Slimani to ....................?

[MC Prussian]

1 hour ago, SCP1906 said:

Portuguese league in not as rich as Premier league, but its a competitive league - with lower pace but in average more skilled players.

 

I could say really ridiculous is how much money a Premier Clubs receives from TV/Premier league prizes.

Because that not only pevert all the UEFA competitions but also makes impossible for portuguese Clubs [and also other Clubs from small/poor country's] to keep their best players - much higher wagers 'makes' players want to move.

 

Leicester City FC will receive 110 Million pounds this season. Thats +/- 125 M €. From TV/prize alone... Then you also have advertising, tickets, etc.

Sporting CP, Benfica and Porto only makes 40M€/season each from tv, and for the next 8-9 seasons that amount will only rise to +/- 50M per season. And these are the top Clubs in Portugal

Then they have an average attendance higher than Leicester (bigger stadium's helps) but tickets are a lot cheaper, so less earnings from tickets too..

 

A 'mid Club' [only 3-4 Clubs - Guimarães, Braga, Marítimo,..] in Portugal makes 4-6 Million € from tv/prizes.

A lower rank/position in Portuguese 'Primeira liga' makes 2-3 Million per season from tv. And that's this season, a couple years ago only made 1-1.5 Million...

 

Yet portuguese teams usually have decent performance in UEFA and produce/teach some of the best players in the world and a lot of players above average:

Figo, Cristiano, Nani, Quaresma, Ricardo Carvalho, Fonte, Cédric, Raphael Guerreiro, Rui Costa, Paulo Sousa, Deco, etc

And not only portuguese: Matic, David Luiz, Ramires, Oblack, Falcão,... 'were made' in Portugal.

 

But I don't think its ridiculous how much money a Premier league Club makes.

 

We don't have so much money, but we make good players.

English Clubs have the money, so they have to pay for our best players.

 

It's not ridiculous, it's fair.

 

 

 

The "we don't have so much money" argument is a part-lie.

 

The Premier League may have the TV rights advantage (and a massive one, that is - make no mistake). This essentially renders it a buyers' league.

 

What the Top Three Portuguese clubs (Porto, Sporting & Benfica) plus Braga have is an advantage when it comes to transfer dealings. The Portuguese league model is based on getting young talent aboard, give them an education, then sell them at a (much) higher price.

Hence the Liga NOS being a sellers' league.

 

Ederson this season is just the prime example.

 

Before that there were Ronaldo, Nenê, Lucho Gonzalez, Lisandro Lopez, Aly Cissokho, Miguel Veloso, Silvio, Fabio Coentrão, Roberto, Radamel Falcao, Yannick Djalo, Fredy Guarin, Alvaro Pereira, Javi Garcia, Moutinho, James, Ricky van Wolfswinkel, Tiago Ilori, Christian Atsu, Bruma, Juan Iturbe, Fernando, Lazar Markovic, Jan Oblak, Danilo, Cédric Soares, Lima, Zé Luis, Jackson Martinez, Alex Sandro, Renato Sanches, Nicolas Gaitan, João Mario, ... The list is sheer endless.

 

Tons of Portuguese, Brazilians, Uruguayans, Argentinians, Columbians and whatnot bought for cheap and sold with a (massive) profit later on. That's your business model.

[AmarteyAndChill]

50 minutes ago, SCP1906 said:

Sporting could be willing to let Adrien Silva go, Silva is willing to move for som€ r€ason$.

But Sporting will ask at least 16-17M £ / 18-20M € + Slimani.

I doubt Leicester accepts to pay + let Slimani go, and I'm sure Sporting CP president to sell Adrien Silva will request 30-35 Million € for Silva or 18-20M€ + other player.

 

Sporting CP don't need to make more than 15-20M in transfers. 

If Sporting sells one of the most valued and useful players [Silva, William Carvalho, Patrício,.], will ask enough to cover the budget needs, this way there's no need to sell another good player.

 

And then there's also Slimani willing to come back to Sporting CP.

He likes Sporting and living in Portugal - much more sunny than England  - but Sporting can't afford the same salary as LCFC pays him.

 

To Slimani be included in Silva transfer, only if Slimani returns on a loan - and LCFC pays at least 1/3 of Slimani salary.

If we just offered £30m? Do you reckon you'd accept that? 

[SCP1906]

3 minutes ago, dannythefox said:

That's not going to happen though is it? Waste of money cash in and get rid. Scored a few goals but he's missed more than he's scored. 

If you get rid of him how can you know how good he could be in is second season?

As I said, if he goes to another Premier league Club you'll regret it.

 

After his first season in Sporting he looked like an average player. But being cheap [salary was 400.000€/year, in is first season] and a unusual kind of player/striker in Portugal - tall and with good aerial skills, he stayed.

Than he improved so much and became a very good striker.

I'm sure he also will be much better in his second season in Premier League if he stays.

 

[dannythefox]

6 minutes ago, SCP1906 said:

If you get rid of him how can you know how good he could be in is second season?

As I said, if he goes to another Premier league Club you'll regret it.

 

After his first season in Sporting he looked like an average player. But being cheap [salary was 400.000€/year, in is first season] and a unusual kind of player/striker in Portugal - tall and with good aerial skills, he stayed.

Than he improved so much and became a very good striker.

I'm sure he also will be much better in his second season in Premier League if he stays.

 

l think we'll be looking to bring in someone to start every game with Vardy and he will end up playing the Ulloa role. Can't see him being fit every week unless he has operation. The other thing is we don't play to his strengths and I don't think we will change.

[SCP1906]

12 minutes ago, AmarteyAndChill said:

If we just offered £30m? Do you reckon you'd accept that? 

 £30M is +/- 35M €.

I think Sporting would sell for that.

 

Last season Silva made pressure to leave Sporting and join Slimani in LCFC. Leicester can offer a much higher salary + signing 'prize'.

But Sporting didn't accept Silva transfer because it made 60+M € in Slimani + João Mário transfers, and after selling two of its best players and making so much money didn't want sell Silva. So Silva price tag was 45M€, is release clause.

 

But Portugal will play in FIFA Confederations Cup in July.. Must likely Sporting will wait to sell one of his players [Patrício, W. Carvalho, Silva and Gelson Martins] that will be there.

 

The price for Silva also can be a bit lower [30-32M €] or higher [close to 40M] depending if Sporting sells first another player for 15/20M € or not.

 

[AmarteyAndChill]

4 minutes ago, SCP1906 said:

 £30M is +/- 35M €.

I think Sporting would sell for that.

 

Last season Silva made pressure to leave Sporting and join Slimani in LCFC. Leicester can offer a much higher salary + signing 'prize'.

But Sporting didn't accept Silva transfer because it made 60+M € in Slimani + João Mário transfers, and after selling two of its best players and making so much money didn't want sell Silva. So Silva price tag was 45M€, is release clause.

 

But Portugal will play in FIFA Confederations Cup in July.. Must likely Sporting will wait to sell one of his players [Patrício, W. Carvalho, Silva and Gelson Martins] that will be there.

 

The price for Silva also can be a bit lower [30-32M €] or higher [close to 40M] depending if Sporting sells first another player for 15/20M € or not.

 

Thankyou for your information.

[SCP1906]

14 minutes ago, dannythefox said:

l think we'll be looking to bring in someone to start every game with Vardy and he will end up playing the Ulloa role. Can't see him being fit every week unless he has operation. The other thing is we don't play to his strengths and I don't think we will change.

Fair enough.

 

I also think he wasn't used to the way LCFC plays. The injuries and CAN didn't help him too, in his first season.

Still I believe he can adapt and be a very useful player.

 

Don't know how he is right now about injuries/operation through.

If he's good and make a good pre season, I think he will be fit and can make 30+ games/season.

 

[Matt]

Take him, please.

 

Even at a cut price, whilst I want a big price for Mahrez, i'm willing to take a loss on this one.

 

The funny thing is (Well it's not funny, quite annoying tbh) i'm a believer we signed Slimani to keep Mahrez sweet and happy, Slimani's been shit, it didn't seem to make Mahrez and happier or make him play any better, Mahrez now wants to leave and Slimani will be left without his mate, probably be unhappy and want to move, Slimani wanting to move isn't really a problem for me though, just the fact we spent all that money on him and probably take a loss on him, as I said i'm resigned to that though.

 

He's never a £30m player however that strengethens my case even more saying I want seriously money for Mahrez, if Slimani is £30m, Stones £50m, Pogba £90m, Mahrez is what? £60m atleast and i've said i'd let him go for £40m...bargain, still can't see many clubs being interested though.

 

Hmmm, made this more about Mahrez than Slimani ....Let him go!!! (Slimani)

 

Just gutted we didn't let him go to that Chinese club that were interested in January, I trust that was all true? £40m was rumoured aswell wasn't it?! Crazy!

[los dedos]

17 minutes ago, Matt said:

Take him, please.

 

Even at a cut price, whilst I want a big price for Mahrez, i'm willing to take a loss on this one.

 

The funny thing is (Well it's not funny, quite annoying tbh) i'm a believer we signed Slimani to keep Mahrez sweet and happy, Slimani's been shit, it didn't seem to make Mahrez and happier or make him play any better, Mahrez now wants to leave and Slimani will be left without his mate, probably be unhappy and want to move, Slimani wanting to move isn't really a problem for me though, just the fact we spent all that money on him and probably take a loss on him, as I said i'm resigned to that though.

 

He's never a £30m player however that strengethens my case even more saying I want seriously money for Mahrez, if Slimani is £30m, Stones £50m, Pogba £90m, Mahrez is what? £60m atleast and i've said i'd let him go for £40m...bargain, still can't see many clubs being interested though.

 

Hmmm, made this more about Mahrez than Slimani ....Let him go!!! (Slimani)

 

Just gutted we didn't let him go to that Chinese club that were interested in January, I trust that was all true? £40m was rumoured aswell wasn't it?! Crazy!

Did he steal your girlfriend?

[Matt]

3 minutes ago, los dedos said:

Did he steal you girlfriend?

No but who are you on about?

 

I'll explain (If it was needed), I simply want a decent and right (in the market) price for Mahrez and Slimani, really don't rate him, i'd sell, even at a loss, we've had our pants down with him.

[Stevosevic]

He'll wanna leave without his pal.

[CyprusFox]

9 minutes ago, Stevosevic said:

He'll wanna leave without his pal.

Unless we sign another mate - Boudebouz

[desertfox2]

Think some people are way too quick to write players off sometimes. He's been unlucky with injuries. Granted I don't think he suits our style atm as still not sure he can play as a 2 with Vardy and that's a worry, maybe pre season will help. Speaking of Vardy remember when quite a few people on here thought he was shite no first touch and not good enough for Championship during his first season. Very few players settle immediately in the prem. Stat wise Slim has actually done quite well all things considered.

[EGBFitness]

Swap Slim with Rondon if WBA are interested. 

[CyprusFox]

1 minute ago, EGBFitness said:

Swap Slim with Rondon if WBA are interested. 

Good shout

[Jonezy]

I still believe in the Slim. If he can stay clear of injuries, I think we have quite a goalscorer.

[desertfox2]

16 minutes ago, CyprusFox said:

Good shout

If they went for that I would be worrying that we have missed something.

[justfoxes]

Bit of a joke that sell him to us for £30m buy him back for £15m and make £15m for Fuchs  all great business "NOT!!" 

What is it about some clubs thinking they can just rip us off

[SCP1906]

2 hours ago, MC Prussian said:

The "we don't have so much money" argument is a part-lie.

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Tons of Portuguese, Brazilians, Uruguayans, Argentinians, Columbians and whatnot bought for cheap and sold with a (massive) profit later on. That's your business model.

If you know portuguese 'Liga' so much, you'll also know that a big portion of that profit go directly to Jorge Mendes or Doyen Sports pockets.

Mendes is known as the '10% agent' because he charges 10% of transfer fee. But most players he transfer from a portuguese Club to a foreign Club he also owns 10, 15 or 20% of his 'transfer rights'.

When I speak in Mendes, I'm also speaking of his 'friends'/partners, like Peter Lim [owner of Valencia] and the other chinese who bought Wolverhampton,..

 

Most of those players you mention only came to Portugal because of agents/TPO/investors. A lot of this investors use Benfica or Porto [and now Braga and Rio Ave] to rise those players value and then make a huge profit - sometimes way above their actual value.

Ramires is a big example of this - Benfica was only a pass through Club, Ramires was way above standards for a primeira liga player..and price too. He only came to Portugal to be sold. Benfica profited, but less than half of those 22M that Chelsea paid.

 

You mention Ederson. 

Benfica will only receive 45% of his transfer:

Benfica has 50%, Rio Ave [previous Club] 30% and 20% for Mendes. On top of that Mendes will also receive is transfer comission - 5% from benfica and 3% from Rio Ave. 

 

In the end, you'll see a 'Manch city pays 35M for Ederson' in news headlines, but Benfica [the only one as 'seller' in headlines] receives 15,75M, Rio Ave 9.45M and Mendes 9.8M. 

This with Ederson, who was in Rio Ave [portuguese Club too] before. Most of those brazilian, colobian and other south americans players you mention normally some small, sometimes unkown sometimes 'strange' Clubs also have 20, 30%,

 

Benfica, Braga and now Rio Ave and Porto are involved in big schemes of tranfers.

 

If you're interested, look at transfers between Benfica, Braga, Atletico Madrid, Valencia, Monaco, last couple years Rio Ave and some of Porto too. And Wolverhampton now too - Where Mendes put his friend Espirito Santo as a manager - Espirito Santo was fired by Porto [he's bad] and Mendes took him to another 'mendes Club'.

All 'Mendes Clubs' make a lot of transfers between them [excluding Porto <-> Benfica because.. 'political'/rivalry reasons between fans]. Mendes also makes some transfers to Clubs outside of this circle, but most of them is between this Clubs.

You even can find curious transfers like when Rio Ave, normally a lower-mid tier Club in primeira liga, ''bought'' a player and then loaned that exact same player to Valencia [a much bigger tier club from spain]..

 

A big portion of these big transfers [15,20,25,30M €] is money laundering? Or is only a move from Mendes to artificially raise the players value? 

Who knows..

 

I'm not saying portuguese Clubs don't profit.

They profit, but not as much as appears.

 

Yet it make part of the way they make a living and have bigger budgets.

But it's not ridiculous** to ask big amounts of money if those who have that money want the good players.

 

 

**excluding Renato Sanches transfer.. still don't know how Bayern M were so stupid.to pay that much.

Yet Barcelona also paid an stupid amount for André Gomes... what they have in common? both learnt to play in Benfica, both transfers by Mendes. 

Maybe all those tranfers between Mendes Clubs helped 'outsiders clubs' pay stupid amounts too. And avoid Benfica players, at least those who really learned to play there.

 

 

[MC Prussian]

9 minutes ago, SCP1906 said:

Jorge Mendes excursion.

I have heard of "super agent" Mendes before.

 

My point remains - Portuguese clubs still profit massively from the sale of young talented players from Portugal or South America that they get on board for (a lot) less money years earlier.

[dayday]

2 hours ago, Matt said:

No but who are you on about?

 

I'll explain (If it was needed), I simply want a decent and right (in the market) price for Mahrez and Slimani, really don't rate him, i'd sell, even at a loss, we've had our pants down with him.

I'm with you, just don't see what he brings to the team, he is ok attacking crosses but that's it.

 

All round game is shocking , no pace, struggles to hold the ball up, his first touch is really poor, and above all his work rate is so hit and miss.

 

As you say we have had our pants down 

 

 

 

[Domsdad]

4 minutes ago, dayday said:

I'm with you, just don't see what he brings to the team, he is ok attacking crosses but that's it.

 

All round game is shocking , no pace, struggles to hold the ball up, his first touch is really poor, and above all his work rate is so hit and miss.

 

As you say we have had our pants down 

 

 

 

Pure guesswork here, but I reckon Mahrez agreed to stay on providing we signed Slim. Might explain his moods because we rarely played Slim. 

[fuchsntf]

2 hours ago, los dedos said:

Did he steal your girlfriend?

No he gave her back...

[Out Foxed]

17 hours ago, Jonezy said:

I still believe in the Slim. If he can stay clear of injuries, I think we have quite a goalscorer.

not convinced him and vards can play to the highest level. would be more confident Rondon could. 

[surrifox]

17 hours ago, Jonezy said:

I still believe in the Slim. If he can stay clear of injuries, I think we have quite a goalscorer.

I don't think he's as bad as some are making out - there are plenty of clubs rumoured to be willing to take him and given a run I think he'd do well for us . I can't see why we'd drop £15 mill on the deal at this stage - insane