Guest MattP Posted 4 June 2019 Share Posted 4 June 2019 18 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said: Why the hell they didn't announce that in the first place, I don't know. Would have been a perfectly respectable stance - finding a state visit inappropriate but proposing a business meeting Though, given they're never going to agree on anything (apart from a common liking for national solutions), he might as well have gone to the banquet, had a quick word, then given a press conference. Further comedy news...... Change UK has split. 6 of its 11 MPs, including Umunna & Allen, have left - apparently destined for the Lib Dems at some point. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/04/change-uk-poised-to-lose-at-least-half-its-mps-heidi-allen-chuka-umunna-lib-dems They probably didn't expect Trump to out them live on TV so just do nothing, the operation around the leader reminds me of 18-30 club reps, pride yourself on being loved by your own clients for your unprofessionalism. As for ChangeUK, just completely ridiculous. No wonder they want the EU to run everything, I'd probably want that as well if people like this were actually in charge of anything I cared about. Why would the Lib Dems touch them? Is it really worth the risk? These people are clearly utterly shameless and are now jumping ship just to try and get re-elected under the Lib Dem banner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 4 June 2019 Share Posted 4 June 2019 33 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Interesting graph in that article...almost as if the downward trend began in 2011 and simply kept going. In any case, seeing as there are still people still unemployed I will keep using "some" people as opposed to "all" or even "most" as it's accurate, thank you very much. Additionally, as above: as if economics is the sole arbiter of political success, or even close to simply the most important. I wouldn't mind hearing where he's had success in other areas...if any. Not being hell-bent on starting or continuing wars abroad would be a bigger plus in my books (although we can't see into the future, Iran and Venezuela two ideal candidates... ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 4 June 2019 Share Posted 4 June 2019 2 hours ago, MC Prussian said: Don't forget Tito. And to an extent Salazar in Portugal, although the country was neutral during WWII. So was Spain no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 4 June 2019 Share Posted 4 June 2019 9 minutes ago, MattP said: They probably didn't expect Trump to out them live on TV so just do nothing, the operation around the leader reminds me of 18-30 club reps, pride yourself on being loved by your own clients for your unprofessionalism. As for ChangeUK, just completely ridiculous. No wonder they want the EU to run everything, I'd probably want that as well if people like this were actually in charge of anything I cared about. Why would the Lib Dems touch them? Is it really worth the risk? These people are clearly utterly shameless and are now jumping ship just to try and get re-elected under the Lib Dem banner. Lib Dems have hardly any MPs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 4 June 2019 Share Posted 4 June 2019 13 minutes ago, MC Prussian said: Not being hell-bent on starting or continuing wars abroad would be a bigger plus in my books (although we can't see into the future, Iran and Venezuela two ideal candidates... ). Foreign policy (or what passes for it) from the point of view of not dropping bombs might be considered a plus, yeah - though as you say, we don't know what might happen in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopfkino Posted 4 June 2019 Share Posted 4 June 2019 50 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Interesting graph in that article...almost as if the downward trend began in 2011 and simply kept going. In any case, seeing as there are still people still unemployed I will keep using "some" people as opposed to "all" or even "most" as it's accurate, thank you very much. Additionally, as above: as if economics is the sole arbiter of political success, or even close to simply the most important. I wouldn't mind hearing where he's had success in other areas...if any. Which implies that zero unemployment is desirable? I'd agree that Trump's economic policy has been good for a small number, or some as you say, but in reality, it's also failing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 4 June 2019 Share Posted 4 June 2019 31 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: Lib Dems have hardly any MPs? But people like Heidi Allen and Chukka Umunna can only win now under the banner of either Labour, the Tories or Lib Dems - the latter is the only option available to the CUK MP's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SO1 Posted 4 June 2019 Share Posted 4 June 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Kopfkino said: Which implies that zero unemployment is desirable? I'd agree that Trump's economic policy has been good for a small number, or some as you say, but in reality, it's also failing. Its the Grand Illusion really with BS government stats. https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2019/06/st-louis-fed-study-shows-rising-level-of-financial-desperation-among-the-poor-hidden-by-aggregates.html The comments are excellent at this site. As usual if you want truth its on the street. Edited 4 June 2019 by SO1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinekersLugs Posted 4 June 2019 Share Posted 4 June 2019 Thank you Brexit supporters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 4 June 2019 Share Posted 4 June 2019 6 minutes ago, LinekersLugs said: Thank you Brexit supporters And? Which bit do you think they want exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 4 June 2019 Share Posted 4 June 2019 I think the reason people are making a big deal out of the Trump / NHS thing is because Leave painted Brexit as a working-class rebellion against evil neo-liberalism and NHS-underfunding, while Remain claimed that, out of the EU, the NHS would be threatened by any future US-UK trade deal. And as we well know by now, all that really matters is your side being proved right and the other side being proved wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 4 June 2019 Share Posted 4 June 2019 1 hour ago, Swan Lesta said: They offered to meet to make it clear it wasn’t about not doing business or not turning up. It’s always been about not wishing to support the state welcome for Trump. On an aside I notice questions were taken by the PM from the British Media were from the Times and SKY - were they allowed to make up their own questions? Enjoyed Trump suggesting there were only a very small amount of protesters and the thousands gathered down the road were Fake News. ? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinekersLugs Posted 4 June 2019 Share Posted 4 June 2019 23 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: And? Which bit do you think they want exactly? Project fear became project fact ! They will want access to it all via their providors and insurance companies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 4 June 2019 Share Posted 4 June 2019 1 minute ago, LinekersLugs said: Project fear became project fact ! They will want access to it all via their providors and insurance companies If they do no British government would ever sign it off. They wouldn't see office ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinekersLugs Posted 4 June 2019 Share Posted 4 June 2019 5 minutes ago, MattP said: If they do no British government would ever sign it off. They wouldn't see office ever again. It’s already happening , slowly , so many people voted for Brexit on a false promise it would lead to a better NHS , now it means an NHS run by American corporations , and it’s already happening so much of the NHS clinical and non clinical services have been gobbled up by corporations with American financing in the background , they are now tendering our mental health services all over the county , cancer screening etc......... and so many of the operators showing interest are backed by America cash. Its happening and people have no idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 4 June 2019 Share Posted 4 June 2019 3 minutes ago, LinekersLugs said: It’s already happening , slowly , so many people voted for Brexit on a false promise it would lead to a better NHS , now it means an NHS run by American corporations , and it’s already happening so much of the NHS clinical and non clinical services have been gobbled up by corporations with American financing in the background , they are now tendering our mental health services all over the county , cancer screening etc......... and so many of the operators showing interest are backed by America cash. Its happening and people have no idea Well if it's already happening now while we are inside the European Union it's nothing to do with Brexit is it? Make up your mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 4 June 2019 Share Posted 4 June 2019 50 minutes ago, LinekersLugs said: Project fear became project fact ! They will want access to it all via their providors and insurance companies Insurance for what exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 4 June 2019 Share Posted 4 June 2019 2 hours ago, Kopfkino said: Which implies that zero unemployment is desirable? I'd agree that Trump's economic policy has been good for a small number, or some as you say, but in reality, it's also failing. 1 hour ago, SO1 said: Its the Grand Illusion really with BS government stats. https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2019/06/st-louis-fed-study-shows-rising-level-of-financial-desperation-among-the-poor-hidden-by-aggregates.html The comments are excellent at this site. As usual if you want truth its on the street. The thing is, zero unemployment is a statistical nonsense idea, an ideal for the dreamers. Due to the fluctuation on the job market, you will always have a portion of the workforce unemployed. The only time humanity reached zero unemployment up until now was under the wonderful leftist-communist dictatorship with great names such as Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot. I'm sure North Korea today can also boast some impressive unemployment numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrifox Posted 4 June 2019 Share Posted 4 June 2019 1 hour ago, LinekersLugs said: It’s already happening , slowly , so many people voted for Brexit on a false promise it would lead to a better NHS , now it means an NHS run by American corporations , and it’s already happening so much of the NHS clinical and non clinical services have been gobbled up by corporations with American financing in the background , they are now tendering our mental health services all over the county , cancer screening etc......... and so many of the operators showing interest are backed by America cash. Its happening and people have no idea More at risk from the likes of Branson pitching for contracts , losing them and suing for “irregularities in the bidding process” and taking a huge out of court settlement to avoid legislation . Cottage industry for shithouse outsourcing companies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 4 June 2019 Share Posted 4 June 2019 (edited) Never thought we'd get to the stage in British politics where it had to be explained to people that the American president can't privatise the NHS. Edited 4 June 2019 by MattP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grebfromgrebland Posted 4 June 2019 Share Posted 4 June 2019 2 hours ago, MattP said: If they do no British government would ever sign it off. They wouldn't see office ever again. The privatisation started years ago. Consistently by the Tories. Brexit will give them the excuse to go full speed ahead and not have to do it on the quiet like they have been now. I know people that have to negotiate these contracts on the behalf of the NHS and it's a complete and total shambles and con. It will only get worse. Hundreds and hundreds of millions of pounds wasted and hundreds of great staff who love the NHS made redundant after decades service who had pride and knowledge of how to do the job properly and with respect to the institution and to patients all replaced by agency staff on minimum wage to save a few quid and cut costs. The result? Operating theatres not being cleaned before operations. Toilets covered in shit in infectious wards just left as transient staff can't be arsed to clean them and thousands and thousands of other cases like this every week. And this is just Leicester. So if you are a Tory or brexiteer and still think it's a good idea I despair as you're literally wanting to mess things up for everyone for no tangible benefits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sm1 Posted 4 June 2019 Share Posted 4 June 2019 2 hours ago, MattP said: Well if it's already happening now while we are inside the European Union it's nothing to do with Brexit is it? Make up your mind. Exactly. I used to work for the NHS in the 90s and one of the first thing the Blair labour government did when elected in 97, was to hasten privatisation. This has been going on for 20+ years and nothing is going to stop it, Brexit or no Brexit. Increasing number of GP surgeries and hospital services are already private. The same thing has gone on in education and the prison sector too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecdysiast Posted 4 June 2019 Share Posted 4 June 2019 Dear USA, We have found a fetid tangerine wankmaggot in here London, and have reason to believe it might be yours. Please arrange collection at your earliest opportunity. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 5 June 2019 Share Posted 5 June 2019 8 hours ago, Kopfkino said: Which implies that zero unemployment is desirable? I'd agree that Trump's economic policy has been good for a small number, or some as you say, but in reality, it's also failing. Oh yeah, I was talking about the idea that Trump was responsible for the unemployment decrease and that this is a good thing, as some people seem to think - I don't actually believe he's responsible for it and as you say there are issues with zero unemployment too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinekersLugs Posted 5 June 2019 Share Posted 5 June 2019 11 hours ago, MattP said: Well if it's already happening now while we are inside the European Union it's nothing to do with Brexit is it? Make up your mind. The Tory party and there preparation for ruining the country to make a few of them very rich , I have made up my mind we need to end this parties rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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