The Floyd Posted 14 August 2017 Posted 14 August 2017 42 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Hmmm...perhaps. I'm still of the opinion that attacks by specific demographics do often tend to get more interest here than ones by others, though - though I think it often depends on which part of the world they occur. (Something else springs to mind too - when Dylan Roof did his little rampage, there wasn't a separate article for that either.) I haven't noticed that at all, there's been plenty of opportunity to wrongly lambast the demographics I'm sure you're referring to in recent weeks and yet no one has really taken the chance. Again I wasn't around at the time of the Charleston church shooting, perhaps the forum has since changed in direction.
The Floyd Posted 14 August 2017 Posted 14 August 2017 18 minutes ago, bovril said: So, Mr Floyd, where were you exactly? I plead the Fifth.
Dr The Singh Posted 14 August 2017 Posted 14 August 2017 16 minutes ago, The Floyd said: I plead the Fifth. I read that as filfth....
The Horse's Mouth Posted 14 August 2017 Posted 14 August 2017 9 hours ago, Buce said: It seems to me that everybody is missing the salient point. This is a thread about Trump, and the fact that he hasn't condemned the atrocity whilst being quick to condemn Islamic terrorism should be the topic under discussion, surely? This is the main problem for me, seems more concerned with staying loved by his supporters who would commit these acts rather than alienating his voters who would do this that are clearly utter scum
Dr The Singh Posted 14 August 2017 Posted 14 August 2017 4 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said: This is the main problem for me, seems more concerned with staying loved by his supporters who would commit these acts rather than alienating his voters who would do this that are clearly utter scum This. America has a underlying right wing problem. I work regularly in Memphis and still to this day there are bars us light brown, Jesus looking guys cannot go to. It's crazy.
leicsmac Posted 15 August 2017 Posted 15 August 2017 1 hour ago, MPH said: I'll be honest, this made me cry... Yeah. Hate is not inherent. It is taught.
Merging Cultures Posted 15 August 2017 Posted 15 August 2017 I'll be honest, this made me cry...It's a powerful photo. Taken quite sometime ago and so relevant to today.
Strokes Posted 15 August 2017 Posted 15 August 2017 7 hours ago, MPH said: I'll be honest, this made me cry... That's not a princess dress up outfit?
davieG Posted 15 August 2017 Posted 15 August 2017 I've not read the whole of the last few days posts the same as the politics thread as it more of the same but I get the gist of the debate, if you don't read beyond the headlines of oh it's just another death and more politicking. One could ask,and I may have missed it but why has there not been any mention of this:- Quote Sierra Leone mudslides - The desperate dig for survivors is resuming in Sierra Leone's capital, after mudslides and floods claimed the lives of more than 300 people. If this was nearer to home I'm sure it would have been commented on by now. Just a thought
Carl the Llama Posted 15 August 2017 Posted 15 August 2017 50 minutes ago, davieG said: I've not read the whole of the last few days posts the same as the politics thread as it more of the same but I get the gist of the debate, if you don't read beyond the headlines of oh it's just another death and more politicking. One could ask,and I may have missed it but why has there not been any mention of this:- If this was nearer to home I'm sure it would have been commented on by now. Just a thought Are you sure you get the gist of the debate? Because that's a natural disaster, how does that have anything to do with double standards towards terrorist attacks depending on who committed the atrocity? But yeah I'd never heard of it either until you posted it, I imagine if it were closer to home it would have received the sort of attention on here like the fires in Portugal and the South of France did (which wasn't a great deal), probably more actually because of the death count, that's pretty heavy. I'd suggest that the very recent attack on a Turkish restaurant in Burkina Faso is a more pertinent example and one with even worse consequences than what the Charlottesville attack incurred. I deliberately haven't mentioned it myself until now to avoid being accused of 'more' provocative moral point-scoring by whoever took offence at my recent comments (because we all know that talking about these things or highlighting ethical double standards is a game with winners and losers) but like I say. it would have been a more fitting comparison. Now I just need to wait to be accused of virtue signalling anyway. Anyway I thought we'd finally got past that. The point's been made. Some people are hurt that I made it, some people agree that it was necessary to highlight the issue, some people deny that the point has any merit at all, if we keep this up we'll be going in circles forever so let's just move on and get back to focusing on the USA. 2 hours ago, leicsmac said: Pertinent: Wow the stones on that man to even think he can claim he's had no part in promoting these attitudes. Just as much to blame as the regressive thought-police on the extreme left, if not more.
leicsmac Posted 15 August 2017 Posted 15 August 2017 14 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: Wow the stones on that man to even think he can claim he's had no part in promoting these attitudes. Just as much to blame as the regressive thought-police on the extreme left, if not more. Oh, come on Carl. It's not like he travelled to the US to promote Trump while he was campaigning, giving the idea that he was a Brexit-style breath of fresh air, and then when he was elected wanted to ingratiate himself with that new administration almost imme- Oh, hang on. Sorry, my bad.
davieG Posted 15 August 2017 Posted 15 August 2017 24 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: Are you sure you get the gist of the debate? Because that's a natural disaster, how does that have anything to do with double standards towards terrorist attacks depending on who committed the atrocity? But yeah I'd never heard of it either until you posted it, I imagine if it were closer to home it would have received the sort of attention on here like the fires in Portugal and the South of France did (which wasn't a great deal), probably more actually because of the death count, that's pretty heavy. I'd suggest that the very recent attack on a Turkish restaurant in Burkina Faso is a more pertinent example and one with even worse consequences than what the Charlottesville attack incurred. I deliberately haven't mentioned it myself until now to avoid being accused of 'more' provocative moral point-scoring by whoever took offence at my recent comments (because we all know that talking about these things or highlighting ethical double standards is a game with winners and losers) but like I say. it would have been a more fitting comparison. Now I just need to wait to be accused of virtue signalling anyway. Anyway I thought we'd finally got past that. The point's been made. Some people are hurt that I made it, some people agree that it was necessary to highlight the issue, some people deny that the point has any merit at all, if we keep this up we'll be going in circles forever so let's just move on and get back to focusing on the USA. Wow the stones on that man to even think he can claim he's had no part in promoting these attitudes. Just as much to blame as the regressive thought-police on the extreme left, if not more. Yes because if that was natural disaster nearer to home and our culture I'm pretty sure plenty would have commented. So maybe there's plenty on here who either didn't feel one death amongst many was worth even looking at or they have no interest in everything that occurs in the USA. I personally never gave a racial incident in America a 2nd look sadly they seem to be regular occurance and nothing I can say about them will make a hot of difference.
Carl the Llama Posted 15 August 2017 Posted 15 August 2017 Just now, davieG said: Yes because if that was natural disaster nearer to home and our culture I'm pretty sure plenty would have commented. So maybe there's plenty on here who either didn't feel one death amongst many was worth even looking at or they have no interest in everything that occurs in the USA. I personally never gave a racial incident in America a 2nd look sadly they seem to be regular occurance and nothing I can say about them will make a hot of difference. Did you even read my comment?
Carl the Llama Posted 15 August 2017 Posted 15 August 2017 Let's try getting back on topic. Again. 2 CEOs have left the American Manufacturing Council in protest at the inadequacy of Trump's response to this whole affair (story here). Trump responds with vitriolic tweets Ugh. It's not even extraordinary that this is the behaviour of the POTUS anymore.
leicsmac Posted 15 August 2017 Posted 15 August 2017 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40943425 Interesting. Here's the whole thing... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj5RyIiClEg Go to 48 minutes for the good stuff.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 15 August 2017 Posted 15 August 2017 Erm... the mud slides in Sierra Leone have been pretty big news, if you pay attention to the right media. Just saying.
Vacamion Posted 15 August 2017 Author Posted 15 August 2017 Wow. Every time you think he's plumbed a new depth, he manages to outdo himself. I can imagine there will be big demos and probably some more violence. Not that there was before, but there is just no way Trump can ever, ever come on that State visit to the UK. Theresa May must regret more and more each day holding his tiny orange hand.
Guest Posted 15 August 2017 Posted 15 August 2017 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/15/north-korea-guam-strike-pause-donald-trump-negotiations NK WANTS negotiation imo.
Carl the Llama Posted 15 August 2017 Posted 15 August 2017 Well I'll be damned, Trump's spoken and it didn't make me reel back with a big old wtf look on my face: Ok so he gives a fairy tale description of the night rally, apparently completely unaware there was a lot of racist chanting throughout it, but you can't really disagree with the suggestion that not all of the demonstrators were white nationalists and it is true that that's something the media seem to have completely glossed over, having just kind of done away with any nuance to throw them all in the same box. I do feel sorry for those legitimate protesters who've had their cause maligned by association with racists and a murderer (though one does have to question what they were expecting to happen) . And I think it's perfectly fair to criticise the antifa idiots who went out looking for a fight, again something the media don't seem too keen on highlighting. Unfortunately for him it doesn't exonerate him of his failure to condemn the attack on the day when he chose to go in favour of a limp decrial of both sides. Got to laugh at the dumb reporter who asks if he's talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists about 30 seconds after he clearly says "I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists". Also got to palm your face at the numerous outraged comments on that tweet saying he's calling the Nazis fine people when the evidence immediately above them says otherwise And people wonder how this alt-right thing started... (Oh and just to be clear I'm still pretty convinced he secretly approves of the no-Nazi movement given all the previous circumstantial evidence. I think it's also clear that his condemnation of them in the above video will be understood by the Nazis as lip service for the sake of his public image, but he's still technically not wrong in what he says about decent people being present, the minority though they may be. I think. I don't know. It's hard to know what's real anymore.)
Carl the Llama Posted 16 August 2017 Posted 16 August 2017 I'm not so sure my conclusions above are true after all. I've seen new evidence to suggest I may have been reading too many false testimonies on the internet and taken in too many lies in my attempts to consider all angles of the issue. I'm leaving the comment up for posterity but for the time being take it with a heavy dose of salt: Like I say it's really fvcking hard to know what's real anymore.
Vacamion Posted 16 August 2017 Author Posted 16 August 2017 6 hours ago, Carl the Llama said: (Oh and just to be clear I'm still pretty convinced he secretly approves of the no-Nazi movement given all the previous circumstantial evidence. Circumstantial, huh?
Carl the Llama Posted 16 August 2017 Posted 16 August 2017 23 minutes ago, Vacamion said: Circumstantial, huh? Yeah good point.
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