Guest Col city fan Posted 12 October 2016 Posted 12 October 2016 1 minute ago, Countryfox said: Always liked Nige and will be forever thankful for the part he played in getting us where we are now ... when he went to fvckin Direby my heart sank ... but now he's gone ! due to a show of player (ego) power and a complete tool of a chairman. Happy days !! ... and now McLaren is coming back ... you couldn't make it up. Hope Nige gets sorted but think that without Walshy and Shakey he will never be the same again. Completely agree with this. The three were a formidable management team. They had each others backs and the players knew it. Similar with Clough and Taylor, although Taylor could be 'good cop', the players knew that of you took on one, you took on the other. Pearson rules by authority. That's his way. Authority over the team, over the dressing room, in some ways over a club. Even authority over the media. He makes it clear he'll take no shit from journalists, from radio presenters etc etc. You can't do this alone. One man ruling with authority don't work. You need a team of them.
MPH Posted 12 October 2016 Posted 12 October 2016 A clever chairmain of a struggling championship club would give nigel the job and then give him the time and space to do his job. He calls a reporter an Ostrich? Not the worst crime in the world is it?
lgfualol Posted 12 October 2016 Posted 12 October 2016 3 hours ago, MrSpaM said: Bloody hell their fans must be fuming! From Pearson to the Wally Ones I've seen are happy. He has 52% win percentage or some shit and they played good football under him.
Corky Posted 12 October 2016 Posted 12 October 2016 He did a good job originally but his last year in football (March 15 to March 16) has been a disaster. Might take time to recover from that.
Wymsey Posted 12 October 2016 Posted 12 October 2016 Shame someone can't hack into Morris's and Pearson's emails and text messages when they communicated with each other during Derby's struggle. Bet it'd be interesting to look at.
Fox92 Posted 12 October 2016 Posted 12 October 2016 5 hours ago, MrSpaM said: Bloody hell their fans must be fuming! From Pearson to the Wally He sorted them out last time. He guided them from near bottom to a play off final defeat in the same season. No reason why he can't do it again.
sphericalfox Posted 12 October 2016 Posted 12 October 2016 2 hours ago, Wymeswold fox said: McClaren has to be most overrated manager there is. Still studying at some Uni to do something. Found his course. Suits him. http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/news/university-launches-new-mickey-mouse-degree/
Donut Posted 12 October 2016 Posted 12 October 2016 10 hours ago, ealingfox said: Well I was responding to the number of posts in this thread saying that he is 'done' as a manager and that his career is over. Clearly it isn't. Not sure if you're on the wind-up with that 'can't handle a post' comment. Obviously you have to wait for a vacancy to come up, that's kind of how it works. Nobody walks into a club and demands the current manager be removed so they can be appointed in their place. We get it, you can't handle a post pointing out Pearson isn't a bad manager because of Derby, when you thought everyone would be clamouring to finally agree with you after all these years. Hence your little outburst. See, it's easy to spout childish nonsense isn't it? We never find out 90% of the job offers and preliminary discussions that happen between clubs and managers, so that's not a great point. Yes it is a speculative notion, because you haven't worked with him and have very little in first-hand reports from people who have. It might not be entirely speculative, but it is mostly speculative. You've even followed up your claim that it's not speculative with two bits of speculation I must have missed the season where a team built by Mick McCarthy or Paul Lambert won the title. If by "winning the title" you mean the Premier League, and youre using that as a point to say effectively Pearson was the major factor in the club winning the Premier League, thats just basically wrong. If youre referring to missing seasons where Mick McCarthy for example won the championship, then youre also wrong. He led Sunderland and Wolves to Championship titles, and then went on to manage more Premier League seasons. So on both counts unfortunately you are wrong. Once again, i did not say his career was finished. But you are directing the quote at me as if i AM saying his career is finished. I said that the job offers he receives going forward from here are a signal of how desirable he is as an employee. There was a vacancy at Villa. Its an international break, Pearson is available. They could have explored the possibility of bringing him in, but they havent. They could have held fire for a while, but decided to go with Bruce as their man. This is one illustration. I obviously dont know any more than you do how desirable a managerial candidate he will be. Neither one of us can say he is, or isnt good to work for, because no one has any evidence on either side of that debate. But this isnt about working FOR him, this is about him working FOR HIS employer, which is the chairman. Two sackings not helped by off field incidents havent helped his cause. Its not working FOR him that seems to be an issue....although the performances Derby were giving suggested no one was working particularly hard for him there. No clamour to get people to follow my opinion here. Ill give you a positive reputation point though for your use of the obligatory laugh out loud emoji.
ealingfox Posted 12 October 2016 Posted 12 October 2016 2 hours ago, Donut said: If by "winning the title" you mean the Premier League, and youre using that as a point to say effectively Pearson was the major factor in the club winning the Premier League, thats just basically wrong. If youre referring to missing seasons where Mick McCarthy for example won the championship, then youre also wrong. He led Sunderland and Wolves to Championship titles, and then went on to manage more Premier League seasons. So on both counts unfortunately you are wrong. Once again, i did not say his career was finished. But you are directing the quote at me as if i AM saying his career is finished. I said that the job offers he receives going forward from here are a signal of how desirable he is as an employee. There was a vacancy at Villa. Its an international break, Pearson is available. They could have explored the possibility of bringing him in, but they havent. They could have held fire for a while, but decided to go with Bruce as their man. This is one illustration. I obviously dont know any more than you do how desirable a managerial candidate he will be. Neither one of us can say he is, or isnt good to work for, because no one has any evidence on either side of that debate. But this isnt about working FOR him, this is about him working FOR HIS employer, which is the chairman. Two sackings not helped by off field incidents havent helped his cause. Its not working FOR him that seems to be an issue....although the performances Derby were giving suggested no one was working particularly hard for him there. No clamour to get people to follow my opinion here. Ill give you a positive reputation point though for your use of the obligatory laugh out loud emoji. It should have been pretty obvious I was referring to the top division title. THE major factor, no. A major factor, yes, and I struggle to see how anybody could deny that (unless they were totally bitter about Pearson being a success here of course). He and his backroom staff built a team that ended up winning the Premier League. Mick McCarthy hasn't done that. Paul Lambert hasn't done that. So I'm not wrong. I'm well aware McCarthy won the Championship, and I wasn't talking about that because it went without saying they'd both won it, otherwise the comparison wouldn't have gotten off the ground. So I'm not wrong there either. Pretty sure Pearson had talks with Villa before they appointed Di Matteo actually. One of the parties must have decided it wasn't for them, and you know what? We'll never know for sure which one it was. So he's probably not been considered for that job because they held ultimately fruitless discussions about it a few months ago, but there was clearly interest. You talked about him being difficult to work with, which would imply from either direction. Now you're sanding it down. And I can only point out that you have no idea what happened with him and our chairman. Though whilst nobody does, somebody well-placed to be reliably informed, Gary Lineker, suggested that the 'phantom sacking' was so because the vice-chairman sacked him, before the chairman reinstated him. That was in February. It's not the kind of thing you'd expect a chairman to do if Pearson was so difficult to work with. It's becoming increasingly clear that this Morris is a bit of a fruitcake, so one could be forgiven for taking that with a pinch of salt too. There's two sides to every story, and as far as I'm aware nobody knows both or even either one in this Derby episode.
Guest FriendlyRam Posted 12 October 2016 Posted 12 October 2016 I'm not shocked in the slighest at Morris's change of heart regarding McClaren tbh.. which tells its own story really 2013-14 was the most entertaining season I've had as a Derby fan since the Jim Smith seasons in the prem (well.. barring that 0-4 down in the opening 18 minutes against you lot, 4 headers I think?), so I'm hoping he can bring some fun back, even if we finish mid table but play some nice football I'll be happy. "how long does SM get then, 8 games, 10 games?, I'll go 11 games and he hires Clement back with Pearson as his assistant late December"... that made me chuckle though.
Donut Posted 12 October 2016 Posted 12 October 2016 6 minutes ago, ealingfox said: It should have been pretty obvious I was referring to the top division title. THE major factor, no. A major factor, yes, and I struggle to see how anybody could deny that (unless they were totally bitter about Pearson being a success here of course). He and his backroom staff built a team that ended up winning the Premier League. Mick McCarthy hasn't done that. Paul Lambert hasn't done that. So I'm not wrong. I'm well aware McCarthy won the Championship, and I wasn't talking about that because it went without saying they'd both won it, otherwise the comparison wouldn't have gotten off the ground. So I'm not wrong there either. Pretty sure Pearson had talks with Villa before they appointed Di Matteo actually. One of the parties must have decided it wasn't for them, and you know what? We'll never know for sure which one it was. So he's probably not been considered for that job because they held ultimately fruitless discussions about it a few months ago, but there was clearly interest. You talked about him being difficult to work with, which would imply from either direction. Now you're sanding it down. And I can only point out that you have no idea what happened with him and our chairman. Though whilst nobody does, somebody well-placed to be reliably informed, Gary Lineker, suggested that the 'phantom sacking' was so because the vice-chairman sacked him, before the chairman reinstated him. That was in February. It's not the kind of thing you'd expect a chairman to do if Pearson was so difficult to work with. It's becoming increasingly clear that this Morris is a bit of a fruitcake, so one could be forgiven for taking that with a pinch of salt too. There's two sides to every story, and as far as I'm aware nobody knows both or even either one in this Derby episode. You talk a lot of sense, i think its worth noting though that the talks with Pearson before Villa appointed Di Matteo were obviously BEFORE the Derby episode. His stock wont have risen off the back of Derby, but you could say that if anything his reputation was better at that time than after Derby. The phantom sacking is another interesting point, but there were obviously a collection of incidents inbetween the phantom sacking (if memory serves right, the McArthur strangling was the game the day before the phantom sacking?) and the actual sacking that must have prompted a change in thoughts from chairman and vice chairman because after the great escape, its extremely unlikely that football reasons alone were the reason. Its all just conjecture im aware of that. I dont deny for one second Morris is a fruitcake. Seems like a very un-nigel like relationship to have which kind of makes me wonder why he was at Derby anyway. Generous salary youd expect but maybe he overestimated the ability of the Derby squad or maybe Morris made promises he wouldnt keep on team affairs. Who knows. Hes certainly a better manager than some serial offenders who get jobs regularly anyway. But i dunno, just think his all round pricklyness is not helping him.
Richard Posted 13 October 2016 Posted 13 October 2016 NP with Shakespeare and Walsh would get Derby or Villa up in the next 2 seasons. NP without Shakespeare and Walsh.. Who knows.
Manwell Pablo Posted 13 October 2016 Posted 13 October 2016 Apparently, so I've been told by some relatively well informed Derby fans, 7 players went to Morris and stated in no uncertain terms they were not playing for Pearson ever again. This is why he was suspended when he was (so they could get a team out) and the bust up happened after. Allegedly could all be rubbish obviously. I think it's safe to say it's probably the right thing for both parties, clearly Nigel's authoritarian style of management isn't working there, fans don't like him, players don't like him, time to move on as it's pretty hard to turn things around when everyone is against you.
Soar Fox Posted 13 October 2016 Posted 13 October 2016 17 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said: Apparently, so I've been told by some relatively well informed Derby fans, 7 players went to Morris and stated in no uncertain terms they were not playing for Pearson ever again. This is why he was suspended when he was (so they could get a team out) and the bust up happened after. Allegedly could all be rubbish obviously. I think it's safe to say it's probably the right thing for both parties, clearly Nigel's authoritarian style of management isn't working there, fans don't like him, players don't like him, time to move on as it's pretty hard to turn things around when everyone is against you. If Morris had any bollòcks he would be telling the players to get on with it or chuck them in the reserves for a few months. It's more than likely players that have been there for a while so the same players that have failed for the club for the past 2/3 years.
Manwell Pablo Posted 13 October 2016 Posted 13 October 2016 3 minutes ago, Steve_Walsh5 said: If Morris had any bollòcks he would be telling the players to get on with it or chuck them in the reserves for a few months. It's more than likely players that have been there for a while so the same players that have failed for the club for the past 2/3 years. Not gonna do that are you. They were already struggling, chuck 7 first team players in the bin for your manager your in serious trouble, that's if it was true. Although I'm not entirely convinced suspending Pearson with immediate effect is something he'd of done just because the players told him to, probably the straw that broke the camels back. Although tbf who knows he is a loon.
kingcarr21 Posted 13 October 2016 Posted 13 October 2016 9 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said: Not gonna do that are you. They were already struggling, chuck 7 first team players in the bin for your manager your in serious trouble, that's if it was true. Although I'm not entirely convinced suspending Pearson with immediate effect is something he'd of done just because the players told him to, probably the straw that broke the camels back. Although tbf who knows he is a loon. I gave you a +1 for your signature . Sorry Col
ajthefox Posted 13 October 2016 Posted 13 October 2016 Christ almighty. Can't believe the guy has hired Mclaren again. Morris is clearly hot headed, you can bet this will end in tears.
Manwell Pablo Posted 13 October 2016 Posted 13 October 2016 1 minute ago, kingcarr21 said: I gave you a +1 for your signature . Sorry Col Been there ages I've actually been looking for something to replace it with. Unfortunately apart from Grewkes Donkeys have four legs commet which very nearly replaced it, nothing's really got close so far amusement wise.
Soar Fox Posted 13 October 2016 Posted 13 October 2016 Just now, Manwell Pablo said: Not gonna do that are you. They were already struggling, chuck 7 first team players in the bin for your manager your in serious trouble, that's if it was true. Although I'm not entirely convinced suspending Pearson with immediate effect is something he'd of done just because the players told him to, probably the straw that broke the camels back. Although tbf who knows he is a loon. Player power at club that has failed for a few seasons is ridiculous. But like you said probably the last straw for the chairman and easier to get rid of the manager than players. Apart league position it's exactly the sort of situation he came into here second time round. It took a lot of rebuilding & it didn't happen overnight but he got rid off the bad apples.
Manwell Pablo Posted 13 October 2016 Posted 13 October 2016 1 minute ago, Steve_Walsh5 said: Player power at club that has failed for a few seasons is ridiculous. But like you said probably the last straw for the chairman and easier to get rid of the manager than players. Apart league position it's exactly the sort of situation he came into here second time round. It took a lot of rebuilding & it didn't happen overnight but he got rid off the bad apples. The problem at Derby compared to here is I think there are probably a lot more "bad apples"....or what Pearson would perceive as bad apples anyway, and they've ganged up on him.
CosbehFox Posted 13 October 2016 Posted 13 October 2016 14 hours ago, ealingfox said: It should have been pretty obvious I was referring to the top division title. THE major factor, no. A major factor, yes, and I struggle to see how anybody could deny that (unless they were totally bitter about Pearson being a success here of course). Pretty sure Pearson had talks with Villa before they appointed Di Matteo actually. One of the parties must have decided it wasn't for them, and you know what? We'll never know for sure which one it was. So he's probably not been considered for that job because they held ultimately fruitless discussions about it a few months ago, but there was clearly interest. Anyone what denies he was one of a few major reasons why we won the league needs their head testing. Nigel, like or not, was the architect of the infrastructure that the first team squad are based on now. Pearson admitted he had talks with Villa but then it went quiet. Villa was a better suited job because he would have had chance to remould the squad and rebuild the club. Derby need 2/3 players with experience of winning promotion and rebuilding the confidence of the existing squad. 55 minutes ago, Richard said: NP with Shakespeare and Walsh would get Derby or Villa up in the next 2 seasons. NP without Shakespeare and Walsh.. Who knows. Incredibly hard to say off just a few number of games. For me, I think the past three and half years have proved there's something missing from that Derby team. Bottle, experience, general will - you don't fail that many times without there being something wrong with the squad. It might be interesting for some but I spoke to a Carlisle fan yesterday who compared their current manager Keith Curle to Nigel Pearson. He said Pearson in the North East (I know it's not Carlisle but there's a decent cross over with the fans) is generally appreciated after his time at Boro and Newcastle. His personality up there again would be well received because of his hatred of the media (which you'll find in the North is very common because of the North v South/London divide) and there's a desire to see their teams play with effort. He'd be appreciated for one of the clubs in that region for what this bloke was saying.
Wymsey Posted 13 October 2016 Posted 13 October 2016 Seems that Hull are taking their time for a new boss. Give them a call, Nigel, as you'd get a well-regarded assistant in Phelan already there!
CosbehFox Posted 13 October 2016 Posted 13 October 2016 1 minute ago, Wymeswold fox said: Seems that Hull are taking their time for a new boss. Give them a call, Nigel, as you'd get a well-regarded assistant in Phelan already there! You do realise how Hull fans literally hate Pearson and he p**sed off the owners family when he left.
Soar Fox Posted 13 October 2016 Posted 13 October 2016 2 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said: The problem at Derby compared to here is I think there are probably a lot more "bad apples"....or what Pearson would perceive as bad apples anyway, and they've ganged up on him. Yeah true, I also forget he hadn't been away from Leicester City that long so still had players there from his previous spell. Wellens, King, Dyer, Waghorn, Gallagher etc all player he had signed.
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