Incident at London Bridge

[SheppyFox]

No doubt the suspects were known to authorities but nothing was done because, well we wouldn't want to upset anyone. They probably just got back from Libya too, like before.

 

 We will light candles, we will have a minutes silence, then it will happen again. Absolutely abhorrent. Thoughts are with everyone affected.

[stripeyfox]

8 hours ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

Details seem a bit sketchy at the moment. Sky news seem to be a bit in the dark.

That is usually the cue for Kay Burley to announce that the entire city of London has been destroyed by aliens.....

 

[Guest Col city fan]

20 minutes ago, m4DD0gg said:

Yes but don't worry we won't let them win and we shall be strong.

Hmmmm. Starting to wear a bit thin this isn't it.

[SheppyFox]

5 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Hmmmm. Starting to wear a bit thin this isn't it.

It definitely is, something has to give.

[Vacamion]

 

What, exactly, are you guys proposing?

 

If it is locking people up for what they think, not what they have done, that doesn't sound  much like freedom or democracy to me and it's a slippery slope to political detainment.

 

But by all means tell us what you have in mind.

 

 

 

[ozleicester]

2 hours ago, Aus Fox said:

Is that 6 including the attackers? Or 6 innocent people?

6 innocents + 2 attackers.. i think

[stripeyfox]

Just now, ozleicester said:

6 innocents + 2 attackers.. i think

Sky saying 6 people dead in addition to three attackers. 

 

 

[Merging Cultures]

Awful news to wake up to.

It seems the police responded quickly. And well done to the guy who was fighting back.

[Tielemans63]

Reading in the Torygraph that as part of the Brexit process we are likely to lose our right to share information with Europol (we can re-apply but it might take 3 years) thus a European-wide terror watchlist wouldn't necessarily be shared with us or at least not in the same way it is now - we'd be relying almost solely on domestic intelligence services. That's a very scary thought in these already fractious and uncertain times.

 

On a side note, the article also mentions that we'd likely lose the right to share data within the Schengen information system which would also be very bad news for UK business. 

[SystonFox]

7 hours ago, steveherbe said:

Genuine answer mate, nothing I want to post here. But just imagine for one minute that this was in India/Pakistan, and it was the BNP or similar doing it. I suspect all British nationals in those countries would possibly be targeted. Early days, and quite emotional, and very angry. But I hate seeing my country fked about like this, with the official response being the usual stiff upper lip, carry on regardless mantra. We are at war, and the war has arrived on our shores, so its time to fight back. And if innocent people become victims, so be it. That may come over as uncaring, its not meant to be, but we have to defend our country, and if the enemy is within, we have to target them where we know they are. Sorry if this comes over as racist, its not meant to be, but we know who they are - not all Germans were bad in the 1940's. Dont lets fall out over this.

I don't want anyone to fall out I just see this response "let's take action" a lot but nobody ever actually states what they want to do

[Bellend Sebastian]

Just been reading some eye witness accounts. The chaos and confusion sounds terrifying enough without the horrific violence people have been subjected to.

 

The missus and I were in London last weekend, not far from where all this kicked off, and whilst this sort of thing was at the back of my mind and I tried to be vigilant, after a while you just sort of switch off and carry on as normal. Very sobering to know that people have been killed and injured doing exactly what we were doing only a few days ago.

 

I've always played the numbers game and thought that if something kicks off then that shouldn't stop you doing what you want to do. For example the day after 7/7 I went to a gig in London (a strange day, but glad I did), but after a series of successful (for want of a better word) terror attacks your sense of perspective and what you need to do to stay safe is bound to be skewed.

 

I know there's been talk of ISIS' shift in strategy to encouraging attacks in Europe of exactly the type seen last night and on Westminster Bridge, but bearing in mind these can be carried out with minimal planning and resources I'm wondering why this hasn't happened more than it has. I'm really clutching at straws here and just hope that the main reason is that, regardless of the number of 'jihadis' or whatever we want to call them living in our midst (and the media throws around all sorts of exciting numbers of how many of these there are) the numbers willing to commit these atrocities is mercifully low.

 

Here's hoping

 

 

[GaelicFox]

[Webbo]

I've not normally got a lot of time for the police but full respect to them today. While every one was running away from trouble they were running towards it.

 

These evil bastards can never win.

[foxfanazer]

At the end of the day something has got to give. How many more atrocities have to happen before we act?

 

And people will say 'so what are you suggesting' but my answer to that is there are people that are paid to make these decisions and plans. The current approach clearly isn't working and these attacks on our innocent people are becoming more and more frequent. This passive, stiff upper lip approach simply isn't going to work

 

 

[Livid]

I honestly don't know what the answer is. All I know is what we're currently doing isn't working. They don't need to make a bomb, just get hold of a van and a couple of kitchen knives, how do you stop that?

 

 

[stix]

There is some full on racism going on in this thread by a few posters. I find it disgusting and completely unnecessary. 

 

These recent attacks are a real tragedy made worse because it is on our doorstep more frequently now. But talk of 'tooling up' and taking matters into your own hands?! Neanderthal behaviour. You're as bad as the terrorists. They are inflicting the same pain on innocent people as you propose we do. 

 

We we will never stop this kind of terrorism. For every IS sympathiser that dies there are probably 10 more waiting in line. 

 

The only thing we can do is put more time and resources into preventing more attacks from happening and gathering all the intel we can on this terrorist organisation. 

 

Islamic state want you to retaliate, then you're doing their recruitment job for them. They use EXACTLY what you're proposing as fuel when recruiting sympathisers. 

 

 

[whoareyaaa]

Blame Tony Blair and the government for opening the flood gates for the last 10 years

[m4DD0gg]

4 minutes ago, stix said:

There is some full on racism going on in this thread by a few posters. I find it disgusting and completely unnecessary. 

 

These recent attacks are a real tragedy made worse because it is on our doorstep more frequently now. But talk of 'tooling up' and taking matters into your own hands?! Neanderthal behaviour. You're as bad as the terrorists. They are inflicting the same pain on innocent people as you propose we do. 

 

We we will never stop this kind of terrorism. For every IS sympathiser that dies there are probably 10 more waiting in line. 

 

The only thing we can do is put more time and resources into preventing more attacks from happening and gathering all the intel we can on this terrorist organisation. 

 

Islamic state want you to retaliate, then you're doing their recruitment job for them. They use EXACTLY what you're proposing as fuel when recruiting sympathisers. 

 

 

Bullshit.

 

Our country is under attack. What you want to do stand around and hand them sticks of liberal celery while they blow themselves up in front of you, taking away your freedom and hurting either yourself or loved ones?

 

I would love, just love to get my hands on one of these cnuts.

[stix]

2 minutes ago, m4DD0gg said:

Bullshit.

 

Our country is under attack. What you want to do stand around and hand them sticks of liberal celery while they blow themselves up in front of you, taking away your freedom and hurting either yourself or loved ones?

 

I would love, just love to get my hands on one of these cnuts.

 

So you're suggesting just rounding every Muslim up in the uk and what? Killing them? Deporting them? Because if that's not what you're suggesting then we are on the same page. If that is what you're suggesting then you're as bad as them. 

[Matt]

14 minutes ago, stix said:

There is some full on racism going on in this thread by a few posters. I find it disgusting and completely unnecessary. 

 

These recent attacks are a real tragedy made worse because it is on our doorstep more frequently now. But talk of 'tooling up' and taking matters into your own hands?! Neanderthal behaviour. You're as bad as the terrorists. They are inflicting the same pain on innocent people as you propose we do. 

 

We we will never stop this kind of terrorism. For every IS sympathiser that dies there are probably 10 more waiting in line. 

 

The only thing we can do is put more time and resources into preventing more attacks from happening and gathering all the intel we can on this terrorist organisation. 

 

Islamic state want you to retaliate, then you're doing their recruitment job for them. They use EXACTLY what you're proposing as fuel when recruiting sympathisers. 

 

 

 

We/They (The Security Services) are...then they do nothing...then something happens...then they make a statement saying "They were known to the Security Services"...and repeat.

 

I don't know what the answer is, I'm not educated enough and I don't claim to be, as someone else has said there are people paid to make these decisions and plans, but the fact almost everytime we hear that they were known to the security services, I know that is a massive failure.

 

I'm sure there are many blocked and foiled attacks, some we know about, some i'm sure we don't, which I am grateful and thank the security services for but all the attacks that do happen, the attackers are apparently known...do something about it!!

[Russell sprout]

My daughters meant to be going on a school trip to London this Wednesday till Thursday,

to see lion king in theatre and go Buckingham palace,after what happened in Manchester she said she doesn't want to go,she's only 10,but me and her mum have spent the last few weeks telling her not to worry about it,even chatting about it last night,having woke this morning and seen what has gone off,we have decided we are not going to send her,some will say your letting 'them' win,

but with terrorism being as it is we feel that  by sending her then she's in a position that we have control over,and couldn't live with ourselves if anything happened or if she even experienced something like last night or Manchester 

[stix]

2 minutes ago, Matt said:

 

We/They (The Security Services) are...then they do nothing...then something happens...then they make a statement saying "They were known to the Security Services"...and repeat.

 

I don't know what the answer is, I'm not educated enough and I don't claim to be, as someone else has said there are people paid to make these decisions and plans, but the fact almost everytime we hear that they were known to the security services, I know that is a massive failure.

 

Youre right. 

 

More needs to be done by the security services. They need to act on their intel ALOT quicker. 

 

My my post was more towards the morons who just want to go out 'paki-bashing' like it's the fvcking 80's all over again. 

[MC Prussian]

I feel sorry for all the people who had to witness this gruesome and heinous attack last night and my thoughts and prayers are with family and friends of the affected.

I salute the police force for acting swiftly.

 

Sadly, it's gotten to the point where as an innocent bystander, I'm no longer overly shocked or moved by such incidents.

 

What we must remember, however, is that we shan't let fear rule and fall into the complete lockdown mode. Because that is exactly what these immoral and cowardly *****s want.

If it indeed turns out they were Muslim and/or acting on behalf of ISIS, I'm deeply disappointed seeing them taking lives in a city or country where civilians have nothing to do with the war in the Near East. Take your anger and your disregard for humans back to where you belong.

 

I find it hard to propose a suitable solution for the issue of Islamic terror, but if you want to have a go at the root of the problem, educate people over there, stop the funding for ISIS and other extremists (Hello, Saudi Arabia!) and somehow manage to initiate a serious discussion about Islam within the Muslim community - let's not forget they've never had a Reformation period like we did, where Catholicism and the Bible were attacked on its moral foundations, leading to a split in Church, Renaissance, Enlightenment, etc..

[foxfanazer]

4 minutes ago, stix said:

 

So you're suggesting just rounding every Muslim up in the uk and what? Killing them? Deporting them? Because if that's not what you're suggesting then we are on the same page. If that is what you're suggesting then you're as bad as them. 

Yeah because that's definitely what he's suggesting. Idiot

[stix]

1 minute ago, foxfanazer said:

Yeah because that's definitely what he's suggesting. Idiot

 

Well he didn't really suggest anything