Eamon2 Posted 16 June 2017 Posted 16 June 2017 To me, he never really had a chance this season. He was at best double marked and sometimes triple marked. We did not have Kante to protect and cover for him. Our centre halves had too much pressure on them and we did not distribute the ball fast enough to him to enable him to play the killer passes he did the previous year. Also the team changed for most of the season until Shakey took over and by then his confidence was shot. I would love if he waits until we sign at least 2 more class players that will take the pressure off him. A couple of really good midfielders and or a striker. Then he might decide he can actually rediscover his form. He is not and never was a player who covers back, he needs to conserve his energy and keep mentally alert. This is why I think he is looking for a team with big names in it. To take the pressure off. Imho
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 16 June 2017 Posted 16 June 2017 11 hours ago, the fox said: @NotTheMarketLeader, can I ask a question? Why do you think mahrez underperformed this season? You are obviously not his biggest fan to say the least so, a little input from you would be nice. I will start by saying this.He is the most talented player we have had at this club for 40 years, if not ever. In the title winning season he utilised that ability to the maximum and with his two cohorts Vardy and Kante they won the title for us. Last season whilst for at least 50% of the time the whole team was a mess, which we can use to some extent to mitigate some of Mahrez's poor performances. He has been marginally better since Shakey took over, but not to the extent most others improved. I do think the previous season's high and the hype and awards that followed had affected him. The whole season he looked as though he didn't want to be here, and that's obviously been the case. He thought he was doing us a favour which is hardly the best frame of mind to have in a team game. At the same time he thinks he has a reputation to live up to and build on, and as a result in games he was trying to do too much. He tried to beat three defenders when going around one and passing to a team mate was the answer. He was playing for himself not the team, and that was his, and ultimately our downfall. We basically lost title winning Mahrez at the same time Kante left. It is no wonder we were struggling. I believe Mahrez felt he had to try and do more, but in doing so he put too much pressure on himself, and it went on and on; trying to be Messi, and not doing what he did the previous season. If you have 3 players to top of you, you do not try and dribble past them all, all the time. You pass the ball, which he did very rarely accurately. His confidence suffered. When you have no confidence you make wrong decisions, and the worse it gets. I lay some of the blame at the feet of Ranieri and Shakes for not benching him, to give him time to get this shit together when he was playing poorly. I have slated him on here mercilessly for lack of effort and teamwork which I believe is justified. The above are the reasons I think it all went wrong.
the fox Posted 16 June 2017 Posted 16 June 2017 2 hours ago, NotTheMarketLeader said: I will start by saying this.He is the most talented player we have had at this club for 40 years, if not ever. In the title winning season he utilised that ability to the maximum and with his two cohorts Vardy and Kante they won the title for us. Last season whilst for at least 50% of the time the whole team was a mess, which we can use to some extent to mitigate some of Mahrez's poor performances. He has been marginally better since Shakey took over, but not to the extent most others improved. I do think the previous season's high and the hype and awards that followed had affected him. The whole season he looked as though he didn't want to be here, and that's obviously been the case. He thought he was doing us a favour which is hardly the best frame of mind to have in a team game. At the same time he thinks he has a reputation to live up to and build on, and as a result in games he was trying to do too much. He tried to beat three defenders when going around one and passing to a team mate was the answer. He was playing for himself not the team, and that was his, and ultimately our downfall. We basically lost title winning Mahrez at the same time Kante left. It is no wonder we were struggling. I believe Mahrez felt he had to try and do more, but in doing so he put too much pressure on himself, and it went on and on; trying to be Messi, and not doing what he did the previous season. If you have 3 players to top of you, you do not try and dribble past them all, all the time. You pass the ball, which he did very rarely accurately. His confidence suffered. When you have no confidence you make wrong decisions, and the worse it gets. I lay some of the blame at the feet of Ranieri and Shakes for not benching him, to give him time to get this shit together when he was playing poorly. I have slated him on here mercilessly for lack of effort and teamwork which I believe is justified. The above are the reasons I think it all went wrong. See! Now your criticism towards riyad seem at least justifiable because you had some very valid reasons behind them, I might not agree with some of them but those are a few valid reasons nonetheless (I will add the lack of an overlapping fullback and a box to box midfield to the reasons though). Isn't it nice having a civil discussion without the words "agenda", "fanboy" and "hater" thrown around.
Max Wall Posted 16 June 2017 Posted 16 June 2017 On 6/8/2017 at 16:26, Harry96 said: Don't think you have pal if you think hazard doesn't track back might not do it as much as pedro but still does his hair share of defensive work for the team. Isn't that Rooney you're thinking of?
Guest Posted 16 June 2017 Posted 16 June 2017 11 hours ago, foxfanazer said: Mahrez in a Juve shirt Much rather Mahrez in a Leicester shirt!
foxfanazer Posted 16 June 2017 Posted 16 June 2017 2 minutes ago, toddybad said: Much rather Mahrez in a Leicester shirt! Not the Mahrez of last season I wouldn't
st albans fox Posted 16 June 2017 Posted 16 June 2017 gentle drifting in of the price to stay - now 11/4. Was 7/1 a week ago! Arsenal still favs but now 5/4 against a shortest price of 11/10.
Wymsey Posted 16 June 2017 Posted 16 June 2017 It's somewhat clear that he's low on confidence and believes a move away will reignite it positively. Sometimes certain players say things and get what they want - such as moving to a 'bigger' club etc; but there's plenty of examples where these particular players actually worsened their playing reputation and performing poorly or even hardly featuring. So, a move, therefore, is not the definitive route to take (due to the 'unknown' of how they'll fare etc) and so hope Mahrez reflects on his statement in wanting to leave and actually understands that the club has supported him to be the great player he can be plus that he can only develop well if he puts 100% commitment in for the team week-in, week-out.
st albans fox Posted 16 June 2017 Posted 16 June 2017 I'm still yet to see the stats on mahrez re distance covered per game and sprints per game
murphy Posted 16 June 2017 Posted 16 June 2017 7 hours ago, the fox said: See! Now your criticism towards riyad seem at least justifiable because you had some very valid reasons behind them, I might not agree with some of them but those are a few valid reasons nonetheless (I will add the lack of an overlapping fullback and a box to box midfield to the reasons though). Isn't it nice having a civil discussion without the words "agenda", "fanboy" and "hater" thrown around. Carlsberg don't do patronising posts but if they did....
ARM1968 Posted 17 June 2017 Posted 17 June 2017 Ahhh bollix. Either fuch off or stay. Don't see a scrum rushing to sign our wonder boy. He played most of last season with his head lodged up his own ass and with a face like a smashed melon. If he wanted a 'bigger' club he should have put in a few bigger performances. Bloke is a footballing genius. Best player I've ever seen in a Leicester shirt. But that doesn't mean he can have a season off then nab a deal to the Barca bench.
st albans fox Posted 17 June 2017 Posted 17 June 2017 Creeping into 11/4 to stay which is the same as Monaco. Arsenal remain 5/4
desertfox2 Posted 17 June 2017 Posted 17 June 2017 Think we should put a deadline on this. Say to him if we receive an acceptable offer before a certain date. Well before the season starts and plenty of time to spend the money then he can go. Past that date he stays another year. The longer it goes on the more expensive and harder it will be to find a replacement. It will unsettle us if he leaves just before the season starts.
RODNEY FERNIO Posted 17 June 2017 Posted 17 June 2017 At least West Ham got £25 million for Payet ... not a complete disaster. Payet is 30 now ... four years older than Mahrez ... if we sell for less than £40 million we'll be getting our pants pulled down yet again.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 18 June 2017 Posted 18 June 2017 9 hours ago, RODNEY FERNIO said: At least West Ham got £25 million for Payet ... not a complete disaster. Payet is 30 now ... four years older than Mahrez ... if we sell for less than £40 million we'll be getting our pants pulled down yet again. If he stays, it has to be with the caveat that if he doesn't 'play for the team' he's benched. When he is non productive - he simply doesn't play - pandering to his ego and playing him regardless of form has been shown not to work. We can't go through another season with effectively 10 men on the pitch.
themightyfin Posted 18 June 2017 Posted 18 June 2017 3 hours ago, NotTheMarketLeader said: If he stays, it has to be with the caveat that if he doesn't 'play for the team' he's benched. When he is non productive - he simply doesn't play - pandering to his ego and playing him regardless of form has been shown not to work. We can't go through another season with effectively 10 men on the pitch. A tad harsh I don't think you can say he was any better or worse then most of the team for the first two thirds of the season.
HankMarvin Posted 18 June 2017 Posted 18 June 2017 On 16 June 2017 at 14:51, the fox said: See! Now your criticism towards riyad seem at least justifiable because you had some very valid reasons behind them, I might not agree with some of them but those are a few valid reasons nonetheless (I will add the lack of an overlapping fullback and a box to box midfield to the reasons though). Isn't it nice having a civil discussion without the words "agenda", "fanboy" and "hater" thrown around. Are you a hater of those that oppose fanboys with a bias agenda?
themightyfin Posted 18 June 2017 Posted 18 June 2017 15 hours ago, st albans fox said: Creeping into 11/4 to stay which is the same as Monaco. Arsenal remain 5/4 I wouldn't read too much into that. I placed only £50 he will stay and he went from 5/1 to 3/1 so it don't take much.
st albans fox Posted 18 June 2017 Posted 18 June 2017 34 minutes ago, themightyfin said: I wouldn't read too much into that. I placed only £50 he will stay and he went from 5/1 to 3/1 so it don't take much. Stock another nifty on and Let's we if we can get down to 2/1 !! btw, twitter says he is holidaying in the Maldives ......... tough but someone has to do it !
themightyfin Posted 18 June 2017 Posted 18 June 2017 5 minutes ago, st albans fox said: Stock another nifty on and Let's we if we can get down to 2/1 !! btw, twitter says he is holidaying in the Maldives ......... tough but someone had to do it ! Won't let me put anymore on
Bunyip Posted 18 June 2017 Posted 18 June 2017 1 hour ago, themightyfin said: A tad harsh I don't think you can say he was any better or worse then most of the team for the first two thirds of the season. But he obviously thinks he is . Listen to that sanctimonious clap trap he came out with on his I want to leave Leicester for bigger thing bullshit. Did any of the other players say that ? He is no where near as good as he thinks he is and judging by lack of potential clubs cueing up to sign him neither do they.
themightyfin Posted 18 June 2017 Posted 18 June 2017 26 minutes ago, Bunyip said: But he obviously thinks he is . Listen to that sanctimonious clap trap he came out with on his I want to leave Leicester for bigger thing bullshit. Did any of the other players say that ? He is no where near as good as he thinks he is and judging by lack of potential clubs cueing up to sign him neither do they. Nowhere near as good as he thinks he is? Best player I've ever seen in a city shirt in my 40 years.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 18 June 2017 Posted 18 June 2017 1 hour ago, themightyfin said: Nowhere near as good as he thinks he is? Best player I've ever seen in a city shirt in my 40 years. He's the most talented and skilful, but even in our title winning season he wasn't the most productive. Throw in last season where he was miles behind his best, and given what Vardy produced last season in terms of goals and assists it shows he simply is not our most valuable or important player.
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