Donut Posted 11 October 2016 Posted 11 October 2016 4 minutes ago, ealingfox said: We get it. You think he's a shit manager. You're bitter that he was an outstanding success with us. We get that too. Just let it go. My point was that people are mental for thinking his managerial career is over and he'll never be offered a job again. Which they are. There's also no way he's the only manager who anyone's ever thought to have been difficult to work with. That's also a subjective and speculative notion which still doesn't stack up against his track record. McCarthy and Lambert haven't struggled to find work after failures. What point are you trying to make in response to mine? We get it, you couldnt handle a post that said he would have to wait and see what opportunities became available. Almost like Pearson is part of your family and somehow you feel personally offended, hence your little outburst. I did predict the usual suspects would shout loudest and they didnt disappoint. Did i say he wouldnt be offered another job? I said that we would wait and see what jobs he was offered, and that would be a measure of how desirable he is to clubs. He might walk straight into another championship vacancy when one comes up, and if he does, fair play. I wouldnt say that him being difficult to work with is a speculative notion, considering he certainly didnt leave Leicester for footballing reasons because the club were on the up. And at Derby, its widely reported that he had a bust up with the chairman. Probably not the wisest fight to pick, with the person that employs you, and particularly not when youre managing his club badly. The Mick McCarthy and Paul Lambert point is referring to the way you are overplaying his managerial qualities, when the reality is, he hasnt achieved any more than a host of other managers at championship level. Some he has achieved less. So my own opinion is, chairmen are no more likely to "give a left bollock" for a manager who has no significantly better record than a series of other managers, particularly in light of leaving jobs in acrimonious circumstances. The only way to tell is to wait and see which is what i said at the beginning, before you got extremely defensive.
Dan Posted 11 October 2016 Posted 11 October 2016 I've always thought Pearson's a lot more about what happens on the pitch in footballing terms. What he did for our dressing room was unbelievable. He had this ability to identify a player who'd stop at nothing for success. Ranieri takes the bulk of the credit but Pearson got the ball rolling with the squad he largely assembled. Lambert and McCarthy could never do that.
Donut Posted 11 October 2016 Posted 11 October 2016 3 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said: I've always thought Pearson's a lot more about what happens on the pitch in footballing terms. What he did for our dressing room was unbelievable. He had this ability to identify a player who'd stop at nothing for success. Ranieri takes the bulk of the credit but Pearson got the ball rolling with the squad he largely assembled. Lambert and McCarthy could never do that. Thats a good shout. Id agree that Pearson is a more inspiring character than Lamber or McCarthy. He might get loads of job offers, theres going to be managerial sackings around the leagues, it just depends on how the clubs view him. Theres a vacancy at Aston Villa for example. Villa pursued Steve Bruce with a number of meetings to land him (we think itll be done very shortly). If Aston Villa rated Pearson that highly for example, theyd be making big moves to get him in. But they didnt. We can talk about him being the best manager since sliced bread all we want on here. Its the offers he gets from other clubs that show how desirable he is.
Dan Posted 11 October 2016 Posted 11 October 2016 10 minutes ago, Donut said: Thats a good shout. Id agree that Pearson is a more inspiring character than Lamber or McCarthy. He might get loads of job offers, theres going to be managerial sackings around the leagues, it just depends on how the clubs view him. Theres a vacancy at Aston Villa for example. Villa pursued Steve Bruce with a number of meetings to land him (we think itll be done very shortly). If Aston Villa rated Pearson that highly for example, theyd be making big moves to get him in. But they didnt. We can talk about him being the best manager since sliced bread all we want on here. Its the offers he gets from other clubs that show how desirable he is. I think he lays excellent foundations and I find that important personally, but I will concede after months, arguably years of defending it, that he's got to change certain elements of his behaviour. I think Villa need a Pearson in the sense they need someone to come in and really weed the poison out of the club, but after how Derby's gone they're going to view it as a lot more risky. I think it could've been different for him if he'd ended up there. I think there are problems behind the scenes at Derby but they could at least boast having a decent record in the league. Villa on the flip side have won 4 of their last 51, which is the kind of record I'd expect of someone like Malta. I think despite Villa's fans, if he was seen to be weeding out the shit, there would be more sympathy with what he was trying to achieve. It's why I defended him through a lot of the 2011/12 season. No on pitch miracle, but I saw strides being taken to improve us in the long-term, and 4 years later I sit here feeling I was right to.
ealingfox Posted 12 October 2016 Posted 12 October 2016 8 hours ago, Donut said: We get it, you couldnt handle a post that said he would have to wait and see what opportunities became available. Almost like Pearson is part of your family and somehow you feel personally offended, hence your little outburst. I did predict the usual suspects would shout loudest and they didnt disappoint. Did i say he wouldnt be offered another job? I said that we would wait and see what jobs he was offered, and that would be a measure of how desirable he is to clubs. He might walk straight into another championship vacancy when one comes up, and if he does, fair play. I wouldnt say that him being difficult to work with is a speculative notion, considering he certainly didnt leave Leicester for footballing reasons because the club were on the up. And at Derby, its widely reported that he had a bust up with the chairman. Probably not the wisest fight to pick, with the person that employs you, and particularly not when youre managing his club badly. The Mick McCarthy and Paul Lambert point is referring to the way you are overplaying his managerial qualities, when the reality is, he hasnt achieved any more than a host of other managers at championship level. Some he has achieved less. So my own opinion is, chairmen are no more likely to "give a left bollock" for a manager who has no significantly better record than a series of other managers, particularly in light of leaving jobs in acrimonious circumstances. The only way to tell is to wait and see which is what i said at the beginning, before you got extremely defensive. Well I was responding to the number of posts in this thread saying that he is 'done' as a manager and that his career is over. Clearly it isn't. Not sure if you're on the wind-up with that 'can't handle a post' comment. Obviously you have to wait for a vacancy to come up, that's kind of how it works. Nobody walks into a club and demands the current manager be removed so they can be appointed in their place. We get it, you can't handle a post pointing out Pearson isn't a bad manager because of Derby, when you thought everyone would be clamouring to finally agree with you after all these years. Hence your little outburst. See, it's easy to spout childish nonsense isn't it? We never find out 90% of the job offers and preliminary discussions that happen between clubs and managers, so that's not a great point. Yes it is a speculative notion, because you haven't worked with him and have very little in first-hand reports from people who have. It might not be entirely speculative, but it is mostly speculative. You've even followed up your claim that it's not speculative with two bits of speculation I must have missed the season where a team built by Mick McCarthy or Paul Lambert won the title.
MrSpaM Posted 12 October 2016 Posted 12 October 2016 Bloody hell their fans must be fuming! From Pearson to the Wally
MPH Posted 12 October 2016 Posted 12 October 2016 19 hours ago, foxinsocks said: He is and was defensive and never took criticism well. This is coz he lacks self confidence. It started to materialise in the form of prickliness with jounalists asking reasonable questions on behalf of paying fans who never had the chance to ask such. Then the bizarre incidents... i would guess that there were more behind the scenes. Upon going for a new job he would need to show he had learnt lessons and becone a better manager as a result. ... i think the derby situation shows he has not learnt and continues to be hard to manage. Which chairman would hire him if he cant show he has changed? Personnally i think his judgement of hard working players was good. His ability to tactically switch things was poor.... but it's his defensiveness and the resulting problems that make him an unattractive hire I don't know where he can go now COVENTRY
Wymsey Posted 12 October 2016 Posted 12 October 2016 Certain people moan that some owners don't have background understanding of clubs and what has happened in the past. If Mel Morris gets Steve to return, it's really going to boil some loyal fan's blood. They're starting to get bad as Leeds.
urban.spaceman Posted 12 October 2016 Posted 12 October 2016 Imagine finally sacking Steve McClaren after a dreadful end to the season resulting in finishing outside the play-offs, then hiring Real Madrid's assistant manager who went on to win 10 out of his first 20 matches, sacking him when you're 16 games from the end of the season and still only 6 points off the top spot and still in the play-offs, hiring Nigel Pearson in the summer whose record with your local rivals speaks for itself, giving him just 11 games before you decide to spy on his training sessions with drones and basically undermine him at every opportunity - sacking him AND THEN RE-HIRING STEVE F*&^%$ING MCCLAREN!!!!!!!! Can't stop laughing.
Wymsey Posted 12 October 2016 Posted 12 October 2016 100/1 to be next England manager, according to Skybet. http://www.thesackrace.com/managers/nigel-pearson
kingcarr21 Posted 12 October 2016 Posted 12 October 2016 Derby fans are delighted to be getting him back
AKCJ Posted 12 October 2016 Posted 12 October 2016 15 hours ago, ealingfox said: We get it. You think he's a shit manager. You're bitter that he was an outstanding success with us. We get that too. Just let it go. My point was that people are mental for thinking his managerial career is over and he'll never be offered a job again. Which they are. There's also no way he's the only manager who anyone's ever thought to have been difficult to work with. That's also a subjective and speculative notion which still doesn't stack up against his track record. McCarthy and Lambert haven't struggled to find work after failures. What point are you trying to make in response to mine? Oh bloody hell, don't quote him! He'll start PMing you with stuff like "I wish you died". Donut is a sad man who couldn't appreciate one of the best managers we've ever had. I'm willing to bet that he was the one who was told to **** off and die. Either that or he was the Thai ladyboy.
Guest Col city fan Posted 12 October 2016 Posted 12 October 2016 Is this Pearson's stock falling to an all time low? Imagine being let go 'by mutual consent' (sacked) to be replaced by Shteeeeeevey Wally! It's time to do an ostrich Nigel, and quick...
GaelicFox Posted 12 October 2016 Posted 12 October 2016 17 hours ago, ealingfox said: Do people genuinely think there aren't still Chairmen in the Championship who would give their left bollock to get him in? Because if you do you are mental. He might have to lower his wage demands but this is his first real failure. Managerial careers don't go out the window because of one bad job. That's a piss take right? Sarcasim? Virtually uuntouchable at this stage
GaelicFox Posted 12 October 2016 Posted 12 October 2016 1 hour ago, urban.spaceman said: Imagine finally sacking Steve McClaren after a dreadful end to the season resulting in finishing outside the play-offs, then hiring Real Madrid's assistant manager who went on to win 10 out of his first 20 matches, sacking him when you're 16 games from the end of the season and still only 6 points off the top spot and still in the play-offs, hiring Nigel Pearson in the summer whose record with your local rivals speaks for itself, giving him just 11 games before you decide to spy on his training sessions with drones and basically undermine him at every opportunity - sacking him AND THEN RE-HIRING STEVE F*&^%$ING MCCLAREN!!!!!!!! Can't stop laughing. This seems to be standard in the Lower 3 leagues in England the average length of employment is crazy and the behaviour of some of these chairmen is psychotic at best pure madness
Guest Col city fan Posted 12 October 2016 Posted 12 October 2016 16 hours ago, ealingfox said: We get it. You think he's a shit manager. You're bitter that he was an outstanding success with us. We get that too. Just let it go. My point was that people are mental for thinking his managerial career is over and he'll never be offered a job again. Which they are. There's also no way he's the only manager who anyone's ever thought to have been difficult to work with. That's also a subjective and speculative notion which still doesn't stack up against his track record. McCarthy and Lambert haven't struggled to find work after failures. What point are you trying to make in response to mine? I recall near the start of the Pearson Premiership season, weren't you a complete pessimist saying we'd go down after about five games in or something? Or did I misread? Now Nigel Pearson to you is basically sliced bread? I agree with Gaelic. Which chairmen given all the nonsense we saw at City and now Derby is going to be welcoming Pearson in with open arms? He'll get work elsewhere but it won't be without an air of trepidation on the part of the recruiting chairman.
Buce Posted 12 October 2016 Posted 12 October 2016 Steve McLaren returns as manager: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/oct/12/steve-mcclaren-set-for-shock-derby-county-return-manager
AKCJ Posted 12 October 2016 Posted 12 October 2016 8 minutes ago, Col city fan said: I recall near the start of the Pearson Premiership season, weren't you a complete pessimist saying we'd go down after about five games in or something? Or did I misread? Now Nigel Pearson to you is basically sliced bread? I agree with Gaelic. Which chairmen given all the nonsense we saw at City and now Derby is going to be welcoming Pearson in with open arms? He'll get work elsewhere but it won't be without an air of trepidation on the part of the recruiting chairman. Look at all the chairmen that league and then look at why they're chairmen. Chairmen want promotion at all costs. Nigel gives you that, provided you're willing to let him do his job.
Wymsey Posted 12 October 2016 Posted 12 October 2016 McClaren has to be most overrated manager there is. Still studying at some Uni to do something.
ARTY_FOX Posted 12 October 2016 Posted 12 October 2016 Pearson isn't untouchable Any chairman with any actual ambition will get him in, give him time and back him all the way to the prem. If you want instant success and relegation a year later then don't hire him.
Countryfox Posted 12 October 2016 Posted 12 October 2016 Always liked Nige and will be forever thankful for the part he played in getting us where we are now ... when he went to fvckin Direby my heart sank ... but now he's gone ! due to a show of player (ego) power and a complete tool of a chairman. Happy days !! ... and now McLaren is coming back ... you couldn't make it up. Hope Nige gets sorted but think that without Walshy and Shakey he will never be the same again.
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