Charl91 Posted 21 August 2016 Posted 21 August 2016 Huth is probably our best CB ever. Started our great escape, and then took us to the title. Morgan is up there, though.
Fox92 Posted 21 August 2016 Posted 21 August 2016 Huth should take a lot of credit. Morgan has really improved since Huh joined the club. But Morgan still puts his arms all over opponents at corners. Clattenburg had to tell him twice. If it'd had been a referee who doesn't think we'd have conceded a penalty - look at the Stoke game earlier in the day.
Sampson Posted 21 August 2016 Posted 21 August 2016 Feck me. People saying Elliott and Walsh were far better? I can understand if people prefer them, but saying they were far better is just nostalgia goggles. Neither ever reached anywhere near the consistency of Big Wes last season. It's so easy with great players from the past to forget about their bad games and remember their great games, but our defence under MON was never really that great and used to concede quite a lot. You could even argue Walsh was never really a great player for us in the top flight despite being a great defender for us in the 2nd tier he often struggled in the PL and wasn't even a regular starter for most of our time under MON in the PL. In 20 years time people will say the same thing about Huth and Morgan as they say about Walsh and Elliott now - people remember the bad games of current players, they don't of players 20 years ago. Simple fact is, Huth and Morgan as a partnership are unquestionably better than Walsh and Elliott were. That's not to say Walsh and Elliott weren't great players for us and neither am I undermining what they did for the club, they deserve to be remembered as all-time greats, but Morgan and Huth deserve to be remembered in that vein even more.
TJB-fox Posted 21 August 2016 Posted 21 August 2016 10 minutes ago, Fox92 said: Huth should take a lot of credit. Morgan has really improved since Huh joined the club. But Morgan still puts his arms all over opponents at corners. Clattenburg had to tell him twice. If it'd had been a referee who doesn't think we'd have conceded a penalty - look at the Stoke game earlier in the day. In fairness every centre back in the league does
Sharpe's Fox Posted 21 August 2016 Posted 21 August 2016 Huth should have been in the team of the year last season. He is two thirds of our partnership rather than a half in all honesty.
Grewks Posted 21 August 2016 Posted 21 August 2016 1 hour ago, Collymore said: He's had one excellent season where he's led us to the title - That in itself is something that has raised the bar to such height that it makes the argument very interesting. This moment in time he doesn't make my top 3. I think Matt Elliott would still be my number one choice with Walsh a close second. Elliott and Walsh did it consistently over a number of seasons and scoring that brace at Wembley V Tranmere was unbelievable. Elliott was not just an excellent defender, he was very good on the ball with exceptional technique and awareness and he'd also be good for 8 goals a season... You think Morgan's a good leader? Walsh epitomised what a leader was about, scored goals and was simply Mr Leicester. 3rd place goes to Huth - Huth is better than Morgan hands down, as simple as that. 5 years down the road it might be Huth and Morgan who are my top 2 but for now they need more time to knock Elliott and Walsh off the podium. You can't put Elliott and Walsh above a premier league winner, especially Elliott because 'two goals against tranmere'. As for Walsh, we had a handful of superior center halves during his era. If he was our second best center half....Why did we put him up top?
Sampson Posted 21 August 2016 Posted 21 August 2016 2 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Huth should have been in the team of the year last season. He is two thirds of our partnership rather than a half in all honesty. Complete bollocks. Huth had a very slow start to last season whereas Morgan was utterly immense throughout. That's not to say Huth didn't have a fantastic season as well but Morgan absolutely deserved being in TOTY last season, he was the most consistent centre back in the PL last year.
Gazza M Posted 21 August 2016 Posted 21 August 2016 Elliott at his peak in 98 was an excellent defender. For me he would have been the sort of ideal cover for Huth and Morgan today. Walsh was never anywhere near Huth and Morgan to be honest. Injuries sustained took care of that. He did well to play again. A top, top 2nd tier defender. Could get by in a back 3 at Prem level with some work horses around him. Walsh was a great leader and one of the best characters to have ever played in a blue shirt.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 21 August 2016 Posted 21 August 2016 6 minutes ago, Sampson said: Complete bollocks. Huth had a very slow start to last season whereas Morgan was utterly immense throughout. That's not to say Huth didn't have a fantastic season as well but Morgan absolutely deserved being in TOTY last season, he was the most consistent centre back in the PL last year. Whenever Huth isn't next to him Wes looks like half the player. He looked like Sol Cambell yesterday but without Huth against Hull he reverted to being Sol Bamba like when we first went up.
Claridge Posted 21 August 2016 Posted 21 August 2016 2 hours ago, LeiFosse 06 said: One of the best performances I've seen from him I think, hence why I gave him a 10 on the post match ratings. Great when playing with Huth,bang average when Huth'a absent.
Sampson Posted 21 August 2016 Posted 21 August 2016 15 minutes ago, Claridge said: Great when playing with Huth,bang average when Huth'a absent. 17 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Whenever Huth isn't next to him Wes looks like half the player. He looked like Sol Cambell yesterday but without Huth against Hull he reverted to being Sol Bamba like when we first went up. And? What's your point? Huth definitely brings the best out of Morgan and they have a great understanding together but why does that make Morgan less of a player or his performances worse? It wasn't Huth making that outstanding last minute block against Sanchez yeterday. It wasn't Huth winning all those headers and beasting Arsenal's defence. I don't understand why people are using the fact that Huth and Morgan was fantastically as a partnership to beat Morgan over the head with. He was the best defender in PL last season, why is it to his detriment that his defensive partner helped bring the best out of him? No one is saying Huth isn't great too brings the best out of Morgan, but that doesn't mean Huth is 2/3rds of that defensive duo, that is just bullshit. Morgan is still contributing exceptionally well. (And what's to say Huth would be the same player for us if he were alongside Hernandez as well? Does it not work both ways?) Is Okazaki worth 2/3rds of our stirike force because Okazaki brings the best out of Vardy and Vardy has always struggled in the top flight when not alongside Okazaki?
Sharpe's Fox Posted 21 August 2016 Posted 21 August 2016 6 minutes ago, Sampson said: And? What's your point? Huth definitely brings the best out of Morgan and they have a great understanding together but why does that make Morgan less of a player or his performances worse? It wasn't Huth making that outstanding last minute block against Sanchez yeterday. It wasn't Huth winning all those headers and beasting Arsenal's defence. I don't understand why people are using the fact that Huth and Morgan was fantastically as a partnership to beat Morgan over the head with. He was the best defender in PL last season, why is it to his detriment that his defensive partner helped bring the best out of him? No one is saying Huth isn't great too brings the best out of Morgan, but that doesn't mean Huth is 2/3rds of that defensive duo, that is just bullshit. Morgan is still contributing exceptionally well. (And what's to say Huth would be the same player for us if he were alongside Hernandez as well? Does it not work both ways?) You've used a lot of words there to say absolutely nothing. If the defence is pants when Morgan is in the side but Huth isn't and the defence is great when Huth is in there that obviously means Huth is the better defender. That's pretty much flawless logic, pal. Also if Morgan can't replicate the same performance without Huth next to him that obviously makes him less of a player. The only good point you make is the one where you point out whether Huth would be any good without Morgan, but since he was solid for Stoke for about seven years we can dismiss that as hot bluster as well.
Sampson Posted 21 August 2016 Posted 21 August 2016 36 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: You've used a lot of words there to say absolutely nothing. If the defence is pants when Morgan is in the side but Huth isn't and the defence is great when Huth is in there that obviously means Huth is the better defender. That's pretty much flawless logic, pal. Also if Morgan can't replicate the same performance without Huth next to him that obviously makes him less of a player. The only good point you make is the one where you point out whether Huth would be any good without Morgan, but since he was solid for Stoke for about seven years we can dismiss that as hot bluster as well. That isn't flawless logic at all. And that's a meaningless statement to dismiss everything I wrote - you didn't even answer my question about Vardy being pants when Okazaki is in the team meaning Okazaki is the better player. I thought by now our fans would've recognised how perfectly balanced our system is which brings the best out of players. Morgan was the better defender over Huth last season because he was consistently better at the things that make up defending i.e. positioning, blocking, tackling, winning headers etc. whereas Huth had a much slower first half to the season but still was fantastic throughout the season, just not to the consistent level Morgan was throughout the season. Of course Morgan benefited from having Huth on the side of him and not having to play on his wrong side of left-centre back alongside an inexperienced defender at this level like Moore or Hernandez. But it was still Morgan doing all those things, it wasn't Huth winning headers, having excellent positioning around him, beating players for strength etc. etc. I don't understand why fans are trying to belittle one of the best centre backs we've ever had because he another player helps bring the best out of him - that's what football tactics and systems are supposed to be about, getting systems and partnerships which bring the best out of players. It's still Morgan doing all this outstanding defensive work.
thegaffa Posted 21 August 2016 Posted 21 August 2016 1 hour ago, Grewks said: You can't put Elliott and Walsh above a premier league winner, especially Elliott because 'two goals against tranmere'. As for Walsh, we had a handful of superior center halves during his era. If he was our second best center half....Why did we put him up top? Of course you can put a player above a premier league winner, for example sherwood won the premier league but Gerrard didn't, this doesn't mean sherwood was a better player. everyone has their own interpretation and opinions on players and I'm glad we all see different things in them, it would be boring if we didn't mate.
GaelicFox Posted 21 August 2016 Posted 21 August 2016 Think Wes is an awesome specimen at the back now has improved past Huth and is the Better of the two at present
Collymore Posted 21 August 2016 Posted 21 August 2016 5 hours ago, Grewks said: You can't put Elliott and Walsh above a premier league winner, especially Elliott because 'two goals against tranmere'. As for Walsh, we had a handful of superior center halves during his era. If he was our second best center half....Why did we put him up top? But if you think about it it was only really the second half of last season where the defence gelled. Like I said, If Morgan and Huth continue to be consistent now for the next few years (and that doesn't necessarily mean winning the league or any cups) then they'll take over their reign. Also think back to the season before we won the title, Morgan was an absolute liability for big parts of that season. He can't IMO be the best ever centre back at the club from 20 games, although it's a good start...
Tuna Posted 2 September 2016 Author Posted 2 September 2016 If big Wes hadn't decided to represent Jamaica, he'd be England captain right now.
Merging Cultures Posted 2 September 2016 Posted 2 September 2016 20 minutes ago, Tuna said: If big Wes hadn't decided to represent Jamaica, he'd be England captain right now. I can't believe he hasn't had an England cap yet.
Sionnach gorm Posted 3 September 2016 Posted 3 September 2016 Where is WesMorganGod when you need him?
Aus Fox Posted 3 September 2016 Posted 3 September 2016 Jamaica out of the World Cup, wonder if Wes will play agin for them or call it time and focus on his career here.
Master Fox Posted 3 September 2016 Posted 3 September 2016 Has Wes ever played a decent game for Jamacia? Seems like pointless waste of time.
st albans fox Posted 3 September 2016 Posted 3 September 2016 3 hours ago, Aus Fox said: Jamaica out of the World Cup, wonder if Wes will play agin for them or call it time and focus on his career here. Already? Europe hasn't even started and Jamaica are out?
Adster Posted 3 September 2016 Posted 3 September 2016 12 hours ago, Tuna said: If big Wes hadn't decided to represent Jamaica, he'd be England captain right now. Doubt it mate. He plays for Leicester, not Arsenal, L'pool, Tottenham...
Aus Fox Posted 3 September 2016 Posted 3 September 2016 1 hour ago, st albans fox said: Already? Europe hasn't even started and Jamaica are out? Yes, they got to the 4th of 5 rounds and lost out in their group to Costa Rica and Panama who they lost 2-0 to today. It means Jamaica won't have a competitive match for quite some time and Wes won't get to a World Cup with them.
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