilla would be positioned here with success in the Europa League. Pot 3 - Leverkusen have overtaken Hertha Berlin for the third German spot. Hertha would potentially struggle in the playoffs. Shakhtar Donetsk have potential to go up a pot with Europa League glory. The spots for the French league in 2nd and 3rd are very tight too. Pot 4 - No real change here. But this pot is so likely to change. I will sharpen the whole qualifying process as teams win their leagues.
stu Posted 26 April 2016 Posted 26 April 2016 Is there a chance we could end up in a group with Arsenal/Man City, Spurs and someone from pot 4 (or 1), or are there things in place that stops teams from the same nation meeting in the groups?
CosbehFox Posted 26 April 2016 Posted 26 April 2016 Is there a chance we could end up in a group with Arsenal/Man City, Spurs and someone from pot 4 (or 1), or are there things in place that stops teams from the same nation meeting in the groups? Teams from the same nation can not meet in the group stage
Gerard Posted 26 April 2016 Posted 26 April 2016 Is there a chance we could end up in a group with Arsenal/Man City, Spurs and someone from pot 4 (or 1), or are there things in place that stops teams from the same nation meeting in the groups? You can't draw teams from your own country until the QF's.
KFS Posted 26 April 2016 Posted 26 April 2016 Is there a chance we could end up in a group with Arsenal/Man City, Spurs and someone from pot 4 (or 1), or are there things in place that stops teams from the same nation meeting in the groups? Just watching last year's draw. They have 'country protection' in place for the groups.
Gerard Posted 26 April 2016 Posted 26 April 2016 Dream draw: Leicester Porto Olympiacos Copenhagen Nightmare draw: Leicester Real Madrid Bayer Leverkusen Sporting Lisbon
Captain... Posted 26 April 2016 Posted 26 April 2016 Hoping for Real or Atleti to win the CL, then they join Barcelona in pot 1 and Rostov drop to pot 2, so we could draw: Rostov, Olympiakos BATE Or would that be disappointing? Would we rather have Real/Atletico Madrid Leverkusen Red Star
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 26 April 2016 Posted 26 April 2016 Out of those there at the moment, Dortmund, PSV and Belgrade would be my pick.
Gerard Posted 26 April 2016 Posted 26 April 2016 Hoping for Real or Atleti to win the CL, then they join Barcelona in pot 1 and Rostov drop to pot 2, so we could draw: Rostov, Olympiakos BATE Or would that be disappointing? Would we rather have Real/Atletico Madrid Leverkusen Red Star I'm reasonably sure Rostov would end up in pot 4 with that scenario. It's only the CL winner and the league winner of the top 7/8 countries go in as first seeds. The other 24 clubs are ranked by their personal coefficients and Rostov would be low.
Captain... Posted 26 April 2016 Posted 26 April 2016 I'm reasonably sure Rostov would end up in pot 4 with that scenario. It's only the CL winner and the league winner of the top 7/8 countries go in as first seeds. The other 24 clubs are ranked by their personal coefficients and Rostov would be low. My bad, I thought the winner of the Russian League would drop to pot 2 if the CL holder wasn't already pot 1.
foxoffderby Posted 26 April 2016 Posted 26 April 2016 Dream draw: Leicester Porto Olympiacos Copenhagen Nightmare draw: Leicester Real Madrid Bayer Leverkusen Sporting Lisbon Depends on your point of view. I want all the big teams. We may never get another chance to play them.
Captain... Posted 26 April 2016 Posted 26 April 2016 So we will get 80 million for making the CL. There are a few factors that can change that, Liverpool winning the Europa League is one, Arsenal/Man City/United not making it through the qualifier is another. There is a market pool that represents the CL TV rights share for that league's country. It is split between the participants of the group stage from that league based on league position. So last season I think it was around £90m, Man City got £31m, Liverpool £23m, Chelsea £21m, Arsenal £17m. The market pool has since gone up massively, so if 4 teams qualify from the Premier League we will get around £50m from that + £12m participation + any extra for points won in the group stage. If only 3 teams reach the group stages, then the pool is split between fewer teams and we would get around £15m more, if Liverpool win the Europa League and 5 teams reach the group stage, we will get about £10m less. The figures are approximations as I haven't seen the final amount for the market pool, nor how it is split. I think the split might even be on points won and not position, so that is motivation to win the league by as many as possible... http://www.totalsportek.com/money/uefa-champions-league-prize-money/ This sort of explains it.
foxes161 Posted 26 April 2016 Posted 26 April 2016 There are a few factors that can change that, Liverpool winning the Europa League is one, Arsenal/Man City/United not making it through the qualifier is another. There is a market pool that represents the CL TV rights share for that league's country. It is split between the participants of the group stage from that league based on league position. So last season I think it was around £90m, Man City got £30m, Liverpool £24, Chelsea £19, United £17. The market pool has since gone up massively, so if 4 teams qualify from the Premier League we will get around £60m from that + £12m participation + any extra for points won in the group stage. If only 3 teams reach the group stages, then the pool is split between fewer teams and we would get around £20m more, if Liverpool win the Europa League and 5 teams reach the group stage, we will get about £10m less. The figures are approximations as I haven't seen the final amount for the market pool, nor how it is split. I think the split might even be on points won and not position, so that is motivation to win the league by as many as possible... cheers captain, makes things abit more clear in terms of how the money is spread out.
Gerard Posted 26 April 2016 Posted 26 April 2016 There are a few factors that can change that, Liverpool winning the Europa League is one, Arsenal/Man City/United not making it through the qualifier is another. There is a market pool that represents the CL TV rights share for that league's country. It is split between the participants of the group stage from that league based on league position. So last season I think it was around £90m, Man City got £30m, Liverpool £24, Chelsea £19, United £17. The market pool has since gone up massively, so if 4 teams qualify from the Premier League we will get around £50m from that + £12m participation + any extra for points won in the group stage. If only 3 teams reach the group stages, then the pool is split between fewer teams and we would get around £15m more, if Liverpool win the Europa League and 5 teams reach the group stage, we will get about £10m less. The figures are approximations as I haven't seen the final amount for the market pool, nor how it is split. I think the split might even be on points won and not position, so that is motivation to win the league by as many as possible... http://www.totalsportek.com/money/uefa-champions-league-prize-money/ This sort of explains it. Is that a fact? I'll be cheering on Villareal against Liverpool now.
Captain... Posted 26 April 2016 Posted 26 April 2016 Is that a fact? I'll be cheering on Villareal against Liverpool now. Look at how much Juventus made from the CL last season, The market pool was split between just them and Roma as Napoli failed to qualify for the groups. Juve 58m and Roma 35m Had Napoli qualified it would have split between 3 clubs, probably something like 38/30/25 so Napoli failing to qualify netted Juventus an extra 20m
Gerard Posted 26 April 2016 Posted 26 April 2016 Depends on your point of view. I want all the big teams. We may never get another chance to play them. We're Champions of England in waiting mate. I want an easy draw so we have a greater chance of progression not glamour ties so we can put up a fight and eventually roll over.
RowlattsFox Posted 26 April 2016 Posted 26 April 2016 who are the hell are Rostov? And what is there story? Pot 1 with us and them in will make uefa change the rules again.
Gerard Posted 26 April 2016 Posted 26 April 2016 Look at how much Juventus made from the CL last season, The market pool was split between just them and Roma as Napoli failed to qualify for the groups. Juve 58m and Roma 35m Had Napoli qualified it would have split between 3 clubs, probably something like 38/30/25 so Napoli failing to qualify netted Juventus an extra 20m We'll also have a vested interest in the play off that the English team gets knocked out.
Gerard Posted 26 April 2016 Posted 26 April 2016 who are the hell are Rostov? And what is there story? Pot 1 with us and them in will make uefa change the rules again. Russian champions elect, they're ahead of CSKA Moscow and Zenit so they would deserve Pot 1. Pot 1 isn't arbitrary it's made up of the league winners of the top 7/8 countries in Europe ranked by coefficients. http://uk.soccerway.com/national/russia/premier-league/20152016/regular-season/r31690/?ICID=SN_01_08
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