Adrien Silva - Terms Agreed

[Clever Fox]

10 minutes ago, enmac said:

I thought the same as you until I read this article which refers to an electronic device which records "exact timings." No idea what this device is. Does any one know?

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/sep/06/leicester-press-fifa-to-enable-adrien-silva-move-from-sporting-lisbon

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A good article, But it's the system that's flawed not the Clubs. While sending it to the FA why couldn't FiFa been copied in. Then they both would have got it at the same time.

As I've said previously, A simple single page form of intent from both Clubs should be enough, With the legalities to follow. With a hefty fine for any Club trying to back out.

[dedlock]

I raised this earlier in the thread. One poster helpfully posted a picture of a cuckoo clock! Others explained that there is a system that is,supposedly, foolproof,whereby all timings are synchronised. 

 

It it still leaves me questioning how foolproof such a system is. Itrequires input from at least 2 sources, England and Portugal,and receipt in a 3rd, Switzerland. To date I suspect all that has been reported is the clerical fact that the registration was recorded in Switzerland 14 seconds after the deadline. 

[Clever Fox]

4 minutes ago, dedlock said:

I raised this earlier in the thread. One poster helpfully posted a picture of a cuckoo clock! Others explained that there is a system that is,supposedly, foolproof,whereby all timings are synchronised. 

 

It it still leaves me questioning how foolproof such a system is. Itrequires input from at least 2 sources, England and Portugal,and receipt in a 3rd, Switzerland. To date I suspect all that has been reported is the clerical fact that the registration was recorded in Switzerland 14 seconds after the deadline. 

Isn't there a time difference between London and Switzerland ?. It might be small but never the less it's still a difference. 

[dedlock]

Just now, Clever Fox said:

Isn't there a time difference between London and Switzerland ?. It might be small but never the less it's still a difference. 

I suppose that should be reflected in the foolproof system! My point is there should be some margin for error and a measure of discretion allowed.

[enmac]

I raised this earlier in the thread. One poster helpfully posted a picture of a cuckoo clock! Others explained that there is a system that is,supposedly, foolproof,whereby all timings are synchronised. 
 
It it still leaves me questioning how foolproof such a system is. Itrequires input from at least 2 sources, England and Portugal,and receipt in a 3rd, Switzerland. To date I suspect all that has been reported is the clerical fact that the registration was recorded in Switzerland 14 seconds after the deadline. 

This doesn't explain everything, but it's a start. Does any one know about ITMS software?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3212646/FIFA-s-Mark-Goddard-explains-handle-deadline-day-rush-using-International-Transfer-Management-System.html

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[The Guvnor]

55 minutes ago, SCP4Ever said:

It wouldn't change anything. The transfer is complete, the problem is the player registration in the FA and the PL. And with the windows now closed, he cannot join any other club. Besides, if he plays for another club, he won't be allowed to play of Leicester come January, because he's already played for Sporting and you can only play for a maximum of 2 clubs per season.

 

The not training thing is weird, but considering he had an injury (broken rib), he would probably miss a few days anyway. If it's more than that, it's too strange.

So I read that a Portuguese lawyer has suggested that LCFC did not include that the transfer would only be complete once FIFA registration is complete (an oversight you would imagine) and something which should always be included when signing international players. So to prevent this ridiculous situation from happening again surely that should now be the standard from a legal point of view with the FA and FIFA ,no clearance no transfer, it would then be in the interest of all parties to complete everything in time or no deal. 

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

4 minutes ago, enmac said:

This doesn't explain everything, but it's a start. Does any one know about ITMS software?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3212646/FIFA-s-Mark-Goddard-explains-handle-deadline-day-rush-using-International-Transfer-Management-System.html

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Quote from that article says they are not interested in excuses as to why registrations werent made on time

[dedlock]

3 minutes ago, enmac said:

This doesn't explain everything, but it's a start. Does any one know about ITMS software?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3212646/FIFA-s-Mark-Goddard-explains-handle-deadline-day-rush-using-International-Transfer-Management-System.html

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Thanks,the article is a helpful explanation but as it states the system can go wrong! 14 seconds is minimal in the scheme of things,l hope for a proportionate,common sense outcome.

[brucey]

1 hour ago, Mullet1 said:

Well.............Drinkwater is injured with a calf problem 

seems like his real and/or imagined injuries are travelling down his leg a few weeks at a time... first his groin, then his thigh, now his calf... he'll catch Nacho's toe rot next

[enmac]

Thanks,the article is a helpful explanation but as it states the system can go wrong! 14 seconds is minimal in the scheme of things,l hope for a proportionate,common sense outcome.

Just found this article. The section re Bryan Ruiz doesn't make very optimistic.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/david-de-gea-transfer-fifa-6359887

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[SheppyFox]

DD is Delph.

[Clever Fox]

8 minutes ago, enmac said:

This doesn't explain everything, but it's a start. Does any one know about ITMS software?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3212646/FIFA-s-Mark-Goddard-explains-handle-deadline-day-rush-using-International-Transfer-Management-System.html

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Thanks, i hadn't read that article before. It seems like there's no way back but to suck it up and wait until January. If the date stamp is local time then that's it. But I'm sure the system could be improved upon.

Any system that creates division and uncertainty needs to be improved upon. It's easy for Fifa to sit in an ivory tower and blame everyone else but they need to do more. Everyone knows Contracts can be difficult to finalize especially with a tight deadline facing Clubs. That's why a simpler system needs to be developed. all that nonsense about everything having to be identical is Bullshit and amateurish from such a  big organization

Fifa only needs to know that the owning Club wishes to sell and the Buying Club wishes to buy. After that, the Contracts are between the Clubs and no concern of FiFA.

They can impose a deadline for Contracts to be finalized and the player Can't play for either Club in the meantime would seem fair. then, by all means, copy FIFA a copy of the Contract purely for records.

[Clever Fox]

3 minutes ago, brucey said:

seems like his real and/or imagined injuries are travelling down his leg a few weeks at a time... first his groin, then his thigh, now his calf... he'll catch Nacho's toe rot next

Best bit of business we've done since signing Kante. 35Million for a recurring sick note.

[Clever Fox]

Can't we go ahead and sign an unregistered player if we want to outside of the Window. ?

[enmac]

Thanks, i hadn't read that article before. It seems like there's no way back but to suck it up and wait until January. If the date stamp is local time then that's it. But I'm sure the system could be improved upon.
Any system that creates division and uncertainty needs to be improved upon. It's easy for Fifa to sit in an ivory tower and blame everyone else but they need to do more. Everyone knows Contracts can be difficult to finalize especially with a tight deadline facing Clubs. That's why a simpler system needs to be developed. all that nonsense about everything having to be identical is Bullshit and amateurish from such a  big organization
Fifa only needs to know that the owning Club wishes to sell and the Buying Club wishes to buy. After that, the Contracts are between the Clubs and no concern of FiFA.
They can impose a deadline for Contracts to be finalized and the player Can't play for either Club in the meantime would seem fair. then, by all means, copy FIFA a copy of the Contract purely for records.

Agreed.

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[SheppyFox]

We need to get him training at the very least, otherwise come January we'll be fielding this beast:

 

[turtmcfly]

9 minutes ago, SheppyFox said:

We need to get him training at the very least, otherwise come January we'll be fielding this beast:

 

 

Cue @chicagofox claiming that's Matty James...

 

[UniFox21]

15 minutes ago, SheppyFox said:

We need to get him training at the very least, otherwise come January we'll be fielding this beast:

 

You mean drinkwater sat on the Chelsea bench right?

[Snik-Snok]

1 hour ago, Clever Fox said:

A good article, But it's the system that's flawed not the Clubs. While sending it to the FA why couldn't FiFa been copied in. Then they both would have got it at the same time.

As I've said previously, A simple single page form of intent from both Clubs should be enough, With the legalities to follow. With a hefty fine for any Club trying to back out.

The FA and FIFA do get it at the same time.  All European clubs (and most clubs globally) HAVE to use the International TMS system when conducting international transfers, and all information is submitted solely through this system.  Once the submitted, the FA are notified and then people at the FA will themselves retrieve the information from this system.  All parties (FIFA, the football associations within FIFA, and the clubs within each football association) all use this one system.  All transactions are recorded using the clock within this system, which is displayed to the users (so they know exactly what time that have left, regardless of what time the clock on the office wall says).

[vanity]

7 hours ago, dpjfox said:

Have we actually officially appealed?. I thought we might just accept it, but if we have good enough evidece we might go for it

If i was a mediator i would find a solution that pleases/punishes

ie hefty fine, Silva can train with first team but only play competitive for Development squad until January

There is no chance we just accept it, not after that Nice case where the teams were admonished for failing to appeal.

[Jattdogg]

6 hours ago, Strokes said:

They'll probably update us, when there is an update.

Absolute quality post of the week.

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Jattdogg said:

Absolute quality post of the week.

Personally I don't think there are enough threads about this. 

[Clever Fox]

15 minutes ago, Snik-Snok said:

The FA and FIFA do get it at the same time.  All European clubs (and most clubs globally) HAVE to use the International TMS system when conducting international transfers, and all information is submitted solely through this system.  Once the submitted, the FA are notified and then people at the FA will themselves retrieve the information from this system.  All parties (FIFA, the football associations within FIFA, and the clubs within each football association) all use this one system.  All transactions are recorded using the clock within this system, which is displayed to the users (so they know exactly what time that have left, regardless of what time the clock on the office wall says).

Yes, that's pretty much what the Articles have said. But straight away I see a flaw in that midnight is at a different time in each country, so which country do you go by. Also, who sets the Clock?. 

Or is each clock set to local time, In which case some will gain and some will lose out by seconds and minutes. It all seems very amateurish with so much at stake for everybody. 

 

The very fact that these articles are appearing in newspapers leads me to believe that FIFA are trying to quell any challenge to its authority or system, as they are worried or unsure of the outcome of such a challenge.

[Long Eaton Fox]

Something must be going on behind the scenes otherwise a statement would have been announced one way or the other.

[chicagofox]

8 minutes ago, Long Eaton Fox said:

Something must be going on behind the scenes otherwise a statement would have been announced one way or the other.

I'm sure we're still working on it but my hopes of anything positive happening are dwindling.  Legally I'm sure they can't say anything till its finally resolved one way or another.