Dickov22 Posted 11 March 2017 Posted 11 March 2017 21 hours ago, Babylon said: If you'd watched Fuchs, Drinkwater, Albrighton, Mahrez, Vardy etc all season barring the last two games, you'd probably have said they weren't good enough also wouldn't you? Fuchs yes. The others, no.
dedlock Posted 11 March 2017 Posted 11 March 2017 12 hours ago, funkyrobot said: Yes but surely we would've seen a flash of something from Mendy by now. A turn, a pass, a shot or whatever. Something that we could hold on to. We simply haven't seen anything from him and that includes in pre season. Not one split second of football that would allow us to say, 'this lad's got potential' his performances have been bang average to pith poor and that's why he's not in the squad. He has been out injured for much of the seasson
Babylon Posted 11 March 2017 Posted 11 March 2017 On 10/03/2017 at 19:06, Fox92 said: I was there and watched it regular. He was misplacing passes constantly. Stats are relative - the rest of team probably weren't connecting either. I don't rate Mendy or Musa and I wouldn't be surprised if Shakespeare doesn't either but fair play if you continue to back them. I watched it on stream and it wasn't regular at all, there was a spell where he misplaced two or three passes and the rest of the time they were finding their target. What the hell does stats are relative mean, he had a very good pass completion rate and the third best over all. The fact is, as often happens you and others are massively over reacting to a few poor passes and then trying to make out the whole game was like that.
Babylon Posted 11 March 2017 Posted 11 March 2017 12 hours ago, Dickov22 said: Fuchs yes. The others, no. Well I find that just bizarre... as we and they have been utter garbage bar about 5 games all season.
Nickfosse Posted 11 March 2017 Posted 11 March 2017 19 minutes ago, Babylon said: I watched it on stream and it wasn't regular at all, there was a spell where he misplaced two or three passes and the rest of the time they were finding their target. What the hell does stats are relative mean, he had a very good pass completion rate and the third best over all. The fact is, as often happens you and others are massively over reacting to a few poor passes and then trying to make out the whole game was like that. I was there, and you're right
foxinsox Posted 11 March 2017 Posted 11 March 2017 On 10/03/2017 at 21:06, Fox92 said: Musa and Mendy "know quality"? .... You're missing my point. I've said time and time again these players in particular don't even get the basics right. I've seen League Two players with a better first touch than Musa. Musa is more frustrating than Mendy. I have seen nothing in Mendy to justify the price, but possibly this is still lack of gametime. Musa does have moments of real skill as well as periods of total crapness. His goals against Everton were class. There is a good footballer in there trying to get out, albeit a frustratingly inconsistent one.
Guest Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 Hopefully both mendy and musa have already packed their bags in preparation for the next transfer window.
volpeazzurro Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 10 hours ago, Babylon said: I watched it on stream and it wasn't regular at all, there was a spell where he misplaced two or three passes and the rest of the time they were finding their target. What the hell does stats are relative mean, he had a very good pass completion rate and the third best over all. The fact is, as often happens you and others are massively over reacting to a few poor passes and then trying to make out the whole game was like that. I agree. I was there and he didn't play too badly at all. Gray flattered to deceive, fancy footwork but no end product. Chilwell poor second half. Benny played well. They looked as if they should have been 4 nil up at half time. To pick Mendy out is a bit of a cheap shot, they've all been cap, particularly Marhez who then scored that goal last week. They've been jointly low on confidence or whatever the problem has been. Out of all of them it's Musa I fear for the most though.
weller54 Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 1 hour ago, volpeazzurro said: I agree. I was there and he didn't play too badly at all. Gray flattered to deceive, fancy footwork but no end product. Chilwell poor second half. Benny played well. They looked as if they should have been 4 nil up at half time. To pick Mendy out is a bit of a cheap shot, they've all been cap, particularly Marhez who then scored that goal last week. They've been jointly low on confidence or whatever the problem has been. Out of all of them it's Musa I fear for the most though. Glad you fear for Musa... Opposition defender's never do!
Dickov22 Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 14 hours ago, Babylon said: Well I find that just bizarre... as we and they have been utter garbage bar about 5 games all season. Time will tell for Mendy won't it. Matty James MOTM once again for Barnsley yesterday. Miles better player.
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 10 hours ago, Dickov22 said: Time will tell for Mendy won't it. Matty James MOTM once again for Barnsley yesterday. Miles better player. He got MOTM against Ipswich? Really? ****ing hell. We need to get him back NOW!!
Countryfox Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 5 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said: He got MOTM against Ipswich? Really? ****ing hell. We need to get him back NOW!! When he played alongside DD I couldn't choose between them ... one went on to play for England and the other got injured. Good servant to the club and great bloke ... I wish him all the best in his comeback and hope he can recover his previous form.
Babylon Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 11 hours ago, Dickov22 said: Time will tell for Mendy won't it. Matty James MOTM once again for Barnsley yesterday. Miles better player. I just don't like him written off when I've seen everyone underperform. I'm not sure he'll succeed here unless we play him in the position he played in before we signed him. I called it the second he first signed that it didn't make sense and I didn't think he fit a 442. But I'm going to give him time and I think there are enough question marks about others performances so far also, to give him that time to perform in a team that's actually performing also. I don't think they (new signings) are being judged fairly at the moment. The Millwall game case in point, I was baffled with the hatred in the match thread. He made a few stinking passes in a short period, no getting away with that but it was only 2 or 3... the rest of the time his passing was nothing to worry about. What I was reading and what I was seeing didn't tally. And what I'm continuing to read didn't tally with the independent match stats for that game either, which match up to what I thought I saw. I find that level of hatred and scape goating just weird. It feels like many people just can't call a game or performsnfe without their pre conceived ideas warping it some what. As for James, I've always been a massive fan and I think he's one of the most under appreciated players in recent years. When he played we were often better for it and his stats back up what a good all rounder he is and has the potential to be!
TrentFox Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 Has anyone checked down the back of the sofa? I find a lot of small objects tend to end up there, in my house at least.
Devonfox1884 Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 If we can recoup £15m for Musa and Mendy we need to get it done.
weller54 Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 5 minutes ago, Devonfox1884 said: If we can recoup £15m for Musa and Mendy we need to get it done. Does The Blind Association have a football team?
AmarteyAndChill Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 Just now, weller54 said: Does The Blind Association have a football team? Yes
Wymsey Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 How much time is deemed acceptable to judge a new player? You could argue that, for his fee, he should be making some progress in terms of trying to cement his place in the team, as look at NDidi in particular - fitted in very well straightaway and everyone is praising him and expecting him to achieve great things. But, on the other hand, Vardy took a while to adjust to gradually eventually become one of the best strikers in the world last season. But had to be patient, work hard and graft enough to show the manager why he deserves to play. Mendy may be struggling in the way Vardy has (and in some ways, Musa - though Musa has made the same mistakes regularly when he played and never learned from it - and this perhaps annoyed Ranieri and/or Shakespeare), and his issue is not to do with struggling to settle in a new country but just that his style of football he's known for needs to adjust to football culture here. Whatever it is, he's behind a quality young midfielder in NDidi and an improving player in Drinkwater who is starting to be close to his strong best again. So maybe it's a case of bad luck, wait your turn until one of these get injured/suspended situations.
maddog Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 New players seem to get such harsh treatment whilst the established ones get away with being awful for months on end. Vardy/Huth/Morgan/Fuchs/Mahrez/Drinkwater have been utterly dreadful all season apart from a handful of games. Awful for 90 minutes week in week out. Yet Mendy who's barely had a kick in comparison to those 6 is written off already as a no hoper, he's been better than the above six players considering the limited game time he's had and a long term injury to recover from. Kante has clearly set the bar so high because he's possibly the most effective player in the world and Mendy is judged against him. Mendy is a decent footballer and needs to be given much more of a chance.
Guest Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 On 3/10/2017 at 22:30, funkyrobot said: Yes but there are 4 players ahead of him in the pecking order. all 4 will get injured ?
Babylon Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 15 hours ago, Wymeswold fox said: How much time is deemed acceptable to judge a new player? You could argue that, for his fee, he should be making some progress in terms of trying to cement his place in the team, as look at NDidi in particular - fitted in very well straightaway and everyone is praising him and expecting him to achieve great things. But, on the other hand, Vardy took a while to adjust to gradually eventually become one of the best strikers in the world last season. But had to be patient, work hard and graft enough to show the manager why he deserves to play. Mendy may be struggling in the way Vardy has (and in some ways, Musa - though Musa has made the same mistakes regularly when he played and never learned from it - and this perhaps annoyed Ranieri and/or Shakespeare), and his issue is not to do with struggling to settle in a new country but just that his style of football he's known for needs to adjust to football culture here. Whatever it is, he's behind a quality young midfielder in NDidi and an improving player in Drinkwater who is starting to be close to his strong best again. So maybe it's a case of bad luck, wait your turn until one of these get injured/suspended situations. In terms of judging, it's currently for me less about new players adapting (that's part of it of course, you have to take that into account) but more about the fact every single player was under performing. If proven performers are struggling in our team, and they all were. It stands to reason the new guys under performing could be for exactly the same reasons they are. They could just be shit. But you're talking about tens of millions of pounds of investment here that you won't get back. So you need to as sure as you can be before cutting your losses, and I think there are more than enough reasons just justify seeing how they all do in a positive atmosphere, where everyone is working hard, pulling together and actually playing well.
AmarteyAndChill Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 1 hour ago, st albans fox said: Bet he won't be in tomorrow's squad ..... He's injured
Dickov22 Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 59 minutes ago, AmarteyAndChill said: He's injured As usual
funkyrobot Posted 14 March 2017 Posted 14 March 2017 On 13/03/2017 at 14:31, Shaneb said: all 4 will get injured ? Hope not
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