Incident at London Bridge

[Guest MattP]

4 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

The racists are ignorant idiots but I actually feel the actions and words of the lefty sympathisers are more dangerous to this country

This.

[hejammy]

2 minutes ago, Russell sprout said:

Depends what you define as troubles past,

but I think that it's the poison they call Islam which they get installed into them from birth which makes the commit the type of acts of terrorism they do

Oh dear.... So we can expect a billion or so attacks now can we? Preposterous statement. You just showed your true colours there my friend. I give up....... 

[Russell sprout]

2 minutes ago, hejammy said:

"cuz muslims are innocent in all this aren't they" oh dear..... 

 

So by your sarcastic response your suggesting all Muslims are not innocent? 

Clearly there innocent till they blow themselves up,that's as innocent as I see them,they only have themselves to blame as a religion for recent events,why is it me as a non Muslim condemns them,but I hear nothing from the so called good Muslims condemning them,the reason for this is they agree to an extent what there 'brothers' do,

bur keep quiet 

[Nuneatonfox in Manchester]

1 hour ago, stix said:

 

Youre right. 

 

More needs to be done by the security services. They need to act on their intel ALOT quicker. 

 

My my post was more towards the morons who just want to go out 'paki-bashing' like it's the fvcking 80's all over again. 

Who exactly has advocated "Paki- bashing" on this thread? 

[Guest kristianity77]

All we have to do is separate religious people from non religious people and give them each a part of the world to live in. Give it a few years or a few decades when the religious side has destroyed itself over who has the best imaginary friend and the non religious lot can move out into the empty destroyed countries and rebuild. Problem solved.

[Russell sprout]

4 minutes ago, Charl91 said:

 

Most are, yes. It would be like saying all Catholics are paedophiles, or all white people are murderers.

 

It's not pussy footing around, it's called facts, statistics and common sense. You seem to lack a fundamental grasp of all 3.

 

 

Slightly off topic but the girls groomed in Rochdale and Rotherham were by Muslim peodophiles but but for fear of upsetting the locals they turned a blind eye to it,it was racist aswell as they only wanted young white girls,had the shoe been on the other foot there would have been uproar,

again another example of treading on eggshells with Muslims 

[Charl91]

2 minutes ago, Russell sprout said:

Clearly there innocent till they blow themselves up,that's as innocent as I see them,they only have themselves to blame as a religion for recent events,why is it me as a non Muslim condemns them,but I hear nothing from the so called good Muslims condemning them,the reason for this is they agree to an extent what there 'brothers' do,

bur keep quiet 

 

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/muslim-organisations-in-leicester-condemn-manchester-arena-terror-attack/story-30348230-detail/story.html

 

http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/23/muslims-unite-to-condemn-ariana-grande-manchester-terror-attack-6655366/

 

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-05-24/amir-khan-says-manchester-attack-is-twisting-islam-and-totally-against-our-religion

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/manchester-arena-attack-muslim-leaders-condemn-suicide-bombing-ariana-grande-explosion-a7751576.html

 

Did you want them to come round and knock on your bloody house?

[hejammy]

2 minutes ago, Russell sprout said:

Clearly there innocent till they blow themselves up,that's as innocent as I see them,they only have themselves to blame as a religion for recent events,why is it me as a non Muslim condemns them,but I hear nothing from the so called good Muslims condemning them,the reason for this is they agree to an extent what there 'brothers' do,

bur keep quiet 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/23/uk-muslim-leaders-condemn-cowardly-london-attack

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2017/mar/26/muslims-condemn-terrorism-stats

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3642273/manchester-muslim-community-joins-faith-leaders-to-condemn-cowardly-terror-attack/

 

Just three articles to say otherwise. 

 

I'd suggest reading other things apart from Facebook, kkk website and Tommy Robinsons twitter posts 

[Russell sprout]

5 minutes ago, Charl91 said:

 

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/muslim-organisations-in-leicester-condemn-manchester-arena-terror-attack/story-30348230-detail/story.html

 

http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/23/muslims-unite-to-condemn-ariana-grande-manchester-terror-attack-6655366/

 

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-05-24/amir-khan-says-manchester-attack-is-twisting-islam-and-totally-against-our-religion

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/manchester-arena-attack-muslim-leaders-condemn-suicide-bombing-ariana-grande-explosion-a7751576.html

 

Did you want them to come round and knock on your bloody house?

Go and support labour and Corbyn pal,you left wing loyalty is cringe

[Tielemans63]

5 minutes ago, Russell sprout said:

Slightly off topic but the girls groomed in Rochdale and Rotherham were by Muslim peodophiles but but for fear of upsetting the locals they turned a blind eye to it

Us Catholics would never allow such a thing to happen...

 

 

 

 

 

Priests aren't interested in girls.

[kingfox]

35 minutes ago, Charl91 said:

 

I agree with you; I think we're all angry and frustrated about current events.  People feel helpless, because it seems as though there's nothing they can do, no action they can take to stop it. The problem is though, most people don't really know where to take out their anger and frustration. It would be nice to think that there's an easy way to stop this, or some kind of direction people could channel their anger at. Some sort of tangible enemy.

 

But people are taking out their anger on regular muslims, most of which who just want to go about their ordinary lives and get on with their day to day problems. People which have the same worries and problems as us, and are as pissed off about this as we are. Lashing out at these people won't solve the problem, and in their blind anger, this is what many people are failing to see. The only thing it can manage to do is make the problem worse. Picking up people off the street and torturing them?  Arresting people without sufficient evidence? That's not going to stop extremism, it's going to fuel it.

 

We need to try and stop extremism somehow, though I'm buggered if I can think of an easy solution. Maybe the Government will think of something. But all this talk of "banning Islam", or "killing everyone on a watch list" is not the answer. There is no black and white answer, and people need to try and accept that. Any solution that does come about will have to be in many shades of grey.

Anybody with their head screwed on will say the same thing as you have in the second paragraph. Though who are taking it out on regular muslims are just letting their frustrations get the better of them without thinking first.

 

As I said it just makes me angry, it frustrates me to see every time an attack of this kind happens we here the same crap spouted afterwards. Theresa May coming out this morning and saying 'Enough is enough', those words are all well and good but are they finally going to pull their finger out and do something in some way? I've just seen Sadiq Khan's message on Twitter, no doubt he said the exact same thing after the Westminster and Manchester attacks. We just keep rinse and repeating everything until another one happens this time next week or this time next month.

 

Whats the point of having a 'Watch list' when these cvnts aren't being tracked. Yet again they have probably travelled out of the country and back again, slip through the net in the process, organise this barbaric act and end up going out and killing innocent people.

 

We need to do at least something, we at least need to act in some way, it isn't going to be an easy solution but you have to start somewhere instead of standing back looking weak, saying the same shit then end up doing nothing as another attack unfolds in the coming days, weeks or months.

[Dr The Singh]

5 minutes ago, Charl91 said:

 

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/muslim-organisations-in-leicester-condemn-manchester-arena-terror-attack/story-30348230-detail/story.html

 

http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/23/muslims-unite-to-condemn-ariana-grande-manchester-terror-attack-6655366/

 

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-05-24/amir-khan-says-manchester-attack-is-twisting-islam-and-totally-against-our-religion

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/manchester-arena-attack-muslim-leaders-condemn-suicide-bombing-ariana-grande-explosion-a7751576.html

 

Did you want them to come round and knock on your bloody house?

What do you expect them to say.... you do know people, organisations, groups do lie???

 

There are many ways of supporting idiologies not all involve violence, some involve strategical intervention ie influencing the kuffars through political power, recruiting and converting, we know the prison system is rife and converting in poor regions and people with struggles is alot easier. Some involve getting funding, everything costs money, creating leaflets and handing them out at mosques etc.  This is a war my friend, the enemy is not going to come and just slap you in the face, it has many faces, many sympathisers and many guises......

[yorkie1999]

12 minutes ago, kristianity77 said:

All we have to do is separate religious people from non religious people and give them each a part of the world to live in. Give it a few years or a few decades when the religious side has destroyed itself over who has the best imaginary friend and the non religious lot can move out into the empty destroyed countries and rebuild. Problem solved.

Says mr kristianity77

[Rincewind]

After Manchester there was a Muslim surgeon who had just done a 48 shift helping the victims. After a few hours rest he was going back and some idiots shouted from a car 'F..k of Paki go home you terrorist' He was born in this country.

It is this sort of reaction that will enable the recruiters to to find more disallusioned young men.

I have seen calls for the banning of the Burka. To my knowledge no terrorist attack in Britain has been carried out by a person wearing one. The attacks mostly have been carried out by young British born males. I have not checked the stats so happy if proved wrong.

[Charl91]

2 minutes ago, Russell sprout said:

Go and support labour and Corbyn pal,you left wing loyalty is cringe

 

 

 

Great response. If using facts and rational arguments is 'left wing', then fine, all aboard the lefty train it is! 

 

(Though fyi, I've voted Tory and Lib Dem before, but never Labour)

[Russell sprout]

5 minutes ago, Paddy. said:

Us Catholics would never allow such a thing to happen...

 

 

 

 

 

Priests aren't interested in girls.

That's why us young boys had centre partings in the 90's

[Russell sprout]

Just now, Charl91 said:

 

 

 

Great response. If using facts and rational arguments is 'left wing', then fine, all aboard the lefty train it is! 

 

(Though fyi, I've voted Tory and Lib Dem before, but never Labour)

Are you George Galloway 

[Charl91]

Just now, Russell sprout said:

Are you George Galloway 

 

Are you Katie Hopkins?

[Rincewind]

6 minutes ago, Russell sprout said:

Go and support labour and Corbyn pal,you left wing loyalty is cringe

Is that the best reply you can muster?

[Chester Dontlie]

Just heard the news. This is horrible, third attack in a row, even though I don't live in UK I'm worried about how it came to this and about your (and Europe's) future. Hope at least all of you guys and your families & close ones weren't directly affected. Stay safe everyone!

[Russell sprout]

3 minutes ago, Rincewind said:

Is that the best reply you can muster?

Coming from you rincewind and previous debates we've had and find that laughable,

ive learned from befour where your loyalties lye

[Rincewind]

Where my loyalties are do not matter. You were given information that refuted your claims and you responded by making snide remarks and ignoring the links. Do you actually think that the security forces should reveal the source of their information even if it is from the family of the suspect?

[Sammy]

I despise when all this kicks off and people start spouting 'the 3000 on the watchlist must be deported' etc, with infinitely small knowledge on the matter. I imagine it must be incredibly frustrating for someone working in MI5/police for people to jump on board with Tommy Robinson screaming about the 3000 without even remotely knowing what this watchlist entails.

 

As a democracy we need a political party to put forward their strategies on how to tackle the issue and give them a mandate to do it, those idiots saying 'we must take it in to our own hands' will only ever make things worse. What are you going to do? Randomly select and beat up innocent people to make you feel good? Get some perspective on how little you understand on the matter

[Kitchandro]

It's too late to do anything about this. Our mistake was letting vastly different cultures live in the same place. They cannot co-exist.

 

People say all this rubbish about 'they will not divide us' but the reason these things are happening is because society is already divided. Whilst faiths like Islam are allowed in a modern, open-minded nation like Britain, it will always breed extremism because their religion is so strict and backward.

 

Terrorism is not the fault of all Muslims, and I don't know what you can expect them to do about it. Muslim people in general are not the problem as individuals, but the Islamic faith is. Nobody who supports gay rights, female rights, childrens rights or general human rights can defend the cultures of Islamic nations like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar etc. They are completely at odds with our own and when you try to mix the two of course it is going to cause friction. Look around our own city, Muslims have pretty much their own seperate societies here. How is that going to help?

 

Most relgions have potential to cause extremism, they're based on outdated rules that were considered 'morals' back in a day when burning women was popular in case they were witches. But there's no doubt doubt Islam is the most extreme version of this. People are willing to die just to prove a point for Islam. As misguided as most Muslims will rightly say they are, you can't deny that it is the influence for such acts.

 

People need to stop using the racism card by the way. Islam is a religion, not a race. It is also a choice, so it should not be immune from criticism.

[hejammy]

15 minutes ago, Russell sprout said:

Go and support labour and Corbyn pal,you left wing loyalty is cringe

This is when you know you're dealing with 1 of the following :

1. An idiot 

2. Someone who doesn't have any decent argument left 

3. An actual racist

4. An inbred 

5. A "home schooled" individual who's schooling involved "how to break into a garage 101"

6. All of the above