49er Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 Premier League - stay up, of course, with three games to spare. A finish in the top half would be a bonus. Champions League - not expecting too much, but progress into the Quarter Finals would mean that he would probably get the job full time so long as we avoid relegation, irrespective of when this is secured. Just my thoughts - what does everyone else think?
TheUltimateWinner Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 Keep us up and the players to show the same desire and attitude that they have the past two games. Anything else would be a bonus IMO.
49er Posted 12 March 2017 Author Posted 12 March 2017 Just now, TheUltimateWinner said: Keep us up and the players to show the same desire and attitude that they have the past two games. Anything else would be a bonus IMO. Do you think the owners need him to do more as he is not a 'big name' that they would ideally like to have from a PR angle?
coolhandfox Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 I think it would takes a strong finish at 5-6 wins and a strong showing Tuesday night.
Countryfox Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 Honestly don't think its that clear cut ... all about whether the owners want a 'name' .... I feel a little uneasy about this as we may lose the glue (Shakey) that holds it all together. You have to be on the inside to gauge what is the right thing to do.
MarriedaLeicesterGirl Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 1 minute ago, 49er said: Premier League - stay up, of course, with three games to spare. A finish in the top half would be a bonus. Champions League - not expecting too much, but progress into the Quarter Finals would mean that he would probably get the job full time so long as we avoid relegation, irrespective of when this is secured. Just my thoughts - what does everyone else think? I think a lot depends on the situation with the players. If we manage to hold on to most of them, and get the important business done early (CB, RB), then the need for a "big name" goes away. But assuming that, I think Shakespeare needs a strong second half: Scraping through at 16th or 17th won't cut it with the owners. But winning Tuesday (and going through), and making a showing in CL can't hurt.
bovril Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 There have been plenty of examples of ex-assistant managers doing very well for a limited period before showing their lack of experience. I think whatever happens from now until the end of the season, even if we stay up comfortably, we need to go for the very best long-term option available to us in the summer. Last summer was one of missed opportunities and I hope we don't repeat it. Having said that, I'm really glad he's got the job for now.
Countryfox Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 2 minutes ago, bovril said: There have been plenty of examples of ex-assistant managers doing very well for a limited period before showing their lack of experience. Very true ... but maybe ! ... Shakey will be a fantastic manager and do absolute wonders for us before going on to be the best England manager of all time or maybe going to a huge continental club .... The Kante of the 'Managers world' ! ..... and wouldn't we kick ourselves if we let him go ..... but on the other hand !! Like I said I'm nervous here as, in the summer, this will be a big crossroads moment.
Izzy Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 Even if......we easily stay up and get to the CL 1/4 finals, I'll be surprised if Shakey will get the gig full time. It sounds daft, but I think the only way he'll get the job on a permanent basis is if we either get to the CL final or remain unbeaten this season in the league. I expect that an experienced Manager is being lined up to be announced in the summer. The new man will probably bring his own people in so providing Shakey does O.K. for the rest of the season, he'll most likely then leave and get a Managers job of a Championship side. That's how I see it panning out...
Guest ttfn Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 At least another 15 points in the league. Less sure about the Champions League, you can't judge a man on one game. We're still a very attractive prospect and Shakespeare has to prove he's the best man for the job over and above other more experienced or better connected candidates.
Koke Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 I don't wanna be a doom merchant but Rob Kelly got 21 out of possible 30 points in his first ten games around this time in 2006 and got us out of trouble. A year later he waa sacked. Di Matteo at Chelsea was sacked 4 months into the new season. I'm not saying Shakespeare and Kelly are the same but a run of good form doesn't mean Shakespeare is the man for the future.
Winsum Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 Shakespeare is not the man for the job long term. We need a manager with greater managerial experience and standing in the game if we are to attract top players.
filbertway Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 Minimum is ensure our survival to even be considered. It's impossible from the outside to tell if he's right for the job, but he's worked under/alongside 2 managers now who've done pretty well for the club and had a fair bit of success. You'd like to think he's picked up on the positives from both Pearson and Ranieri's time in charge. If he has, then it's hard to think of anybody more qualified to help us continue to build and improve.
49er Posted 12 March 2017 Author Posted 12 March 2017 3 minutes ago, Koke said: I don't wanna be a doom merchant but Rob Kelly got 21 out of possible 30 points in his first ten games around this time in 2006 and got us out of trouble. A year later he waa sacked. Di Matteo at Chelsea was sacked 4 months into the new season. I'm not saying Shakespeare and Kelly are the same but a run of good form doesn't mean Shakespeare is the man for the future. Momentum, and finishing the season with a wining mentality, will be important going into next season - refer back two years in terms of our relegation battle and going further back the end to Taylor's first season and subsequent relegation the following season.
Beliall Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 He'll be gone at the end regardless. Wenger will come and we will be stuck settling for 4th in the league. oh well
Guest Mickyblueeyes Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 The results and improvement in application of the players is one part. Behind the scenes, I think it is key that he sets out a three to five year plan as to how he wants Leicester to progress. That's an all round manager. I think the chairman will consider both parts in the summer and if the latter is not a clear vision, he may look elsewhere.
TheUltimateWinner Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 25 minutes ago, 49er said: Do you think the owners need him to do more as he is not a 'big name' that they would ideally like to have from a PR angle? Probably, I think the owners expectations are higher than the fans in terms of what he has to do to keep the job. He'll have to force their hand to stay after summer IMO.
Tuna Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 Probably not what you want to hear as I'd like him to stay on should he keep us up, but I think he'll be replaced at the end of the season whatever happens.
Guest CityFan 06 Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 Well, for me before I get onto the subject there is one possible dilemma that has occurred to me: After this season, say Shakespeare keeps us up and does well, but doesn't get the job next season; a new manager comes in and then doesn't want Shakespeare as part of his staff despite him being guaranteed a role at the club. What happens then? Could get a bit awkward. Obviously hope it doesn't come to that as Shakespeare is pivotal for this club & players. Anyway, aside to that, for me if Shakespeare keeps us up with comfortable survival, and a top half finish, it'd be very difficult not to give it to him next season.
49er Posted 12 March 2017 Author Posted 12 March 2017 I would imagine that Shakespeare must have had some sort of part to play in Ranieri's departure. The owners must have known this, and obviously stuck with him rather than showing him the door as well. Does this indicate that they quite like the bloke, and a good end to the season could result in him getting the job?
mozartfox Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 If the Owners do decide to give the job to Shakes full time, then given he is not what one would consider to be a big name, a change at DoF to someone more dynamic will be required or else our transfer targets will be 'B' and 'C' listers. Even CL football was not a big enough attraction in the last two windows, so this I see will be an issue going forward.
AmarteyAndChill Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 Unless he gets top 12 and we have an amazing end to the season I'd rather we go for another option. I'd want David Wagner to come in the summer, love the way Huddersfield play(high press etc).
Johnthefoxrayner Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 36 minutes ago, 49er said: Do you think the owners need him to do more as he is not a 'big name' that they would ideally like to have from a PR angle? We don't need a big name to manage our team. Shakey will be a big name If we climb up the table and progress in the CL
Babylon Posted 12 March 2017 Posted 12 March 2017 Good results, good media handling and presenting a long term plan for the club to the owners, which includes how he'll be filling staff vacancies, player recruitment strategies etc.
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