orangecity23 Posted 17 December 2016 Share Posted 17 December 2016 There's a general problem with the laws of the game containing a load of wishy washy, vague language that leads to a load of inconsistent and unpredictable refereeing decisions, especially in the hands of the the poorer officials (Pawson, Moss, Madley et al). If the laws clearly set out what was and wasn't allowed, we wouldn't have these arguments. We could have it set out that jumping tackles or two footed tackles are not allowed, but no, we get a load of guff about "excessive" force (62 Newtons on that tackle mate, I'm afraid anything over 48.26 is excessive), that is subjective and falls down to some sort of instinctive feeling based judgement call by the official. Handball rubbish about "Unnatural positions", all the gubbins about whether people are interfering or not on offsides. Keep it simple, keep it clear, and use technology to prevent mistakes. I want to see replays of goals and great play in highlights, not a load of old washed up players, refs and dickheads on twitter spending all Saturday night watching endless replays of some incident like it's the flipping JFK shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez of Mahrez Posted 17 December 2016 Share Posted 17 December 2016 Just now, cityfanlee23 said: See i don't think that should ever come into it, it's another game for another team. I saw people saying "Vardy shouldnt get sent off if Rojo didn't" That logic is completely flawed, what about next week when the same thing happens and other fans are saying "Rojo and vardy didnt get sent off so neither can x" Eventually it ends in a leg breaker. I'd like to see the FA fine referees for having poor consistency, but to see other members suggesting the ref was trying to balance the books by sending Vardy off is a pretty big claim with no evidence to back it. I think it's time for football to adopt rugby style "experts" to watch the replay back and feedback the ref if he is not 100% to save mistakes, every time there is a challenge like that, the tacklers fans want him to stay on, the tackled players fans want the player off, and the ref can never win, thats unnecessary pressure with todays technology. You don't think the Rojo tackles were a factor in him giving the red today? You'll never get 100% consistency and no two incidents are exactly the same but I think refs are generally too quick to send players off these days, especially the likes of Moss, Pawson and Madley. I'd prefer to see 22 players kept on the pitch unless something pretty bad happens. Good refs give a warning and calm these things down. Bad refs go straight for the red card and create more trouble than the initial situation merited. It was the same with Vardy v West Ham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted 17 December 2016 Share Posted 17 December 2016 23 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said: I won't be talking about it further 11 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said: See i don't think that should ever come into it, it's another game for another team. I saw people saying "Vardy shouldnt get sent off if Rojo didn't" That logic is completely flawed, what about next week when the same thing happens and other fans are saying "Rojo and vardy didnt get sent off so neither can x" Eventually it ends in a leg breaker. I'd like to see the FA fine referees for having poor consistency, but to see other members suggesting the ref was trying to balance the books by sending Vardy off is a pretty big claim with no evidence to back it. I think it's time for football to adopt rugby style "experts" to watch the replay back and feedback the ref if he is not 100% to save mistakes, every time there is a challenge like that, the tacklers fans want him to stay on, the tackled players fans want the player off, and the ref can never win, thats unnecessary pressure with todays technology. You can't help yourself mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityfanlee23 Posted 17 December 2016 Share Posted 17 December 2016 Just now, Izzy Muzzett said: You can't help yourself mate! The discussion as about Rojo and consistency, not Vardy's card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donut Posted 17 December 2016 Share Posted 17 December 2016 I dont think, after seeing this back a few times, that this was a red card. In real time, i did think it was a red card. But i think a player has to understand that if he makes a challenge like that, where there is a jumping, lunging element to it, there is a risk the referee will send you off, especially if the tackle is preceeded by running at speed towards the opponent. Players need to be smarter than this. Thats my opinion. Even though for me it is NOT a red, a player has to show more intelligence than to put himself in that situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendal Fox Posted 17 December 2016 Share Posted 17 December 2016 Can someone explain to me how, in March this year, Southampton - the team with the most red cards in the PL last season - managed to get Sadio Mane's straight red rescinded? It was an aerial clash in which he missed the ball. Anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan LCFC Posted 17 December 2016 Share Posted 17 December 2016 Absolutely ****ing no chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limeydale Posted 17 December 2016 Share Posted 17 December 2016 No, no,no,no,no LANGUAGE TRANSLATION AFRIKAANS nee ALBANIAN jo ALSATIAN naï ARABIC laa ARMENIAN votch AZERI xeyir BASQUE ez BELARUSIAN Не (nie) BENGALI na BOBO aïlle BOSNIAN ne BRETON nann BULGARIAN né BURMESE ma hoke phu / hmar te CATALAN no CHEROKEE tla / hla CHINESE pù shi CORSICAN nò CZECH ne CROATIAN ne DANISH nej DUTCH nee ENGLISH no ESPERANTO ne ESTONIAN ei FAROESE nei FINNISH ei FRENCH non FRISIAN nee FRIULAN no GALICIAN non GALLO nanni GEORGIAN ara GERMAN nein GREEK ohi GUARANÍ nahániri HAITIAN CREOLE non HAWAIIAN ʻaole HEBREW lo HINDI nahin HUNGARIAN nem ICELANDIC nei IGBO mba INDONESIAN tidak ITALIAN no JAPANESE iié KABYLIAN ala KHMER thay KINYARWANDA oya KOREAN ahneo KURDISH no / na LAO bo LATIN minime (not at all), non (and repetition of the verb) LATVIAN nē LIGURIAN no LINGALA te LITHUANIAN ne LOW SAXON nee LUXEMBOURGEOIS neen MACEDONIAN не (ne) MALAGASY tsia MALAY tidak MALTESE le MAORI kaore MONGOLIAN ugui (Yгvй) NORMAN nennin / nenn NORWEGIAN nei OCCITAN non OLD NORSE nei OSSETIAN нæй PAPIAMENTU no PERSIAN kheyr / na POLISH nie PORTUGUESE não ROMANI na ROMANIAN nu RUSSIAN Нет (niet) SARDINIAN no SCOTTISH GAELIC ag SERBIAN ne SHONA aiwa SINDHI na SINHALA nae SLOVAK nie SLOVENIAN ne SOBOTA ne SONINKE aï SPANISH no SWAHILI siyo / hapana SWEDISH nej TAGALOG hindi (po) TAHITIAN aita TAMAZIGHT lla TAMIL illaï TATAR yuk TELUGU kadhu THAI ไม่ (maï) / ไม่ใช่ (maï chaï) TURKISH hayir UDMURT oevoel (with nouns) / ug (with verbs) UKRAINIAN Ні (ni) URDU نهين (nahin) WALOON ("betchfessîs" spelling) neni WELSH nage WEST INDIAN CREOLE awa WOLOF déedéet YIDDISH nein YORUBA rara ZULU cha No matter how you say it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 17 December 2016 Share Posted 17 December 2016 1 hour ago, Costock_Fox said: Does he even touch the player? It's a terrible decision, Craig Pawson is a **** and no one will be able to convince me otherwise That said all of the above helped to make the equaliser so special. Bruises everywhere. You can think want re the red card its one of those tackles that's going to generate 1000 opinions. but you attempt to tackle with two feet its a foul at least that's all I'm saying, miss the ball, miss the man, you'll get blown up for it. Totally illegal to even attempt it. Agreed second part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ttfn Posted 17 December 2016 Share Posted 17 December 2016 39 minutes ago, Fez of Mahrez said: You don't think the Rojo tackles were a factor in him giving the red today? You'll never get 100% consistency and no two incidents are exactly the same but I think refs are generally too quick to send players off these days, especially the likes of Moss, Pawson and Madley. I'd prefer to see 22 players kept on the pitch unless something pretty bad happens. Good refs give a warning and calm these things down. Bad refs go straight for the red card and create more trouble than the initial situation merited. It was the same with Vardy v West Ham. The Rojo incident on Wednesday is 100% why Vardy got sent off today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ttfn Posted 17 December 2016 Share Posted 17 December 2016 Pawson is a disgrace. Anybody with eyes knows that he, Moss and Madley shouldn't be anywhere near top flight football. It's a shame because the likes of Clattenburg, Oliver and Taylor are actually decent refs and we've got about 5 or 6 competent ones for the first time in living memory. Sadly the 3 aforementioned are so bad they bring the others into disrepute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurphyMagic Posted 17 December 2016 Share Posted 17 December 2016 never a red card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 17 December 2016 Share Posted 17 December 2016 1 hour ago, Chico1958 said: Excellent, a blast from the past................... Preference Sabbath but early Purple close Shouldn't this be on the Music thread though ? Thanks for the memories New album in April would you believe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 17 December 2016 Share Posted 17 December 2016 8 minutes ago, ttfn said: The Rojo incident on Wednesday is 100% why Vardy got sent off today. Played a part that's for sure. The more I see it there more I think that has to be intent from the player committing the foul to hurt the opposition player and I think there is zero intent from vardy to hurt anyone he was just shoved off balance and the tackle was a direct result of it. still, I don't envy the position he was in, especially after weds, but then I guess that's a bed he's made for himself to lie in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted 17 December 2016 Share Posted 17 December 2016 I'm yet to see a replay, I'm waiting for MOTD but I didn't think so, I thought it was actually a foul on us, so for him to give the freekick their way and send Vardy off I was fuming. I'll be honest when I see the replay but from what I saw in the moment, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetintedspecs Posted 17 December 2016 Share Posted 17 December 2016 Never a red in a million years, I cannot believe anyone thinks it is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Oxlong Posted 17 December 2016 Share Posted 17 December 2016 I think Pawson gave it because he was bullied at school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ttfn Posted 17 December 2016 Share Posted 17 December 2016 12 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said: Played a part that's for sure. The more I see it there more I think that has to be intent from the player committing the foul to hurt the opposition player and I think there is zero intent from vardy to hurt anyone he was just shoved off balance and the tackle was a direct result of it. still, I don't envy the position he was in, especially after weds, but then I guess that's a bed he's made for himself to lie in. Exactly and we're suffering for his incompetence. Vardy's tackle isn't dangerous as soon as he gets the ball (a good foot in front of Diouf). At that point his weight is transferred into the turf rather than the recipient of the tackle. Im not totally sure it's a foul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costock_Fox Posted 17 December 2016 Share Posted 17 December 2016 30 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said: You can think want re the red card its one of those tackles that's going to generate 1000 opinions. but you attempt to tackle with two feet its a foul at least that's all I'm saying, miss the ball, miss the man, you'll get blown up for it. Totally illegal to even attempt it. Agreed second part. Ok, it was just about a foul il give you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Eatfood Posted 17 December 2016 Share Posted 17 December 2016 4 hours ago, buzzer_b said: That first one is horrendous. Deffo should be banned for that! They're both horrendous and extremely cowardly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend_in_blue Posted 17 December 2016 Share Posted 17 December 2016 The problem with it is how players potentially react when confronted with a poor referee for the game. We all know the guy is a plank and yet our players are naive enough to play right into his hands to allow him to make rash decisions. We shouldn't have to be in a position where we have to play the referee, as well as the opposition, but until these incompetent referees are helped out with technology I don't see a way forward other than crossing fingers and hoping it doesn't happen again. We seem to end up with at least one a season just like Moss from last season and in the end other teams in the league have it just the same. Unfortunately for us though, that game was today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costock_Fox Posted 17 December 2016 Share Posted 17 December 2016 1 minute ago, Legend_in_blue said: The problem with it is how players potentially react when confronted with a poor referee for the game. We all know the guy is a plank and yet our players are naive enough to play right into his hands Have you ever played in a football match when the ref is clearly incompetent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facecloth Posted 17 December 2016 Share Posted 17 December 2016 22 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said: Played a part that's for sure. The more I see it there more I think that has to be intent from the player committing the foul to hurt the opposition player and I think there is zero intent from vardy to hurt anyone he was just shoved off balance and the tackle was a direct result of it. still, I don't envy the position he was in, especially after weds, but then I guess that's a bed he's made for himself to lie in. The Rojo incident was talked about a lot. He ****ed up and it got a lot of coverage. He should have been stood down to 4th official, or moved down a league out of the premier league limelight. He made his bed, but the fa didn't have to make him lie in it. Once they gave him a game, it was obvious that if something like this happened he was going to be put in an impossible position, judge it for what it is, or go hard to make up for the mistake midweek. He doesn't want to be seen to be making the same mistake twice so quickly, so anything looking remotely dodgy he was going to jump on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerakin Posted 17 December 2016 Share Posted 17 December 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvisfmcfly Posted 17 December 2016 Share Posted 17 December 2016 2 feet left the ground for a tackle whether he got the ball or not is irrelevant,same as Matt Mills a few years ago against Birmingham I think.you can't go in for tackles like that anymore and everybody knows it,if it was a stoke player on one of ours you would want a red and anyone saying other wise is lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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