Drinkwater stats

[TheMightySystem]

Just now, NotTheMarketLeader said:

We replaced NG with Amartey in January did we? 

6 months before he left when CR thought he would stay?

Well if so, we didn't make a very  good job of it - he has a bit to prove imo from what we've seen - and am not talking about NG level, but premier league level - whereas Gueye was a decent ready made replacement - proven in this league.

 

Fyi I'm and 'not crying about Kante' 

- Amartey may well be more one for the future.

 

I don't see why you are so precious about the possibility the club may have made a mistake in not trying to sign Gueye.

 

Dont take it so personally ffs! 

 

Sorry about that, was tired earlier and just a bit annoyed that people seem to be writing off Amartey as a first team player even though in my eyes he has looked like he belongs, I apologise though that I attacked you.

Its just people keep bringing him up even though he has gone Everton, no point in dwelling on the past imo.

I think in January we bought Gray, Amartey and try to buy Musa in case Vardy, Mahrez or Kante did leave, that way they will have had enough time to adapt to top flight English football. It appeared to be good that we did buy Amartey as I dont think he would be playing as well as he is atm if we bought him in the summer with less time with the squad.

 

Anyway im supprised the Henderson is above Drinkwater, maybe he is not as bad as I thought he was?

[brucey]

The thing about Gueye that really, really annoys me is that we will never find out why we didn't go for him in the end.

As far as I'm aware we were linked to him prior to Kante, then went for Kante when Gueye chose Villa over us. Thus he was a Walshy target (so was Slimani).

 

There could be any number of reasons why we didn't buy Gueye this time - player didn't want to come, not rated by Ranieri (rightly or wrongly), doesn't fit the way Ranieri wants to play this season, other issues e.g attitude problems, wage demands, battle of wills with Ranieri vs Walshy... whatever. All perfectly acceptable reasons that I would be happy with. 

 

There's also the thought that if we had bought Gueye, as it seems Walsh wanted, current evidence at Everton shows that he most likely would have fit in perfectly and made the current already strong squad much stronger, fine margins that determine places in the CL/PL. Would not be surprised if Everton finished top 3. And current evidence at Chelsea shows Kante would not be performing nearly as well as Gueye this season.... And maybe Kante will lose his place in the French squad.... And that would have made the current squad much more reluctant to leave in the summer seeing that (which is all I really care about).

[Kitchandro]

6 hours ago, Koke said:

 

Best creative midfielder? Fabregas, KDB, Silva, Alli, Ozil, Cazorla are all better than him.

 

If you meant best English created midfielder, then that's a stretch too. Dele Alli is better IMO.

He's as good as Alli. Alli may be quicker and a better goalscorer but he can't pick a pass like Drinkwater and isn't nearly as strong.

[jaqo88]

7 hours ago, Koke said:

 

Best creative midfielder? Fabregas, KDB, Silva, Alli, Ozil, Cazorla are all better than him.

 

If you meant best English created midfielder, then that's a stretch too. Dele Alli is better IMO.

Alli and Drinky don't play the same role though. Drinky is our heartbeat and does everything from defending to attacking. Alli plays more advanced.

 

It's hard to compare but on current form I'd say Drinky is playing better and is more critical to our team than Alli is to theirs.

[Wymsey]

Would love it if he copes well with the threat of Pogba, love it.

Pogba £85m, Drinkwater was around £1m?

[Harry96]

Talk on Twitter of Utd being interested in Danny, mourinhos apparently a big fan. 

[Hack]

8 hours ago, HankMarvin said:

We missed out on Gueye who wouldve been the perfect Kante replacement but Drinkwater holding his own in the early Midfielder stats.

 

 

 

 

Notice someone missing from the list, one fellow named Kante!! Not having the same impact in Chelsea style of play.

[HankMarvin]

6 hours ago, crazyleicester said:

Boss? LOL!!!! 

 

Why are you quoting Everton stuff? Maybe Mendy was his first choice for us? Maybe he didnt rate Gueye that high for his then club Leicester but after so many deals went through he had less options and Gueye was one of the possibles for Everton. I cant believe a player that Villa bought for 9m I think it was is then available one season later for LESS at 7m and Ranieri said no. I cant see it in a million years. Thats why its such a non-story. We dont need the experts of the game like yourself telling us how great players are as basically you dont know any more than any of us who have access to youtube, club forums and normal media outlets.

 

Back to your original post, lets talk DD and dont worry about any of the players who we should or could have moved for because once again, we didnt!!!!

 I highlighted the fact that he is topping the charts in tackling and interceptions and his passing stats are also ranked highly not sure wtf your going on about experts of the game crap??

 

Since when have statistics been an opinion??

 

I also said he was player we missed out on, which he is - as reported below, yet you seem so adamant that the club never wanted him, or was linked when in fact your talking about of your bum. 

From your rant above its seems like you are struggling to understand the concept of a Leicester Forum.

 

Don't ever look in the transfer forum, your brain would explode!!!

 

Idrissa Gueye cost Everton £7m and Leicester wanted him before they signed N'Golo Kante... has Steve Walsh unearthed another diamond?

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3787115/Idrissa-Gueye-cost-Everton-7m-Leicester-wanted-signed-N-Golo-Kante-Steve-Walsh-unearthed-diamond.html

 

 

[EnglishOxide]

7 hours ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

 

I don't see why you are so precious about the possibility the club may have made a mistake in not trying to sign Gueye.

 

Dont take it so personally ffs! 

 

In that case, I think the club has made a mistake in not trying to sign Messi.

 

See how easy it is to criticise? It means sod all. We've got a very good squad, and the club hasn't made a mistake in not pursuing some random player. We have a very strong squad which is capable of top 6 (which is a reasonable target).

 

You could say that about anyone and the opinion wouldn't be more valid.

[NotTheMarketLeader]

14 hours ago, foxes21 said:

when will people shut the fuch up about gueye

 

amartey & mendy will be great for us, get behind them or FOAD

I get behind the team always at games. 

Doesnt mean I don't have an opinion on here concerning our players club,  or that I won't contradict views I think are bollox! 

[NotTheMarketLeader]

2 hours ago, EnglishOxide said:

In that case, I think the club has made a mistake in not trying to sign Messi.

 

See how easy it is to criticise? It means sod all. We've got a very good squad, and the club hasn't made a mistake in not pursuing some random player. We have a very strong squad which is capable of top 6 (which is a reasonable target).

 

You could say that about anyone and the opinion wouldn't be more valid.

Yes but I didn't say Messi which is hardly a fair comparison, and a poor attempt to rubbish my arguament I think.

 

We specifically are talking about a player who was available relatively cheaply, who was second only to NG last season in tackles and interceptions - skills which proved extremely useful to us, and that would be needed given Kante's exit.

 

I fail to see why questioning our not trying to sign Gueye giving his performance over a whole season, in this very league is such an outrageous matter for me to raise? 

[st albans fox]

Everton haven't really had a tough match yet.

 

lets revisit the stats after game 10

 

and more importantly, he is playing with a holding midfielder alongside him. It isn't the same role that he would be asked to play for us. apples and oranges. 

 

back to danny .........

 

if yanited really are interested then that would be a bummer as he would sure want to go back to his team whilst not wanting to leave us. would mess with his head big time. 

[lgfualol]

I've said it before but all the people bumming Gueye would have been pissed off if we signed him. Villa fans said he was shit despite the stats. He also plays in a 3, we don't.

[HankMarvin]

1 hour ago, lgfualol said:

I've said it before but all the people bumming Gueye would have been pissed off if we signed him. Villa fans said he was shit despite the stats. He also plays in a 3, we don't.

Tbf fair I think most players would've looked shit in that Villa team last year, regardless of talent, but as others have said its early days.

[NotTheMarketLeader]

11 hours ago, TheMightySystem said:

Sorry about that, was tired earlier and just a bit annoyed that people seem to be writing off Amartey as a first team player even though in my eyes he has looked like he belongs, I apologise though that I attacked you.

Its just people keep bringing him up even though he has gone Everton, no point in dwelling on the past imo.

I think in January we bought Gray, Amartey and try to buy Musa in case Vardy, Mahrez or Kante did leave, that way they will have had enough time to adapt to top flight English football. It appeared to be good that we did buy Amartey as I dont think he would be playing as well as he is atm if we bought him in the summer with less time with the squad.

 

Anyway im supprised the Henderson is above Drinkwater, maybe he is not as bad as I thought he was?

Fair enough.

 

re: Drinks V Hendo.

 

DD imo is a far better all round player. These are only 5 game figures but we should bear in mind that Hendo is playing in a team that is on fire on a good day, which is going to help him significantly with other team mates also on top of their game. Look at the the wins they have had - Arsenal away, Chelsea away, us at home. The teams they have beaten indicates they may be better than I thought I must admit.

 

Also our whole side have been totally shite in 2/5 games which is will have handicapped Drinks! 

[breadandcheese]

8 hours ago, Harry96 said:

Talk on Twitter of Utd being interested in Danny, mourinhos apparently a big fan. 

Nah, that's just typical Mourinho and his stupid games. Bit like Man U being linked with Jose Fonte days before they played Southampton at the start of the season. He just does it to destabilise and try and gain a slight advantage. 

 

It's another reason why Mourinho, despite his success, will never be thought of as a managerial great in the same way as Shankly, Ferguson, Lippi, etc.

[kingcarr21]

Looks like HankMarvin spelled Gueye wrong in the title thread. 

[Crinklyfox]

We've been successful in buying players with potential.  If we'd looked only at DD or Mahrez stats before buying them we probably wouldn't have bothered.  DD has good stats now but struggled when he first played in the PL and couldn't hold down a regular place.  Similarly JV struggled in his first season in the Championship.

 

If we do trust our scouting team then we won't always be buying the finished product with the best stats, but players who can develop, hopefully fairly quickly.

[foxfanazer]

Probably my favourite City player alongside Vardy. He really has been through it all here. He's been written off by the fans on more than one occasion and has had to form so many new partnerships in midfield. I wish he could add a few more goals to his game like he did in the championship but the job he is doing is incredible. What a fantastic signing he's been

[dave_the_fox]

Gueye doesn't play in a 442 he sits behind a 3 next to Gareth Barry so he has the licence to run about like a headless chicken why Barry mops up.

[NotTheMarketLeader]

15 hours ago, HankMarvin said:

Sorry, do we play with one player in the center of midfield? As Gueye is above in both the examples given and was recommended by our former head scout - then yes its someone we missed out on. Is it that too hard to get your head around?

Right on Hank

[los dedos]

7 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

Right on Hank

Hank and NotThe sitting in a

Tree watching Gueye down

Below having a pee!!!!

[crazyleicester]

9 hours ago, HankMarvin said:

 I highlighted the fact that he is topping the charts in tackling and interceptions and his passing stats are also ranked highly not sure wtf your going on about experts of the game crap??

 

Since when have statistics been an opinion??

 

I also said he was player we missed out on, which he is - as reported below, yet you seem so adamant that the club never wanted him, or was linked when in fact your talking about of your bum. 

From your rant above its seems like you are struggling to understand the concept of a Leicester Forum.

 

Don't ever look in the transfer forum, your brain would explode!!!

 

Idrissa Gueye cost Everton £7m and Leicester wanted him before they signed N'Golo Kante... has Steve Walsh unearthed another diamond?

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3787115/Idrissa-Gueye-cost-Everton-7m-Leicester-wanted-signed-N-Golo-Kante-Steve-Walsh-unearthed-diamond.html

 

 

Lets get real here. Its such lazy journalism to say that we wanted him because SW left and Everton bought someone. Does that mean we wanted Williams and Bolasie as well or is it some lazy journo "knowing" we sold Kante and that Everton bought Gueye from under our noses. To me that article you quote is nothing solid and I cant remember reading anywhere that we wanted him before Everton got him. A lot of us may have wanted him to come but that is totally different from the club actually showing an interest and not bidding on him.

 

IMO if the Champions of England, a fellow Midlands club and a Champion League club comes for a relegated player who has a buy-out clause then he comes to us ahead of Everton all day long. A similar thing happened with Zieler who had decent stats last season despite getting relegated and was wanted by a few clubs but he chose us. The point I am making is if we went for him early like we did Zieler and Hernandez when his clause was activated due to Villas relegation then we would have done the deal in late May or Early June. With all of that I cant see how we wanted him!!! We DIDNT make a move for him. Surely if we did the infamous "Sky sources" would have been all over it like a rash. How do we know that Silva and N`Zonzi who we were linked to strongly and allegedly bid on weren't SW/CR first and second choices (ahead of someone like Gueye) and we were waiting for them first? If we wanted him, he had a buy out clause and we would have had him for £7m. I think this is the bit you refuse to understand.

 

As for my comment on "experts" and the forum, yeah I get it. Forums are full of know it alls who turn into agents, tacticians, managers and even psychologists like they are in the players minds. I get that and I`ll know doubt be "playing manager" myselft, however, on a personal level regarding transfers, I`d like something a little more solid before I point an accusing finger at the club or manager like they did something wrong. I suppose the annoying thing about your post is that you are blaming the club for no reason. I get it regarding Gueye, he looks like a serious player and was cheap and maybe we should have made a move when you look at the stats and the transfer fee he was available for but I was also pissed off when Cantona left Leeds for United back in the day, I wish we bought Roy Keane for 50k from Ireland, bought Ian Wright on a free from non league before he went to Palace and bought Anelka from PSG for £500k instead of Arsenal. Im sure Mourinho is now looking at Gueye and thinking he would be perfect for their midfield. Maybe Wenger wishes he didnt spend nearly £40m on Xhaka as well and went for Gueye?!  

 

I suppose the thing that comes across as really strange and ironic is you start a thread and it seems like you are about to praise DD`s stats and then not say a single word about him and his performance but drop a line on how wonderful Gueye is. You should have started the thread "Who would you prefer Gueye or DD" instead as that would have made more sense!

[brucey]

I think people aren't arguing over whether or not we wanted him. We clearly didn't, or we would have gotten him. People are arguing over whether or not we SHOULD have wanted him.

[NotTheMarketLeader]

 

2 hours ago, brucey said:

I think people aren't arguing over whether or not we wanted him. We clearly didn't, or we would have gotten him. People are arguing over whether or not we SHOULD have wanted him.

Correct

 

And to further that arguament Steve Walsh has deemed him good enough to take to Everton. This is the very same bloke who every Tom, Dick and Harry lauds as being the best in the business, and was partly responsible for our triumph last season. Surely that very fact indicates we should have had crack with Gueye.

 

Or are the people arguing against this notion saying that now Walsh is at Everyon all of a sudden he's a t**t who doesn't know what he's doing?