Incident at London Bridge

[Guest Dirkster the Fox]

1 minute ago, SheppyFox said:

Too much common sense there my good man, unacceptable. Besides, what happens if you offend someone?

SheppyFox, it is time to stop the egg shell approach. It's time the round the candles "love not hate" claptrap is finished. A much more tough stated decision setting the framework for Islam to truly end this in the U.K in needed. Now!

 

I couldn't give one toss if people with liberal views are offended. 

[SheppyFox]

3 minutes ago, Dirkster the Fox said:

SheppyFox, it is time to stop the egg shell approach. It's time the round the candles "love not hate" claptrap is finished. A much more tough stated decision setting the framework for Islam to truly end this in the U.K in needed. Now!

 

I couldn't give one toss if people with liberal views are offended. 

I'm only joking mate  sometimes we will have to offend liberals.

[yorkie1999]

6 minutes ago, Charl91 said:

 

Great. Step one on the way to solving the problem. Now how do you propose to implement your ingenious idea of banning Islam in this country?

Dunno, ask the Japanese, they're making a fairly good job of it.

[hejammy]

19 minutes ago, Dirkster the Fox said:

One option "amongst several" is to put into action this:

 

A) Phase one, temporary closure of any mosque/single faith school proven to either harbour or in any way be found promoting any form of radical hatred. A strong warning their communal environment needs to root out any radical views.

B) Phase two, indefinite closure if the same group of leaders, attendees continue to flounder the above first phase. 

 

If the Muslim community are really serious about what is going on, it will push the problem out of the mosques/schools and remove two forums for such views. The internet is clearly a huge area as well, but if every local mosque/faith schools rid itself of any potential radicalised views the chances of acceptance will reduce and not be able to manifest itself further. Islam's only chance here in the U.K. Is to rid, completely, any forum possible for such views. You will never be able to counter everything, but a real removal from these locations of radicalisation is a huge step in the right direction. It begs the question why we still need to say these things though, because be under no liberal lovey illusion, there is still plenty of radical views across mosques and single Muslim faith schools.

 

Of note, do you all remember under Blairs watch all those allowed to preach radical Islam hate on the street corners of our towns and cities. I remember being so sickened it was accepted by the then government as their right to hate, surpassed any impact it could have. The seeds for all this were planted years ago.

 

Simply put, Muslims are the only ones to root out the evil within in their religion. The ball is firmly in their court.

 

#endthelovehashtags

So all Muslims know each other do they? It's the Muslims problem so let them handle it. I think you'll find that most Muslims will have as much of a clue as anyone. It's like saying every white person should know a paedophile. Sounds ludicrous doesn't it. 

There was someone on here who mentioned that mosques who preach hate should be closed. Agree with this completely. Although I fear that the majority of this is done on the Internet. We need to work together with these Internet provides to ban these website. Finding out where the hate is being preached will help towards eliminating the threat. 

[Tielemans63]

12 minutes ago, Dirkster the Fox said:

One option "amongst several" is to put into action this:

 

A) Phase one, temporary closure of any mosque/single faith school proven to either harbour or in any way be found promoting any form of radical hatred. A strong warning their communal environment needs to root out any radical views.

B) Phase two, indefinite closure if the same group of leaders, attendees continue to flounder the above first phase. 

 

If the Muslim community are really serious about what is going on, it will push the problem out of the mosques/schools and remove two forums for such views. The internet is clearly a huge area as well, but if every local mosque/faith schools rid itself of any potential radicalised views the chances of acceptance will reduce and not be able to manifest itself further. Islam's only chance here in the U.K. Is to rid, completely, any forum possible for such views. You will never be able to counter everything, but a real removal from these locations of radicalisation is a huge step in the right direction. It begs the question why we still need to say these things though, because be under no liberal lovey illusion, there is still plenty of radical views across mosques and single Muslim faith schools.

 

Of note, do you all remember under Blairs watch all those allowed to preach radical Islam hate on the street corners of our towns and cities. I remember being so sickened it was accepted by the then government as their right to hate, surpassed any impact it could have. The seeds for all this were planted years ago.

 

Simply put, Muslims are the only ones to root out the evil within in their religion. The ball is firmly in their court.

 

#endthelovehashtags

Good post. Agree with a lot this. I think radicalism within faith schools is a huge issue which is strangely overlooked when the issue is discussed publicly. When Michael Gove introduced the genius idea of unregulated free schools a lot of people pointed out that the whole concept was rife for exploitation by religious groups but they went ahead with them anyway. We're now seeing the inevitable consequences and no-one is doing anything about it.

[Buce]

48 minutes ago, Russell sprout said:

As Donald trump put it,

'stop letting muslims into our country till we know what is going on'

though we know what's going on,

now I await the 'your a racist' card to be brandished for daring to single out muslims,

i will say that I don't think all Muslim are terrorists,

but it fact all terrorists are muslim

 

Utter nonsense.

[Charl91]

2 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Dunno, ask the Japanese, they're making a fairly good job of it.

 

 

Are they? Because there's still 100,000+  Muslims that live in Japan, and there's nothing in Japanese law that forbids muslims or the practice of Islam. And muslims visit Japan on a regular basis. http://www.scmp.com/week-asia/society/article/2092664/why-are-so-many-muslims-suddenly-visiting-japan 

 

Unless, you are of course referring to that erroneous Facebook meme which spread around saying how Japan has all sorts of laws which stop Muslims/Islam, etc. In which case, important life lesson for you - don't believe everything you read on Facebook.

[Guest MattP]

2 minutes ago, Charl91 said:

 

Are they? Because there's still 100,000+  Muslims that live in Japan, and there's nothing in Japanese law that forbids muslims or the practice of Islam. And muslims visit Japan on a regular basis. http://www.scmp.com/week-asia/society/article/2092664/why-are-so-many-muslims-suddenly-visiting-japan 

 

Unless, you are of course referring to that erroneous Facebook meme which spread around saying how Japan has all sorts of laws which stop Muslims/Islam, etc. In which case, important life lesson for you - don't believe everything you read on Facebook.

Complete government surveillance on them all mind.

 

www.independent.co.uk/voices/muslims-japan-government-surveillance-im-not-surprised-islamophobia

[Charl91]

1 minute ago, MattP said:

Complete government surveillance on them all mind.

 

www.independent.co.uk/voices/muslims-japan-government-surveillance-im-not-surprised-islamophobia

 

And we're already the most surveilled country in the world, I believe. What are we going to do, increase our surveillance?

[whoareyaaa]

Concerns over our Brexit and what it could mean in the near future, along with a government that has no actual leaders and a mayor of the capital city stating that terrorism is 'part and parcel' of living in a major city... and more attacks breaching the security measures... I think its safe to say this country is currently standing on one leg

[GaelicFox]

Time to round up every jihadist on a watch list 

 

and send them to a remote island with NO way off and location unknown 

[yorkie1999]

9 minutes ago, Charl91 said:

 

Are they? Because there's still 100,000+  Muslims that live in Japan, and there's nothing in Japanese law that forbids muslims or the practice of Islam. And muslims visit Japan on a regular basis. http://www.scmp.com/week-asia/society/article/2092664/why-are-so-many-muslims-suddenly-visiting-japan 

 

Unless, you are of course referring to that erroneous Facebook meme which spread around saying how Japan has all sorts of laws which stop Muslims/Islam, etc. In which case, important life lesson for you - don't believe everything you read on Facebook.

Yes 100,000 from a population of 127 million. A very small minority of which the majority have settled there on a professional level. I'm only making a suggestion, one of many and without ideas of how to tackle the problem we're all fvcked. But what I can't work out is why you are so against it and very aggressive towards what I suggest, as in some why it attacks you personally

[The Doctor]

57 minutes ago, Russell sprout said:

 

but it fact all terrorists are muslim

That include the bloke in america who killed two men for confronting him for harassing Muslim women the other week?

 

Or if you're talking about terror cells, when did the eta disband?

 

Islamism needs to be tackled, but ignoring promotion of division from other parties does no good.

[Charl91]

4 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Yes 100,000 from a population of 127 million. A very small minority of which the majority are there on a professional level

 

So they've not banned it then, like you suggested. Which brings me back to your original point. How are you proposing this ban on Islam?

[tom27111]

Theresa May "If we need to make to make prison sentances for terrorist incidents longer, we will" 

 

Yeah, good call, that's a great deterant when they're prepared to die.

 

She also said that they won't win and we'll carry on as normal. 

 

Not when this is happening every couple of weeks.

 

 

[kingfox]

Almost identical to the Westminster attack, just that knives were actually used on the innocent public this time. About the same number of deaths as Westminster, it's horrible, disgusting and terrifying to see but like Westminster this could of been a whole lot worse.

 

No doubt these cvnts are known to authorities and are on the "watch" list. That's all well and good but at the end of the day their whereabouts aren't being tracked and in the end they go out and take innocent people's lives. No doubt they've travelled elsewhere prior to this attack. I don't feel sad this morning I feel fvcking angry, we just keep going round in a circle until another one happens, do the same things, say the same things, rinse and repeat. 

[Tuna]

59 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Remove the thousands of people on that "watch list" from our streets for starters. Don't care if they were born here, if they've linked to terrorist cells then they shouldn't be walking British streets. 

When you cut out cancer, you have to cut out healthy cells around it.

 

But the healthy cells may become cancerous, so you can't take chances.

 

Yes, get rid of them. They're known to the security services for a reason.

[whoareyaaa]

4 minutes ago, tom27111 said:

Theresa May "If we need to make to make prison sentances for terrorist incidents longer, we will" 

 

Yeah, good call, that's a great deterant when they're prepared to die.

 

She also said that they won't win and we'll carry on as normal. 

 

Not when this is happening every couple of weeks.

 

 

 

What do you expect from a woman in charge of a collapsing  weak government system.

[tom27111]

Just now, whoareyaaa said:

 

What do you expect from a woman in charge of a collapsing  weak government system.

Not a lot, but I'm fvcking terrified of the alternative. 

[Happy Fox]

Theresa May, has lost the plot, and Corbyn isnt fit for purpose either.

 

Can the Queen regain power?

[foxes_rule1978]

These people going to prison or even executed, isn't a punishment. Any person with terrorists connections need to be arrested and tortured everyday for their actions. Time to get hard now. 

[Charl91]

10 minutes ago, kingfox said:

I don't feel sad this morning I feel fvcking angry, we just keep going round in a circle until another one happens, do the same things, say the same things, rinse and repeat. 

 

I agree with you; I think we're all angry and frustrated about current events.  People feel helpless, because it seems as though there's nothing they can do, no action they can take to stop it. The problem is though, most people don't really know where to take out their anger and frustration. It would be nice to think that there's an easy way to stop this, or some kind of direction people could channel their anger at. Some sort of tangible enemy.

 

But people are taking out their anger on regular muslims, most of which who just want to go about their ordinary lives and get on with their day to day problems. People which have the same worries and problems as us, and are as pissed off about this as we are. Lashing out at these people won't solve the problem, and in their blind anger, this is what many people are failing to see. The only thing it can manage to do is make the problem worse. Picking up people off the street and torturing them?  Arresting people without sufficient evidence? That's not going to stop extremism, it's going to fuel it.

 

We need to try and stop extremism somehow, though I'm buggered if I can think of an easy solution. Maybe the Government will think of something. But all this talk of "banning Islam", or "killing everyone on a watch list" is not the answer. There is no black and white answer, and people need to try and accept that. Any solution that does come about will have to be in many shades of grey.

[yorkie1999]

Just now, foxes_rule1978 said:

These people going to prison or even executed, isn't a punishment. Any person with terrorists connections need to be arrested and tortured everyday for their actions. Time to get hard now. 

Chop their cocks off, that way the 24 virgins are not going to be of much interest to them

[Tielemans63]

Agree with the vast majority.  Time for the government to act and show some resolve.

 

Talk of not letting the terrorists win and all this bollocks means nothing without some action to back it up.

[Tielemans63]

4 minutes ago, foxes_rule1978 said:

These people going to prison or even executed, isn't a punishment. Any person with terrorists connections need to be arrested and tortured everyday for their actions. Time to get hard now. 

That's one weird fetish.